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New MBP Late 2013 13" - Constant Ping spikes to router - Is this normal?

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frostrambler

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Bought a new 13" MBP Retina yesterday, amazing machine, beautiful. However while troubleshooting an unrelated network problem, I noticed that when I run the network utility and ping my router (Apple Airport Extreme - previous Generation) I have huge lag spikes when pinging it.

It may go under 1 ms for one ping, then skyrocket to 200ms on the next, then go to 80, 30, etc, back and forth. However if I use the network while running the ping test, they seem to normalize at <3ms. I ran a speedtest and got my full throughput (118 megabit down, 30 megabit up - Optimum Ultra)

Is this normal? My Late 2011 iMac doesn't do this on wifi, it gets <1ms pings to the router.

I read up on this and found some old threads from a year ago where people mentioned it may have to do with apple drivers and turning off the network card rapidly to save power, thus causing latency on these tests but not affecting "real-world" performance. Is this true? Anyone else with a new MBP have the same issue? I don't want to have to trek all the way back to the Apple store for a diagnosis if this is normal.
 
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If you're not dealing with any sort of network performance problems, I'd not worry about it. Maybe it is a problem with ping, but if you're not experiencing any issues then its not a problem with actual usage.
 
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frostrambler

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Well I noticed some pages had delays in loading, so it may still be, I'm just curious if anyone else has heard of this or had this.
 
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If anyone reading this has a new retina MBP that just came out with Haswell, or a Haswell MBA, could you just open network utility and ping your internal router IP while not doing anything else on the computer (networking wise)? Do your pings also wildly fluctuate or are they normal? (Like 80-250ms)

I'd like to know if others have this problem.
 
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frostrambler

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Bruno09 said:
The first thing to do is to change the wifi channel.

Did you try this ?
Click to expand...

I'll try it when I get home, but like I said, I tried it on a second router at a neighbors home, I had the same symptoms. I also ran the test on my iMac from 2010 connected via wifi to my router, no problems. Its something with the laptop.


edit: Here is the thread https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1111925/

This talks about pretty much the same issue I am experiencing it, they say its apparently normal. Is anyone else experiencing this?
 
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frostrambler

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I guess I may be the only one consistently getting this, so I made an appointment for Saturday to possibly exchange it at the apple store.

However, if anyone here DOES have the new late 2013 rMBP or even the mid-2013 MBA with Haswell, could you please open network utility and run the ping test on your local router? If its really software and is part of some sort of battery saving thing, everyone should have it, but if its a hardware fault, then it would be only me. I tested it on an Airport Extreme from the last generation and on an older linksys, exact same symptoms. Initial webpage loads seem slow sometimes, but I'm wondering if thats just me imagining it, or these pings are actually causing it.

To be quite honest from a logical standpoint, the pings become normal when the network is being utilized, so I feel its some aggressive power saving, but someone else with a new MBP or MBA can definitely put my doubts to rest quickly. Help!
 
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Here is my log:

64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=144 ttl=255 time=3.353 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=145 ttl=255 time=3.990 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=146 ttl=255 time=3.725 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=147 ttl=255 time=1.946 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=148 ttl=255 time=3.222 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=149 ttl=255 time=2.957 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=150 ttl=255 time=2.663 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=151 ttl=255 time=1.798 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=152 ttl=255 time=3.498 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=153 ttl=255 time=1.411 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=154 ttl=255 time=2.696 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=155 ttl=255 time=1.490 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=156 ttl=255 time=2.070 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=157 ttl=255 time=1.862 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=158 ttl=255 time=3.479 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=159 ttl=255 time=2.788 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=160 ttl=255 time=3.227 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=161 ttl=255 time=3.561 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=162 ttl=255 time=0.734 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=163 ttl=255 time=0.736 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=164 ttl=255 time=0.883 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=165 ttl=255 time=1.122 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=166 ttl=255 time=1.075 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=167 ttl=255 time=1.173 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=168 ttl=255 time=0.835 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=169 ttl=255 time=84.051 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=170 ttl=255 time=110.007 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=171 ttl=255 time=98.541 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=172 ttl=255 time=19.060 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=173 ttl=255 time=187.781 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=174 ttl=255 time=167.606 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=175 ttl=255 time=88.365 ms




I started this log as I was downloading a large file, you can see the MS is between 0 and 4 consistently. The second the download stops and the computer is in network idle, the pings skyrocket. Either my hardware is really messed up or this is some sort of new power saving feature.



Can anyone please make a log like this and post it, someone in another forum posted theirs and it is similar to mine, making me thing its software and not hardware. (I think any haswell equipped mac would do, MBA or new MBP.
 
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frostrambler said:
Can anyone please make a log like this and post it, someone in another forum posted theirs and it is similar to mine, making me thing its software and not hardware. (I think any haswell equipped mac would do, MBA or new MBP.
Click to expand...

15" rMBP Late 2013 checking in here - I have the same problem and it appears numerous others on Apple's Discussion Forums also have the same issue.

Did you manage a fix or replacement for it as of yet?

Here's a ping output from one I just ran:

Camerons-MacBook-Pro:~ cameronsmith$ ping 10.0.1.1
PING 10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=34.525 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=291.548 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=239.838 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=129.374 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=58.621 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=265.171 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=41.935 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=255 time=18.907 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=255 time=34.480 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=255 time=18.927 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=255 time=41.205 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=255 time=167.827 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=255 time=8.928 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=255 time=124.161 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=255 time=16.777 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=255 time=73.183 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=255 time=178.148 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=255 time=192.952 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=255 time=157.675 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=255 time=63.918 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=255 time=253.994 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=21 ttl=255 time=237.785 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=255 time=153.717 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=23 ttl=255 time=11.919 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=24 ttl=255 time=306.829 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=25 ttl=255 time=226.014 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=26 ttl=255 time=178.830 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=27 ttl=255 time=53.590 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=28 ttl=255 time=35.943 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=29 ttl=255 time=31.323 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=30 ttl=255 time=112.359 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=31 ttl=255 time=58.649 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=32 ttl=255 time=285.884 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=33 ttl=255 time=205.475 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=34 ttl=255 time=127.268 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=35 ttl=255 time=83.079 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=36 ttl=255 time=257.708 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=37 ttl=255 time=33.690 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=38 ttl=255 time=116.183 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=39 ttl=255 time=46.789 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=40 ttl=255 time=263.894 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=41 ttl=255 time=26.450 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=42 ttl=255 time=105.337 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=43 ttl=255 time=24.635 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=44 ttl=255 time=228.371 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=45 ttl=255 time=262.754 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=46 ttl=255 time=94.888 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=47 ttl=255 time=321.028 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=48 ttl=255 time=245.872 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=49 ttl=255 time=141.155 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=50 ttl=255 time=62.227 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=51 ttl=255 time=290.744 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=52 ttl=255 time=232.503 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=53 ttl=255 time=152.350 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=54 ttl=255 time=73.926 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=55 ttl=255 time=275.550 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=56 ttl=255 time=232.837 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=57 ttl=255 time=119.402 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=58 ttl=255 time=67.005 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=59 ttl=255 time=289.185 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=60 ttl=255 time=200.929 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=61 ttl=255 time=130.577 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=62 ttl=255 time=25.892 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=63 ttl=255 time=322.389 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=64 ttl=255 time=6.231 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=65 ttl=255 time=23.403 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=66 ttl=255 time=19.151 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=67 ttl=255 time=53.171 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=68 ttl=255 time=22.283 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=69 ttl=255 time=75.641 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=70 ttl=255 time=30.573 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=71 ttl=255 time=110.641 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=72 ttl=255 time=124.699 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=73 ttl=255 time=103.440 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=74 ttl=255 time=186.009 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=75 ttl=255 time=200.778 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=76 ttl=255 time=167.859 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=77 ttl=255 time=88.884 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=78 ttl=255 time=253.395 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=79 ttl=255 time=235.683 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=80 ttl=255 time=175.926 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=81 ttl=255 time=56.007 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=82 ttl=255 time=309.469 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=83 ttl=255 time=227.367 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=84 ttl=255 time=154.725 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=85 ttl=255 time=65.517 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=86 ttl=255 time=295.283 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=87 ttl=255 time=102.602 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=88 ttl=255 time=45.961 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=89 ttl=255 time=61.522 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=90 ttl=255 time=273.761 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=91 ttl=255 time=17.199 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=92 ttl=255 time=25.168 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=93 ttl=255 time=21.519 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=94 ttl=255 time=249.164 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=95 ttl=255 time=195.108 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=96 ttl=255 time=94.966 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=97 ttl=255 time=62.726 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=98 ttl=255 time=345.031 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=99 ttl=255 time=192.790 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=100 ttl=255 time=115.003 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=101 ttl=255 time=4.221 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=102 ttl=255 time=278.825 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=103 ttl=255 time=175.243 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=104 ttl=255 time=96.629 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=105 ttl=255 time=29.564 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=106 ttl=255 time=256.028 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=107 ttl=255 time=199.210 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=108 ttl=255 time=86.348 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=109 ttl=255 time=318.519 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=110 ttl=255 time=242.216 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=111 ttl=255 time=208.843 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=112 ttl=255 time=76.299 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=113 ttl=255 time=337.673 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=114 ttl=255 time=223.927 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=115 ttl=255 time=143.710 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=116 ttl=255 time=38.493 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=117 ttl=255 time=266.009 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=118 ttl=255 time=259.019 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=119 ttl=255 time=132.622 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=120 ttl=255 time=62.339 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=121 ttl=255 time=343.744 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=122 ttl=255 time=202.941 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=123 ttl=255 time=124.287 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=124 ttl=255 time=6.194 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=125 ttl=255 time=57.900 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=126 ttl=255 time=44.582 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=127 ttl=255 time=4.255 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=128 ttl=255 time=63.501 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=129 ttl=255 time=30.778 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=130 ttl=255 time=2.062 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=131 ttl=255 time=19.390 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=132 ttl=255 time=13.303 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=133 ttl=255 time=1.279 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=134 ttl=255 time=17.937 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=135 ttl=255 time=72.647 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=136 ttl=255 time=25.858 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=137 ttl=255 time=14.339 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=138 ttl=255 time=3.370 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=139 ttl=255 time=84.092 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=140 ttl=255 time=308.926 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=141 ttl=255 time=231.442 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=142 ttl=255 time=151.661 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=143 ttl=255 time=73.077 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=144 ttl=255 time=361.973 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=145 ttl=255 time=220.773 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=146 ttl=255 time=141.323 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=147 ttl=255 time=39.386 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=148 ttl=255 time=321.316 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=149 ttl=255 time=208.876 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=150 ttl=255 time=108.511 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=151 ttl=255 time=44.139 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=152 ttl=255 time=287.537 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=153 ttl=255 time=25.948 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=154 ttl=255 time=25.172 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=155 ttl=255 time=40.205 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=156 ttl=255 time=253.612 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=157 ttl=255 time=29.213 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=158 ttl=255 time=86.022 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=159 ttl=255 time=6.561 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=160 ttl=255 time=256.246 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=161 ttl=255 time=167.176 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=162 ttl=255 time=97.078 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=163 ttl=255 time=25.993 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=164 ttl=255 time=256.479 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=165 ttl=255 time=53.926 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=166 ttl=255 time=23.011 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=167 ttl=255 time=314.393 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=168 ttl=255 time=235.810 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=169 ttl=255 time=133.789 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=170 ttl=255 time=77.530 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=171 ttl=255 time=310.327 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=172 ttl=255 time=226.105 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=173 ttl=255 time=146.991 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=174 ttl=255 time=56.492 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=175 ttl=255 time=294.722 ms
^C
--- 10.0.1.1 ping statistics ---
176 packets transmitted, 176 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.279/137.293/361.973/102.532 ms

Really worries me that those are local ping requests too... My 2009 17" MBP consistently gets <=1ms when pinging the same device on the same channel.
 
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