From my experience, Xenforo is much snappier than VB - at least it is on a few of the other sites I frequent.
That's good to know. Generally newer site designs are heavier on older hardware such as the PPC Macs I occasionally use to visit MR.
From my experience, Xenforo is much snappier than VB - at least it is on a few of the other sites I frequent.
That's good to know. Generally newer site designs are heavier on older hardware such as the PPC Macs I occasionally use to visit MR.
I dread all the forum uproar when they do change. People typically don't respond to change well.
It's rather a lot more than that. If that's all it was, there'd be no reason to spend so much time and effort changing over in the first place. The changes are pretty much all for the better, but yes, people who can't deal with change at all (and they exist) will complain about it.
--Eric
Well, really, it depends on a number of things.
People will handle change when a number of issues have been addressed and acknowledged:
Thus, they will accept change when, 1) the reasons for initiating it have been clearly explained to them, 2) they feel that they have been consulted and that their concerns have been taken into account, rather than having the changes unilaterally dumped on them, 3) their concerns are not belittled, and 4) the nature of the changes are clearly explained and flagged in advance so that they don't feel as though they are complete morons for not grasping what this is all about immediately.
Once those who seek to initiate change take the time and the trouble to engage with those who will be affected by the change, the number of negative responses and their intensity will be reduced.
What change seekers (in every walk of life) fail to see is that the onus of persuasion - the onus of making the case - is on them, not on the defenders of the status quo; there is no point in dismissing the concerns - or mindsets - of others, that won't win the battle of hearts and mind, because the default setting of most people is 'not change' - it is easier, less hassle, and besides, it is what they are used to. Change is - or can be - unsettling, and challenging.
Therefore, if you want change - any sort of change - (political, social, economic, technological) you must make the case for it, in a way that does not belittle those whose default setting is inertia or the status quo. Your arguments must be strong enough to either win them over, or render them indifferent to the status quo.
Change only becomes considered compelling and desirable and necessary when the status quo is dire, not when it is tolerably mediocre, and casually competent. In other words, the status quo must be pretty poor, to give people the motivation to seek change of there own volition, rather than being obliged to accept change.
Why do I feel like you've given this lesson many times over?
Actually, strange to relate, I haven't - not in quite those terms.
Oddly perhaps, mulling over possibly posting responses has sometimes made me see some things and think about them in a different way, and from a somewhat different perspective, and that is always an extraordinarily interesting thing to do, and one that I am grateful for being prompted into thinking about doing.
Now, I have thought about why people are naturally resistant to change from a political (or economic/social/cultural) perspective - I haven't had to think about it from a technological standpoint, but it is useful to ponder it, and to consider reasons why this might be so and ask whether it has equal validity.
Sometimes, posting on here allows me to clear up stuff I have been mulling over in a different context, or to clarify thoughts I have had in my mind.
It just struck me as a very relevant lesson to communicate in other contexts you may have been in. And I think it is very relevant in this one too.
Interesting thread, it's the first I hear about vB dying That's pretty depressing. I've got 1000's of hours on vB forums.
One way to look at it would be that Xenforo is the continuation of vB.
I like that it's the same people working on it but I'll always love the classic vB look & feel :-/
I'm one of those guys
vB as a platform is dying a slow death. Forums are dumping it left and right.I like that it's the same people working on it but I'll always love the classic vB look & feel :-/
I'm one of those guys
I've worked with some sophisticated enterprise applications and it does take a lot of work to implement something like this smoothly. …
I dread all the forum uproar when they do change. People typically don't respond to change well.
Moderators, please: will it be acceptable to link to answers/examples beyond the macrumors.com domain?
Google.
I would love better search for this site. I don't even use the forum search, I use site:forums.macrumors.com withe Google.
Unless there is an available plug-in …
Sorry about the delay. The design took the longest piece. So we got a version of that in late Feb. Then I've been traveling pretty much all of March. And into April.
earliest would be sometime in December, but there's a good chance it could get pushed into Jan/Feb or even later
A minor downside: I decided to cease up-voting months ago (probably early December 2014), with an optimistic assumption that the disappearance might occur before Christmas. Prior to that decision I voted very often.
I have no idea whether other people took a similar decision but I guess, there might have been a noticeable drop in positivity (up-voting) across the forum as a whole in recent months.
Most people on this forum don't even know about the impending switch, and those who do don't care and go about their posting and upvoting as normal. This is my guess
what is the relationship between the forum switch and upvoting?
I'm curious, what is the relationship between the forum switch and upvoting?