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NYU will not support FCPX, encourages students not to buy.

deannnnn

deannnnn

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I'm a rising Senior at NYU's Tisch School of the Arts majoring in Film & TV. I got an interesting e-mail tonight from the school's extensive Post Production Center saying that NYU will not be installing Final Cut Pro X on any of their workstations. In general, they keep Final Cut Pro and AVID Media Composer up-to-date on all systems, but are choosing not to add FCPX to the NYU Post environment and even go as far as encouraging students not to buy it.

As someone who is upset with the new FCP, I'm happy about the decision, but am interested in hearing other people's thoughts.

Here's the full e-mail:
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Not surprised since, if for no other reason, there has been no official word from Apple w/regards to how volume licensing will be handled, AFAIK.


Lethal
 
deannnnn said:
I'm a rising Senior at NYU's Tisch School of the Arts majoring in Film & TV. I got an interesting e-mail tonight from the school's extensive Post Production Center saying that NYU will not be installing Final Cut Pro X on any of their workstations. In general, they keep Final Cut Pro and AVID Media Composer up-to-date on all systems, but are choosing not to add FCPX to the NYU Post environment and even go as far as encouraging students not to buy it.

As someone who is upset with the new FCP, I'm happy about the decision, but am interested in hearing other people's thoughts.
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Apple is betting places like NYU Post Production Center won't exist in 15 years. I think they are right - technology is about to knock out yet another profession.

Even your major's name doesn't make sense... What is film? What is TV?

It's almost like there is no work left in the world except automating people's jobs away.
 
DisMyMac said:
Apple is betting places like NYU Post Production Center won't exist in 15 years. I think they are right - technology is about to knock out yet another profession.

Even your major's name doesn't make sense... What is film? What is TV?

It's almost like there is no work left in the world except automating people's jobs away.
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Well my major is Film & TV production. So even if people are watching movies on their cell phones and tv episodes on their computers, my future of creating new content isn't going anywhere.
 
deannnnn said:
Well my major is Film & TV production. So even if people are watching movies on their cell phones and tv episodes on their computers, my future of creating new content isn't going anywhere.
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Good answer. My major (just about 10 years ago) was Film and TV production. Despite the changes in the technology, the basic principles are never going to change.
 
DisMyMac said:
Apple is betting places like NYU Post Production Center won't exist in 15 years. I think they are right - technology is about to knock out yet another profession.

Even your major's name doesn't make sense... What is film? What is TV?

It's almost like there is no work left in the world except automating people's jobs away.
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Um, really?:confused:

That's like saying because we have word processing software no one will ever write again.

When AI gets to the point where machines are more creative, emotional and expressive than humans we'll have bigger things to be worried about than job security.:eek::D


Lethal
 
deannnnn said:
Well my major is Film & TV production. So even if people are watching movies on their cell phones and tv episodes on their computers, my future of creating new content isn't going anywhere.
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Indeed. There are only so many nitches that people like Ray William Johnson and Charlie the Unicorn can fill. The industry will still be an industry, and a huge one at that. It grows by the day. They will need people who understand the concepts of media production and are able to produce to professional standards. The concept of college film production programs dying in the near future is absurd. In fact, up until the recent recession, it was growing pretty fast at the high school level.
 
Sounds like they are not getting it this school year.

Looks like they will continue with FCP 6 and 7 for now.

The reason they tell students not to buy it is beacause it won't with schools computers.

No big deal.


I was going to the Art Institute when FCP first came out and, but they didn't start teaching it for a couple years later after I was finished school.

We just had old Avid Meridian systems and Premiere.
 
interesting... prob cause the prof. have no clue what to make of this new FCP and how to use it lol :p
OP, what area do you want to get into? (news, sports, shows)
 
puckhead193 said:
interesting... prob cause the prof. have no clue what to make of this new FCP and how to use it lol :p
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Please tell us how you import FCP7 projects in FCPX and how you export projects from FCPX to other programs.
 
interesting... prob cause the prof. have no clue what to make of this new FCP and how to use it lol
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Ummm... It's a lot more than that. I can't see any university film program adopting FCP X in its current state for a few reasons.

1. Academic licensing hasn't been thought out. So far, we have an App Store-only launch.

2. Apple has kept FCP X under so much secrecy during development that training materials are limited and scarce.

3. A lot of school editing labs have quite a bit of money invested in video hardware and network infrastructure, a lot of which either doesn't work with FCP X or probably never will.

4. Any good film program is going to feel inclined to teach with tools that are commonly used in the industry. This is why, for example, a lot of school editing labs have both FCP 7 and Avid workstations.
 
The way I see it there is good in FCPX that is being totally overlooked because all the focus is on what it is missing and not on what is there. Where Apple really stumbled here is in pulling FCP 7 from shelves the same date and no sign of continued support. If Apple had released FCPX and allowed it to grow and mature over 12 or 18 months while continuing to support FCP 7 until FCPX could really take the reigns I think people's attitudes would be much different. If nothing else it would have shown they care about their current pro user base enough to not just try and strong arm them into acceptance.
 
Blipp said:
The way I see it there is good in FCPX that is being totally overlooked because all the focus is on what it is missing and not on what is there. Where Apple really stumbled here is in pulling FCP 7 from shelves the same date and no sign of continued support. If Apple had released FCPX and allowed it to grow and mature over 12 or 18 months while continuing to support FCP 7 until FCPX could really take the reigns I think people's attitudes would be much different. If nothing else it would have shown they care about their current pro user base enough to not just try and strong arm them into acceptance.
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If we're lucky Apple will notice their massive error are subtly reintroduce FCP7 for sale, at least for volume license and academic institutions. Otherwise maybe my spare copy will be going on eBay for a lot more than its worth now in a few months.
 
puckhead193 said:
interesting... prob cause the prof. have no clue what to make of this new FCP and how to use it lol :p
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Given that it's been out for only a week, given that not even major hardware manufacturers have drivers ready, given that plug-in makers have - with one notable exception - been left in the dark, given that an XML pipeline is "on the way", given that it was only extensively used by a dozen or so beta testers prior to release, given that an API hasn't been published and given that lecturers in a Film and Television School teach more than how to use an NLE and have a pretty full academic year as it is without trying to troubleshoot a whole new architecture, I wouldn't be surprised if the teachers "have no clue".

Also, if you read the email, this was sent for the benefit of the students so they didn't start a project on FCP X and attempt to finish it in FCP 7 at school.
 
Pure practical reasons: you can't take your work home and continue working on it.

On the other hand: if you're learning FCP 7 now, you're learning software that's - no matter how you think about it - on its way out.

A very problematic approach by NYU. Do they really think Apple will stumble because they think the changes are "radical"?
 
Nostromo said:
Pure practical reasons: you can't take your work home and continue working on it.

On the other hand: if you're learning FCP 7 now, you're learning software that's - no matter how you think about it - on its way out.

A very problematic approach by NYU. Do they really think Apple will stumble because they think the changes are "radical"?
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Not at all. They, like most other universities will just keep using FCS for the near term, then migrate to Premiere or go with AVID. My university uses both AVID and FCS, so it's not a big issue for another year. When it's going to be the hardest is when it comes time to replace computers and hardware. If Apple doesn't have it together by then, so long Steve.
 
A very problematic approach by NYU. Do they really think Apple will stumble because they think the changes are "radical"?
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It's not a problematic approach at all. First of all, you would be assuming that their existing lab workstations meet the correct hardware requirements for a successful deployment. You would also be assuming that FCP X would provide a familiar user interface and some level of backward compatibility with older student FCP projects that are currently in progress (which it doesn't).

While I can agree that the foundations of FCP X will continue to be what Apple wants them to be, they are not going to attract the large accounts in masses until their software is truly ready for such deployment (e.g. putting vital features back). And if it's not, these customers are going to look elsewhere.
 
CaptainChunk said:
It's not a problematic approach at all. First of all, you would be assuming that their existing lab workstations meet the correct hardware requirements for a successful deployment. You would also be assuming that FCP X would provide a familiar user interface and some level of backward compatibility with older student FCP projects that are currently in progress (which it doesn't).

While I can agree that the foundations of FCP X will continue to be what Apple wants them to be, they are not going to attract the large accounts in masses until their software is truly ready for such deployment (e.g. putting vital features back). And if it's not, these customers are going to look elsewhere.
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Yes, the hardware requirements are quite steep.
 
Before I go any further, the following doesn't mean I'm saying FCPX is good or bad. Just replying to remarks concerning volume and education licensing. But, for the record... I'm not happy about FCPX either.

Apple has actually addressed volume and education licensing for FCPX. There's a copy of the document and a brief overview at macinit.org

Basically, businesses would buy a volume license set from the Apple online [web] store and educational users would buy licenses through the educational store (or your campus store). You'd still have to download FCPX via the App Store using a redemption code(s). Deployment involves extracting the DMG, chicken-versus-egg remote or at-desk App Store installs (assuming the App Store even works for your users as some businesses will have to lock it down). Not very slick. Not very Apple, IMHO.

It occurred to me last night at dinner that there was possibly a meeting where someone pointed out that a 'real' FCP download would be too big for the App Store and that sealed its fate... giving us "Final Cut Prosumer" instead... Small enough to not take forever to download, but not really 'pro' any more.
 
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