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Old Feb 27, 2015, 03:03 AM   #1
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please Help me with Finder Icon view and file selection

after few months with Mac I still dont find it intuitive....

1- why it is impossible to SHIFT CLICK multiple pics when I am in ICON VIEW???? i can do it in List view, but not in icon view...i read it might have changed with Maverick

2- I need to SEE ALL the pics I have in a folder (like ICON view) but at the same time I need to see (AT THE SAME TIME) the structure of the folders where I am going to paste the selected pics. Like in the banal and dull Windows file explorer, where on the left pane you see the folder tree with all subfolders and on the right pane you can see the icon, as big as you want, with no horizontal scroll (this is a different thread)
can you do this with mac? or should I install a different software? only solution i found is to open two different Finder windows (but it's still a pain as I cant use Shift Click)

thanks in advance
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 11:58 AM   #2
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1 - Can't say. I can do that, but I'm running Snow Leopard. You can also "box in" the ones you want if they are in a rectangular block (by position) in the window.

2- Two windows is the Mac way, always has been. Newbies don't like it. Old timers like me don't see why it's a big deal. Spring loaded folders is as close as you'll get to the Windows way.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 12:22 PM   #3
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1 - Can't say. I can do that, but I'm running Snow Leopard. You can also "box in" the ones you want if they are in a rectangular block (by position) in the window.

2- Two windows is the Mac way, always has been. Newbies don't like it. Old timers like me don't see why it's a big deal. Spring loaded folders is as close as you'll get to the Windows way.
the problem I have with the two windows is that it doesnt allow you to browse in Icon view between different folders. You can use the two windows to copy or paste, but what should I do if I am browsing the pics in folder 1, and want to see the pics within subfolder 1.4.3?
WIndows allows you to do this, you have all foders in the left, just one click and you see what is inside. I dont think this is possible with the gorgeous mac
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 12:35 PM   #4
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2- Two windows is the Mac way, always has been. Newbies don't like it. Old timers like me don't see why it's a big deal. Spring loaded folders is as close as you'll get to the Windows way.
spring loaded folders dont have anything practical besides the eye pleasant feature. You need to see a folder BEFORE moving stuff around, I dont remember by heart all the subfolders.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 12:53 PM   #5
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after few months with Mac I still dont find it intuitive....
That's not that unusual. You've developed a workflow on a different system, and now you are trying to make a system do what you want when it doesn't support that workflow. If you had started on the Mac and developed the workflow there, it's likely that you'd have trouble in Windows instead. So you have a couple options, keep using the same workflow and use something that supports it (a file browser on the Mac, or back to Windows); or you can try different workflows that may do what you want, but change the way you do it.

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1- why it is impossible to SHIFT CLICK multiple pics when I am in ICON VIEW???? i can do it in List view, but not in icon view...i read it might have changed with Maverick
I don't know if anyone knows the real reason why, but I understand that it can be confusing because the icons are free form in the window (they can be placed anywhere). So selecting a "range" can be ambiguous. I've seen that happen in older versions and in Windows as well, where something off the side of the window out of view might not get selected.

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the problem I have with the two windows is that it doesnt allow you to browse in Icon view between different folders. You can use the two windows to copy or paste, but what should I do if I am browsing the pics in folder 1, and want to see the pics within subfolder 1.4.3?
WIndows allows you to do this, you have all foders in the left, just one click and you see what is inside. I dont think this is possible with the gorgeous mac
I presume Columns mode isn't suitable for you, especially since the File icons are only shown small (you've tried using the larger icons in List view, right?).

You can try this. First of all, you need to be using a version of the OS that supports tabs in Finder windows. Make sure that is activated. Open a window in the top view of your file hierarchy, set it to list view. You can expand the whole folder list if you'd like by going up a folder (⌘-click the folder in the title bar then select one level up), then option-click the expand folder arrow to the left of the folder. This will show you all the folders AND all the files; if you don't want to see files, there will be some setup and tricks to do that too. To browse a particular folder in icon view, right-click the folder you want and "Open in New Tab". The contents will open in a new tab, if it's not in Icon view, change to Icons. If you want to move some files to another folder, select the files, drag them over to the tab with your folder hierarchy and hover until it opens (Spring loaded folders as suggest earlier), scroll to the folder and drop them there. Close the tab, then move to your next folder.

Or install other software to do it that is a file manager more to your liking.

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spring loaded folders dont have anything practical besides the eye pleasant feature. You need to see a folder BEFORE moving stuff around, I dont remember by heart all the subfolders.
I think you might not understand the abilities of Spring Loaded folders. You can drag your payload of files all around your hard disk until you find what you're looking for, and then drop them there.

One last suggestion, you can just add Windows using Parallels or Fusion, and with the proper settings then use the real Windows Explorer on your Mac Documents directory.
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Old Mar 1, 2015, 07:18 AM   #6
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the problem I have with the two windows is that it doesnt allow you to browse in Icon view between different folders. You can use the two windows to copy or paste, but what should I do if I am browsing the pics in folder 1, and want to see the pics within subfolder 1.4.3?
WIndows allows you to do this, you have all foders in the left, just one click and you see what is inside. I dont think this is possible with the gorgeous mac
Oh but it is! Using Column View will enable a similar if not exactly the same behavior you describe.
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Old Mar 1, 2015, 12:30 PM   #7
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Oh but it is! Using Column View will enable a similar if not exactly the same behavior you describe.
It's not exactly, as you can only see one item's large icon at a time (or multiples in small icons). And even the "large" size of small icons is pretty small.
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Old Mar 2, 2015, 04:54 AM   #8
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something off the side of the window out of view might not get selected.
that's the reason I think the horizontal scroll it's a worst idea ever, in windows there is no horizontal scroll. I understand that there are 2 different workflows, but i simply do not see WHY mac developer added the horizontal scroll. We are talking about the most basic activity you can do with a computer/mac, browsing and moving your files. There are not so many workflows, there are simply RIGHT or WRONG ways of doing something which has to be intuitive and easy

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I think you might not understand the abilities of Spring Loaded folders. You can drag your payload of files all around your hard disk until you find what you're looking for, and then drop them there.
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why this should this be something cool or nice to have??? i can simply COPY my "payload of files", answer the phone, drink some water, go to the restroom, and then come back, find and select the destination subfolder and then PASTE there.
There is no need to DRAG AROUND pressing multiple keys at the same time, and being unable to take a 2-second rest with your hands
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Old Mar 2, 2015, 10:24 AM   #9
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that's the reason I think the horizontal scroll it's a worst idea ever, in windows there is no horizontal scroll. I understand that there are 2 different workflows, but i simply do not see WHY mac developer added the horizontal scroll. We are talking about the most basic activity you can do with a computer/mac, browsing and moving your files. There are not so many workflows, there are simply RIGHT or WRONG ways of doing something which has to be intuitive and easy
It seems you believe the way you do things is the only "correct" way, when several people tell you they have an opinion that it's not. That should tell you that your belief is an opinion and NOT the "only" way. Even if you wanted to think that, you should probably keep your thoughts to yourself if you're trying to get help. Actually it doesn't even look like you're trying to get help. You're just complaining, and you're not even appreciative of any suggestions.

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why this should this be something cool or nice to have??? i can simply COPY my "payload of files", answer the phone, drink some water, go to the restroom, and then come back, find and select the destination subfolder and then PASTE there.
There is no need to DRAG AROUND pressing multiple keys at the same time, and being unable to take a 2-second rest with your hands
Apparently many people use spring loaded folders and appreciate it... if you don't understand, it looks like you made the mistake of purchasing the wrong system. Maybe next time you can better evaluate a system that works exactly as you expect.

Too bad you're not looking for help, because the copy/paste method works on the Mac. And with drag lock set, you can take as many days rest as your hands need without dropping your files. But, you don't need to know those things, since you can't seem to see other points of view or bother learning to use your system in a productive way, you just complain.
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Old Mar 2, 2015, 11:09 AM   #10
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Even if you wanted to think that, you should probably keep your thoughts to yourself if you're trying to get help. Actually it doesn't even look like you're trying to get help. You're just complaining, and you're not even appreciative of any suggestions.
my apologies for coming out like this. It was not my intention, but I understand your point. At the same time though, my reaction stems from what I noticed on mac users and mac forums: people do everything to make you thing that mac world is the best, or at least on Mac you can do something else you do NOT need...
For example, going back on topic: there is no SHIFT+CLICK, and it would be much more honest to admit that Mac is stupid for not allowing you to do it. This is (at least for me) a clear example of where Win is superior. But no mac user will ever admit it.

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Apparently many people use spring loaded folders and appreciate it...

Too bad you're not looking for help, because the copy/paste method works on the Mac. And with drag lock set, you can take as many days rest as your hands need without dropping your files. But, you don't need to know those things, since you can't seem to see other points of view or bother learning to use your system in a productive way, you just complain.
Obviously I didnt know about the drag lock, thanks.
At the same time though I do not see why spring loaded folders are so cool. How do you use them? i really do not understand.
And if i have to paste something, i guess i want to see where i have to paste it, not start to look around for my final destination.

And the only reason I chose Mac is because everywhere I read it was the most intuitive in the world, which is clearly not.

but again, my apologies for coming out rude
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