phones: Android takes 90 percent smartphone share in China in q3

[bobenhaus]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575...n-china-in-q3/

[kdarling]

A side observation: the difference in iPhone sales between China and India is striking:

China - 2,500,000 iPhones per quarter
India - .... 50,000 iPhones per quarter

China sales are fifty times India sales, even though they both have about 1 billion cell subscribers, give or take a hundred million.

[digital.l0gic]

Originally Posted by kdarling

A side observation: the difference in iPhone sales between China and India is striking:

China - 2,500,000 iPhones per quarter
India - .... 50,000 iPhones per quarter

China sales are fifty times India sales, even though they both have about 1 billion cell subscribers, give or take a hundred million.

Yep.

Most of my Indians friends mention that the Iphone is priced insanely high in India, compared to Android phones like the Galaxy S3.

The Android Market in India is booming. Everyone is looking for a GS3 (or similar android phone). The customer demand there seems to be driven by Features(and price/performance) instead of looks.

[michaeljohn]

"The issue for Apple in China is that its iPhone tends to be far more expensive than many Android-based devices. In fact, as Tech In Asia points out, the iPhone's average cost is 3.25 times higher than that of the average Android smartphone."

There is your reason right there. Not to mention Android phones in these countries are usually given away free like candy when signing up for service and tons of BOGO offers.

[bobenhaus]

Originally Posted by michaeljohn

"The issue for Apple in China is that its iPhone tends to be far more expensive than many Android-based devices. In fact, as Tech In Asia points out, the iPhone's average cost is 3.25 times higher than that of the average Android smartphone."

There is your reason right there. Not to mention Android phones in these countries are usually given away free like candy when signing up for service and tons of BOGO offers.

Its because people in China know the value of a dollar.

[michaeljohn]

Originally Posted by bobenhaus

Its because people in China know the value of a dollar.

Honda Accords outsell the Mercedes S65 too, shocking! People like cheap. Thats why Windows sell more than Apple computers too.

[kdarling]

Originally Posted by michaeljohn

There is your reason right there.

Yep. No need to go further. Price for features is most of it.

Not to mention Android phones in these countries are usually given away free like candy when signing up for service and tons of BOGO offers.

You're thinking of places like the US, the UK, Japan where people can sign longterm contracts. Interestingly, those people tend to get higher end models because it costs comparatively little to do so.

China and India are made up of mostly non-contract users, who don't get free phones, much less BOGO deals.

[digital.l0gic]

Originally Posted by michaeljohn

Honda Accords outsell the Mercedes S65 too, shocking! People like cheap. Thats why Windows sell more than Apple computers too.

Ironically a 1000$ Windows gaming laptop will slaughter a much more Expensive Mac. People like price/performance. When was the last time people prided themselves in paying more at the pump?

[dalbir4444]

Originally Posted by michaeljohn

Honda Accords outsell the Mercedes S65 too, shocking! People like cheap. Thats why Windows sell more than Apple computers too.

Well the Galaxy S3 outsold the iPhone 4S and any other cheap smartphone, so your statement doesn't really hold.

[Oletros]

Originally Posted by michaeljohn

Honda Accords outsell the Mercedes S65 too, shocking! People like cheap. Thats why Windows sell more than Apple computers too.

Now it is clear what you're doing on this subforum

[Stropaganda]

Does this have anything to do with the horrible PR Apple must get in China thanks to the treatment of workers at the Foxconn factory?

[nuckinfutz]

Originally Posted by dalbir4444

Well the Galaxy S3 outsold the iPhone 4S and any other cheap smartphone, so your statement doesn't really hold.

Proof please.

Samsung doesn't announce numbers of phones sold to actual consumers.

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Originally Posted by Stropaganda

Does this have anything to do with the horrible PR Apple must get in China thanks to the treatment of workers at the Foxconn factory?

That's China's issue not Apple.

[dalbir4444]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Proof please.

Samsung doesn't announce numbers of phones sold to actual consumers.

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That's China's issue not Apple.

OK. It outshipped the iPhone 4S.

[kdarling]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Samsung doesn't announce numbers of phones sold to actual consumers.

Neither does Apple.

In neither company's case would retailers keep buying phones they're not eventually selling to end users.

We've been over this many times.

[TheHateMachine]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Proof please.

Samsung doesn't announce numbers of phones sold to actual consumers.

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That's China's issue not Apple.

Lets try to use some logic here, if Samsung is just shipping phones and not actually selling them then why do retailers and carriers keep ordering more and Samsung posts record profits last quarter that were nearly on pair with Apples profits?

[nuckinfutz]

Originally Posted by dalbir4444

OK. It outshipped the iPhone 4S.

Warehouses rejoice!

Originally Posted by kdarling

Neither does Apple.

In neither company's case would retailers keep buying phones they're not eventually selling to end users.

We've been over this many times.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012...hree-Days.html

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012...e-Million.html

These aren't numbers sold to Best Buy, Carriers et al

Originally Posted by TheHateMachine

Lets try to use some logic here, if Samsung is just shipping phones and not actually selling them then why do retailers and carriers keep ordering more and Samsung posts record profits last quarter that were nearly on pair with Apples profits?

Look at the numbers again. Samsung is not a US company so they don't have the same SEC guidelines to follow in reporting.

[dalbir4444]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Warehouses rejoice!



http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012...hree-Days.html

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012...e-Million.html

These aren't numbers sold to Best Buy, Carriers et al



Look at the numbers again. Samsung is not a US company so they don't have the same SEC guidelines to follow in reporting.

I'm sure all the phones are just being stacked in warehouses. Surely carriers don't actually sell them. /s

And those link are for initial sales. Has Apple released the total number of iPhone 4S's they've sold.

Is it that hard to believe that the Galaxy S3 can outsell the 4S?

[lazard]

Originally Posted by michaeljohn

"The issue for Apple in China is that its iPhone tends to be far more expensive than many Android-based devices. In fact, as Tech In Asia points out, the iPhone's average cost is 3.25 times higher than that of the average Android smartphone."

There is your reason right there. Not to mention Android phones in these countries are usually given away free like candy when signing up for service and tons of BOGO offers.

Unlike the US, the Chinese market don't sign up for 2 year service and get a free/subsidized phone because it's cheaper and more flexible to just buy the phone outright and have your pick amongst the dozens of companies that offer cheaper service.

[thekev]

Originally Posted by kdarling

Neither does Apple.

In neither company's case would retailers keep buying phones they're not eventually selling to end users.

We've been over this many times.

Take a look at Appleinsider. They seem to believe that 90% of non - iphone purchases are immediately returned or beaten with a hammer. Some might go unsold among the less popular models. Do you know if Samsung buys back unsold phones?

[digital.l0gic]

Originally Posted by thekev

Take a look at Appleinsider. They seem to believe that 90% of non - iphone purchases are immediately returned or beaten with a hammer. Some might go unsold among the less popular models. Do you know if Samsung buys back unsold phones?

AppleInsider looks more and more like some Teaparty blog/Fox News :P

[dalbir4444]

Originally Posted by thekev

Take a look at Appleinsider. They seem to believe that 90% of non - iphone purchases are immediately returned or beaten with a hammer. Some might go unsold among the less popular models. Do you know if Samsung buys back unsold phones?

You could just post the link.

[thekev]

Originally Posted by dalbir4444

You could just post the link.

Sorry I meant that more in a figurative sense. I didn't mean to literally send people to another apple forum. It's just a very biased site. I find some of the comparisons between phones and other electronics to be interesting. The comment regarding shipments just reminded me of it.

[dalbir4444]

Originally Posted by thekev

Sorry I meant that more in a figurative sense. I didn't mean to literally send people to another apple forum. It's just a very biased site. I find some of the comparisons between phones and other electronics to be interesting. The comment regarding shipments just reminded me of it.

No worries My sarcasm detector needs some fixing.

[kdarling]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

iPhone-5-First-Weekend-Sales-Top-Five-Million

These aren't numbers sold to Best Buy, Carriers et al

Actually, YES those numbers include sales to retailers and carriers. In fact, that's why so many analysts were disappointed. With two more country markets included in the opening weekend than last year, they had expected far better sales.

For example, among others, ISI Group's Brian Marshall noted: "Clarification - recall the 5mil+ iPhone 5 reported sales only takes into consideration: 1) what was sold into partners (e.g., retail outlets, carriers, etc.), 2) sold in AAPL retail stores, and 3) direct to customers only if they signed for the device."

What confuses people, is that Apple also reports presale numbers, which are a totally different thing. Many of those are not actually delivered to end users on the opening weekend, and are thus NOT included in Apple's sales numbers. Apple does not report direct end user sales until delivery.

Look at the numbers again. Samsung is not a US company so they don't have the same SEC guidelines to follow in reporting.

They still have to publish their methods. Samsung is actually a bit later than Apple in recognizing revenue. Apple does it the moment a unit ships to a retailer. Samsung does it when it arrives:

"Sales of products and merchandise are recognized upon delivery when the significant risks and rewards of ownership of goods have transferred to the buyer, continuing managerial involvement usually associated with ownership and effective control have ceased, the amount of revenue can be measured reliably, it is probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the Company and the costs incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably. The Company records reductions to revenue for special pricing arrangements, price protection and other volume based discounts. If product sales are subject to customer acceptance, revenue is not recognized until customer acceptance occurs." - Samsung annual report