I'm not upgrading to ML without Siri

v2club · Feb 26, 2012, 03:32 PM

Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.

Carl Sagan · Feb 26, 2012, 03:41 PM

I think you're the first person to draw this as a red line...

Zcott · Feb 26, 2012, 04:10 PM

Can we quote you on this in a year's time?

v2club · Feb 26, 2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zcott

Can we quote you on this in a year's time?

Sure, but why wait for a year, the update will be out in 5-6 moths and there is no point to wait 6 month and then update, because in another 6 moths there will be a new OS, so if you gonna update, do it as soon as the OS is out...

The ML will be cheap (I guess it won't be more expensive than Lion, which was 22 quid here in the UK) so I'll be definitely tempted, but let us see what else the Apple team will come up with, so far I'm most impressed with the unified address bar and search bar in Safari (which I'm pretty sure will be available to all, without the need to upgrade) and Messages (which won't be available to Lion users, however it's not worth 22 pounds).

Bear · Feb 26, 2012, 05:56 PM

The feature list is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade.

We'll have to see what additional features get announced and what under the hood improvements there are.

For some people the push to upgrade to Lion and eventually Mountain Lion will be as software they use change to require those versions of OS X.

roadbloc · Feb 26, 2012, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v2club

Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.

Okay then. Don't upgrade.

KnightWRX · Feb 26, 2012, 06:48 PM

Siri is a worthless gimmick anyhow. Call me when it becomes actually efficient to use, rather than just doing it the manual way on the touch screen.

throAU · Feb 26, 2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear

The feature list is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade.

How about the feature: "runs much faster"?

Bear · Feb 26, 2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by throAU

How about the feature: "runs much faster"?

That would fall under "under the hood improvements". And much faster would be good.

*LTD* · Feb 26, 2012, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear

That would fall under "under the hood improvements". And much faster would be good.

Runs noticeably faster than Lion on an early 2008 15-inch MBP, 2.4Ghz, 6GB RAM. Things feel much smoother.

Tiptizzle · Feb 26, 2012, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v2club

Sure, but why wait for a year, the update will be out in 5-6 moths and there is no point to wait 6 month and then update, because in another 6 moths there will be a new OS, so if you gonna update, do it as soon as the OS is out...

Some people wait for a release to become more stable before upgrading.

pdjudd · Feb 26, 2012, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear

The feature list is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade.

That’s not a complete list though - that’s a list of feature that Apple chooses to highlight.

Böhme417 · Feb 26, 2012, 08:10 PM

How about we get Siri working reliably on my phone before we try and add it to the computers? I swear it's a 50/50 shot whether or not I get the "try again later" message.

pdjudd · Feb 26, 2012, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Böhme417

How about we get Siri working reliably on my phone before we try and add it to the computers?

It’s going to take a lot of work to get it working on computers too - people have been envisioning voice dictation with a computer for years. It never has worked too well.

jackrv · Feb 26, 2012, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear

That would fall under "under the hood improvements". And much faster would be good.

That alone is worth an upgrade to me. (Although I'd be much happier if it were a free update)

CodeBreaker · Feb 26, 2012, 11:13 PM

I would pay 29 to make Lion faster, with a few gimmicks.
But I won't mind paying 129 if they "fix" spaces and throw in Siri.

afin · Feb 27, 2012, 12:40 PM

Context: I know that when it came to the 10.7 we sort of knew all of the coming features from the get go and that was that.

Question: In anyone's opinion, is 10.8 seeming to follow the same trend?

Either way, I'm of the opinion that it's only thirty dollars for an improvement/polish of lion.

KnightWRX · Feb 27, 2012, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afin

Context: I know that when it came to the 10.7 we sort of knew all of the coming features from the get go and that was that.

Did we really ?

Don't mistake that list of "features" on Apple's site as a definitive list of everything there is. I bet there's a few features in Lion you still don't know about, 6 months later.

LiesForTheLiars · Feb 27, 2012, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightWRX

Did we really ?

Don't mistake that list of "features" on Apple's site as a definitive list of everything there is. I bet there's a few features in Lion you still don't know about, 6 months later.

I usually happen across new features by accident when I'm working.

iThinkergoiMac · Feb 27, 2012, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightWRX

Siri is a worthless gimmick anyhow. Call me when it becomes actually efficient to use, rather than just doing it the manual way on the touch screen.

What's your number? I want to inform you about how efficient Siri is in situations when using a touch screen would be impractical (or dangerous) but talking to your phone isn't (like when driving, for example).

alexreich · Feb 27, 2012, 07:00 PM

Siri isn't too great. I wouldn't use it if it was included in a OS X release. It seems to me like most people who bought a 4S got it for Siri, and they rarely use it. It's a cool toy, but it is no tool for working. It wouldn't increase workflow, and it's not even accurate most of the time. I don't see the big deal in typing your own sentences and working yourself....

No need for this voice control crap.

KnightWRX · Feb 27, 2012, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iThinkergoiMac

What's your number? I want to inform you about how efficient Siri is in situations when using a touch screen would be impractical (or dangerous) but talking to your phone isn't (like when driving, for example).

I think you should concentrate on driving instead of trying to dictate text messages or setting reminders, no matter the input mode you're using.

And frankly, the last thing I want to do is repeat myself 50 times when driving and trying to concentrate on the road.

"Siri, remind me to buy bread when we're near IGA"
"Sorry, I don't understand"
"Remind me to... BUY BREAD.. NEAR IGA".
"Sorry, I'm having difficulties right now".
"Scratch that"
"I don't understand"
"Nevermind"
"I don't understand, sorry"
"CANCEL"
"OK".

Geez.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alexreich

It seems to me like most people who bought a 4S got it for Siri,

I bought a 4S for the A5 and SGX543MP2.

Kariya · Feb 27, 2012, 08:07 PM

Okay.

Siri is highly unlikely to debut in ML...its not even out of beta on iOS.

throAU · Feb 27, 2012, 08:24 PM

Now, i don't see it as being a deal breaker if there is no siri, but i reckon it is ideal for those background things that distract you from your work.

eg:

Copying files - you get to a file it needs to know whether to over-write. The mac doesn't pop the window up, just says "do you want me to over-write xxx file?" and you answer "yes" or "no".

Need to spell/grammar check something? Ask siri.

Need to be reminded to come back to something? Tell siri. Eg "remind me to come back to this document tomorrow" or "remind me that I need to send this off by 4pm today!"

I reckon there's far more benefit to siri on the mac, than on the iphone, because the mac is a multi-tasking device with a lot more going on.

jackc · Feb 27, 2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by throAU

Copying files - you get to a file it needs to know whether to over-write. The mac doesn't pop the window up, just says "do you want me to over-write xxx file?" and you answer "yes" or "no".

Need to spell/grammar check something? Ask siri.

Need to be reminded to come back to something? Tell siri. Eg "remind me to come back to this document tomorrow" or "remind me that I need to send this off by 4pm today!"

Great idea, I suspect it's not ready for 10.8 but will come after that

Feb 26, 2012, 03:32 PM	#1
v2club macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2011	I'm not upgrading to ML without Siri Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.
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Feb 26, 2012, 03:41 PM	#2
Carl Sagan macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2011	I think you're the first person to draw this as a red line... __________________ 13" MacBook Pro [2010] \| iPhone 4S [64gb, black] \| iPhone 3GS [32gb, black] \| iPod classic [40gb, 4th gen] \| iPod mini [4gb, silver]
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Feb 26, 2012, 05:56 PM	#5
Bear macrumors 603 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sol III - Terra	The feature list is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade. We'll have to see what additional features get announced and what under the hood improvements there are. For some people the push to upgrade to Lion and eventually Mountain Lion will be as software they use change to require those versions of OS X. __________________ -----Bear
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Feb 26, 2012, 06:48 PM	#7
KnightWRX macrumors Pentium Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Quebec, Canada	Siri is a worthless gimmick anyhow. Call me when it becomes actually efficient to use, rather than just doing it the manual way on the touch screen. __________________ "What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others." -- Pericles
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CodeBreaker macrumors 6502 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sea of Tranquility	I would pay 29 to make Lion faster, with a few gimmicks. But I won't mind paying 129 if they "fix" spaces and throw in Siri. __________________ .
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Feb 26, 2012, 04:10 PM	#3
Zcott macrumors 68000 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Belfast, Ireland	Can we quote you on this in a year's time?
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Feb 26, 2012, 08:10 PM	#13
Böhme417 macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2009	How about we get Siri working reliably on my phone before we try and add it to the computers? I swear it's a 50/50 shot whether or not I get the "try again later" message.
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Feb 27, 2012, 12:40 PM	#17
afin macrumors member Join Date: Feb 2012	Context: I know that when it came to the 10.7 we sort of knew all of the coming features from the get go and that was that. Question: In anyone's opinion, is 10.8 seeming to follow the same trend? Either way, I'm of the opinion that it's only thirty dollars for an improvement/polish of lion. __________________ MacBook Pro (2010), 2.4 GHz, 8GB RAM, 128GB OCZ Vertex II SSD Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, 8GB Flash
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Feb 27, 2012, 07:00 PM	#21
alexreich macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2011	Siri isn't too great. I wouldn't use it if it was included in a OS X release. It seems to me like most people who bought a 4S got it for Siri, and they rarely use it. It's a cool toy, but it is no tool for working. It wouldn't increase workflow, and it's not even accurate most of the time. I don't see the big deal in typing your own sentences and working yourself.... No need for this voice control crap. __________________ Core i5 2500k@4.4GHz/12GB RAM/160GB+1.5TB HDDs/HD 7770 1GB GFX x2/Windows 8
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Feb 27, 2012, 08:07 PM	#23
Kariya macrumors 6502 Join Date: Nov 2010	Okay. Siri is highly unlikely to debut in ML...its not even out of beta on iOS.
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Feb 27, 2012, 08:24 PM	#24
throAU macrumors 68020 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia	Now, i don't see it as being a deal breaker if there is no siri, but i reckon it is ideal for those background things that distract you from your work. eg: Copying files - you get to a file it needs to know whether to over-write. The mac doesn't pop the window up, just says "do you want me to over-write xxx file?" and you answer "yes" or "no". Need to spell/grammar check something? Ask siri. Need to be reminded to come back to something? Tell siri. Eg "remind me to come back to this document tomorrow" or "remind me that I need to send this off by 4pm today!" I reckon there's far more benefit to siri on the mac, than on the iphone, because the mac is a multi-tasking device with a lot more going on. __________________ MBP (early 2011) - Core i7 2720 2.2ghz, Hires Glossy, 16GB, Seagate Momentus XT 750GB Mac Mini (mid 2007) - Core2 Duo 1.8, 2gb, 320gb 7200 rpm iPhone 4S, iPad 4
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