thoughts on Safari...

mike czech · Jan 7, 2003, 02:29 PM

Pros:

-fastest browser I have ever used
-good bookmark management
-built in Google
-great GUI
-syncs automatically with IE bookmarks
-not over-loaded with bells & whistles
-only a 3.5MB download and a 7MB app

Cons:
-no tabbed browsing
-re-sizing won't "fill screen"
-no free beer

post your thoughts!

mike czech · Jan 7, 2003, 02:32 PM

more Pros:
-most keyboard commands same as IE
-pop-up blocker
-website icons show up in URL bar & bookmark window
-that lil snapback arrow is NICE

damn, I must sound like S. Jobs, but after 15 minutes with this thang I REALLY like it.

TheT · Jan 7, 2003, 02:43 PM

Just switched from Chimera, and it's nice!
Only thing I miss is tabbed browsing and display of those lil icons in the bookmark bar.
This auto-delete downloaded .sit files and just keeping the originals doesn't work for me...

mnkeybsness · Jan 7, 2003, 02:43 PM

i submitted a bug already...

"I WANT TABS!"

i think safari is great...except for the above statement about TABS

TheT · Jan 7, 2003, 02:45 PM

...and one more thing:

Remember my damn passwords

TheT · Jan 7, 2003, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheT
This auto-delete downloaded .sit files and just keeping the originals doesn't work for me...

I have to correct myself: It's not supposed to work with .sit files... workes fine with .dmgs

mike czech · Jan 7, 2003, 03:02 PM

also:

combining the status bar with the URL bar is a real nice compacting feature.

the download manager is okay, but could be implemented into the GUI better, a lil bar in the tool bar to show downloads would be cool.

this free-floating window I get when I open Safari is REAL ANNOYING. Like the first version of iCal, it just opens at random places and sizes on my desktop.

OY YEAH... check THIS out:

http://internet-safari.com/

ANOTHER browser with the SAME NAME?!?!?!? VERY un-Apple like...

skunk · Jan 7, 2003, 03:13 PM

Bloody sweet!

TheT · Jan 7, 2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike czech
also:

combining the status bar with the URL bar is a real nice compacting feature.

Yeah, but it should be graphite when the OS is graphite...

well, it's a beta.
Is there any way to send feedback besides the bug-report-feature?

ChicagoMac · Jan 7, 2003, 04:03 PM

Maybe it's just my DSL service, which has been known to act up, but Chimera seems faster than Safari on my 17"Imac. Safari seems to pause before fully loading a web site. Chimera doesn't do this.

BTW, how do I set one of these two browsers to be my default browser? I use MSN messenger and it always opens IE when I need to check email.

robbieduncan · Jan 7, 2003, 04:14 PM

Needs tabs (I too have submitted a bug request for this). I have also de-metalised it (2 nibs: browser.nib and downloads.nib if you want to do it). Other than that it seems to work fine for me.

mc68k · Jan 7, 2003, 04:53 PM

My only complaint is tabs. I have grown to use these all the time. My tentative opinion is that everything is as good or better than Chimera.

ChicagoMac · Jan 7, 2003, 04:55 PM

Cool! Safari sets itself up as the default browser automatically. Checking my mail from MSN messenger now opens up Safari instead if IE!

Juventuz · Jan 7, 2003, 05:17 PM

I think I'm just stupid, but for the life of me I can't import my bookmarks from Chimera into Safari.

Any know how to do this?

vniow · Jan 7, 2003, 05:25 PM

Well, everybody already mentioned my biggest complaint (no tabs) but I do like the bug submission button, the minimalistic interface, plus it's fast as hell, sometimes faster than Chimera, but tabs make more use of my bandwith so I'm keeping Safari on the side for now.

Juventuz · Jan 7, 2003, 05:38 PM

Well i just read the help for Safari and it specifically states that it will not import bookmarks from any other browser but IE.

Oh well.... chimera is staying as my primary browser for now.

We need TABS!

mac15 · Jan 7, 2003, 06:04 PM

tabs and a proflie manger is what I want, or sync that with your address book

PabloEskimo · 06:09 PM

great browser! but I also want:

1. Tabs
2. Minimum/maximum font size
3. Remember passwords
4. Auto-fill
5. Graphite button mouse-clicks in address bar
6. Graphite status bar in address bar
7. History menu should be Go menu
8. Dock menu with bookmarks...
9. Remember window positions
10. Click & hold to show contextual menu
11. Drag & drop text
12. Better "view source"
13. "Send Link" menu item in File menu
14. Option to set a font that should be used instead of the fonts used by the website designer

that's all I can think of for now

mnkeybsness · Jan 7, 2003, 06:09 PM

you can export your bookmarks from chimera into an html file and then open it with safari and click each link one at a time and bookmark it...kind of a pain...but it works...i ended up only using about a third of my original bookmarks...most were crap anyways

safari just crashed on me for the first time about 10 minutes ago while trying to download the newest version of acquisition

oh yah...and i don't like the separate downloads window...it should work more like the bookmarks

ryanweb · Jan 7, 2003, 06:38 PM

Create a new folder, click on Bookmarks bar and drag your folder into the window. Works exactly like in Chimera. Nice.

kwajo.com · Jan 7, 2003, 06:54 PM

in terms of loading speed, there are some sites faster, some slower (than Chimera), and I agree the tabs should be there- but other than that I like it alot. The scrolling difference is significant, it really is ALOT smoother, and i like the interface. anything about bookmarks doesn't matter to me, because I don't use them, same with remembering passwords (I am as paranoid as a snuffleupagus in a mouse factory). good app, cannot wait for the new ilife set. . .

Bradcoe · Jan 7, 2003, 06:59 PM

It's MUCH faster than chimera or IE on both Verizon DSL at school and Valstar DSL at home. I'm a little upset about one thing. Integration with the Keychain! Chimera does this wonderfully with storing login's and passwords. Hopefully in the next version. I like storing them in Keychain instead of having the browser store them on its own.

Other than that, it's the best browser I've used on a mac.

medea · Jan 7, 2003, 06:59 PM

I say, awesome. definitely not a disappointment.

engpjp · Jan 7, 2003, 07:18 PM

It's fast, but sometimes not quite as fast as Chimera. It's a MAJOR oversight that you cannot import bookmarks manually, and that only IE can be a donor. I have a number of browsers I use, and they are NOT synchronized (now there's a job for a future iSync!).

Tabbed browsing is a must by now; on the other hand I prefer the way Safari handles the bookmark list to the awful sheet-in-sheet-out routine in Chimera. All parts of an iApp should more or less be presentable in the area taken by the initial window; in that respect, IE5 DID innovate, and that way of doing it cannot be beaten, in my universe at least.

Like with the other iApps, too many things are automated or hidden away (just compare the preferences to those of IE, or iCab for that matter). Then again, it's a nice touch that you can set the default browser in Safari's prefs.

But what is it about that name? does Apple want us to use that browser to go looking for the Next Big Beast (TM) ???

engpjp

scem0 · Jan 7, 2003, 07:20 PM

apple still has yet to release a browser that is
faster then PC browsers, but this is definitely
the best browser for a mac. This MW made me
want to go out and buy a mac really badly. Oh
well. I should just be happy that I spent next
to nothing on my PC.

.

Jan 7, 2003, 02:29 PM	#1
mike czech macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 619 SD CA	thoughts on Safari... Pros: -fastest browser I have ever used -good bookmark management -built in Google -great GUI -syncs automatically with IE bookmarks -not over-loaded with bells & whistles -only a 3.5MB download and a 7MB app Cons: -no tabbed browsing -re-sizing won't "fill screen" -no free beer post your thoughts!

Jan 7, 2003, 02:43 PM	#3
TheT macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	Just switched from Chimera, and it's nice! Only thing I miss is tabbed browsing and display of those lil icons in the bookmark bar. This auto-delete downloaded .sit files and just keeping the originals doesn't work for me... __________________ http://www.TheT.de

Jan 7, 2003, 02:43 PM	#4
mnkeybsness macrumors 68030 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Moneyapolis, Minnesota	i submitted a bug already... "I WANT TABS!" i think safari is great...except for the above statement about TABS __________________ Scribbls - a collaborative drawing community designed to combine drawings into outcomes—no talent required.

Jan 7, 2003, 02:45 PM	#5
TheT macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	...and one more thing: Remember my damn passwords __________________ http://www.TheT.de

Jan 7, 2003, 04:03 PM	#10
ChicagoMac macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Battle Creek, MI	Maybe it's just my DSL service, which has been known to act up, but Chimera seems faster than Safari on my 17"Imac. Safari seems to pause before fully loading a web site. Chimera doesn't do this. BTW, how do I set one of these two browsers to be my default browser? I use MSN messenger and it always opens IE when I need to check email. __________________ Free is better than cheap!

Jan 7, 2003, 02:32 PM	#2
mike czech Thread Starter macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 619 SD CA	more Pros: -most keyboard commands same as IE -pop-up blocker -website icons show up in URL bar & bookmark window -that lil snapback arrow is NICE damn, I must sound like S. Jobs, but after 15 minutes with this thang I REALLY like it.

Jan 7, 2003, 03:02 PM	#7
mike czech Thread Starter macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 619 SD CA	also: combining the status bar with the URL bar is a real nice compacting feature. the download manager is okay, but could be implemented into the GUI better, a lil bar in the tool bar to show downloads would be cool. this free-floating window I get when I open Safari is REAL ANNOYING. Like the first version of iCal, it just opens at random places and sizes on my desktop. OY YEAH... check THIS out: http://internet-safari.com/ ANOTHER browser with the SAME NAME?!?!?!? VERY un-Apple like...

Jan 7, 2003, 03:13 PM	#8
skunk macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Republic of Ukistan	Bloody sweet!

Jan 7, 2003, 04:14 PM	#11
robbieduncan macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London	Needs tabs (I too have submitted a bug request for this). I have also de-metalised it (2 nibs: browser.nib and downloads.nib if you want to do it). Other than that it seems to work fine for me.

Jan 7, 2003, 04:53 PM	#12
mc68k macrumors 68000 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego, Calif.	My only complaint is tabs. I have grown to use these all the time. My tentative opinion is that everything is as good or better than Chimera.

Jan 7, 2003, 04:55 PM	#13
ChicagoMac macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Battle Creek, MI	Cool! Safari sets itself up as the default browser automatically. Checking my mail from MSN messenger now opens up Safari instead if IE! __________________ Free is better than cheap!

Jan 7, 2003, 05:17 PM	#14
Juventuz macrumors 6502a Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Binghamton	I think I'm just stupid, but for the life of me I can't import my bookmarks from Chimera into Safari. Any know how to do this? __________________ Ranting & Raving

Jan 7, 2003, 05:25 PM	#15
vniow macrumors 603 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: I accidentally my whole location.	Well, everybody already mentioned my biggest complaint (no tabs) but I do like the bug submission button, the minimalistic interface, plus it's fast as hell, sometimes faster than Chimera, but tabs make more use of my bandwith so I'm keeping Safari on the side for now.

Jan 7, 2003, 05:38 PM	#16
Juventuz macrumors 6502a Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Binghamton	Well i just read the help for Safari and it specifically states that it will not import bookmarks from any other browser but IE. Oh well.... chimera is staying as my primary browser for now. We need TABS! __________________ Ranting & Raving

Jan 7, 2003, 06:04 PM	#17
mac15 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney	tabs and a proflie manger is what I want, or sync that with your address book __________________ Check out my guiKitting at the theflanneleffect

Jan 7, 2003, 06:06 PM	#18
PabloEskimo macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Belgium	great browser! but I also want: 1. Tabs 2. Minimum/maximum font size 3. Remember passwords 4. Auto-fill 5. Graphite button mouse-clicks in address bar 6. Graphite status bar in address bar 7. History menu should be Go menu 8. Dock menu with bookmarks... 9. Remember window positions 10. Click & hold to show contextual menu 11. Drag & drop text 12. Better "view source" 13. "Send Link" menu item in File menu 14. Option to set a font that should be used instead of the fonts used by the website designer that's all I can think of for now Last edited by PabloEskimo : Jan 7, 2003 at 06:09 PM.

Jan 7, 2003, 06:09 PM	#19
mnkeybsness macrumors 68030 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Moneyapolis, Minnesota	you can export your bookmarks from chimera into an html file and then open it with safari and click each link one at a time and bookmark it...kind of a pain...but it works...i ended up only using about a third of my original bookmarks...most were crap anyways safari just crashed on me for the first time about 10 minutes ago while trying to download the newest version of acquisition oh yah...and i don't like the separate downloads window...it should work more like the bookmarks __________________ Scribbls - a collaborative drawing community designed to combine drawings into outcomes—no talent required.

Jan 7, 2003, 06:38 PM	#20
ryanweb macrumors member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NY	Just added folders to bookmarks bar Create a new folder, click on Bookmarks bar and drag your folder into the window. Works exactly like in Chimera. Nice.

Jan 7, 2003, 06:54 PM	#21
kwajo.com macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bay of Fundy	in terms of loading speed, there are some sites faster, some slower (than Chimera), and I agree the tabs should be there- but other than that I like it alot. The scrolling difference is significant, it really is ALOT smoother, and i like the interface. anything about bookmarks doesn't matter to me, because I don't use them, same with remembering passwords (I am as paranoid as a snuffleupagus in a mouse factory). good app, cannot wait for the new ilife set. . . __________________ My Time on the Tropical Island of Newfoundland: http://gallery.mac.com/darkharbour/

Jan 7, 2003, 06:59 PM	#22
Bradcoe macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northeast U.S.	I like it a lot. Real fast It's MUCH faster than chimera or IE on both Verizon DSL at school and Valstar DSL at home. I'm a little upset about one thing. Integration with the Keychain! Chimera does this wonderfully with storing login's and passwords. Hopefully in the next version. I like storing them in Keychain instead of having the browser store them on its own. Other than that, it's the best browser I've used on a mac.

Jan 7, 2003, 06:59 PM	#23
medea macrumors 68030 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Madison, Wi	I say, awesome. definitely not a disappointment. __________________ Winner Of The '04 Animated Avatar Contest Misanthrope's Creed: One's company, two's a crowd. Solipsist's Creed: Zero's company, one's a crowd.

Jan 7, 2003, 07:18 PM	#24
engpjp macrumors newbie Join Date: Mar 2002	Fast but Fragile It's fast, but sometimes not quite as fast as Chimera. It's a MAJOR oversight that you cannot import bookmarks manually, and that only IE can be a donor. I have a number of browsers I use, and they are NOT synchronized (now there's a job for a future iSync!). Tabbed browsing is a must by now; on the other hand I prefer the way Safari handles the bookmark list to the awful sheet-in-sheet-out routine in Chimera. All parts of an iApp should more or less be presentable in the area taken by the initial window; in that respect, IE5 DID innovate, and that way of doing it cannot be beaten, in my universe at least. Like with the other iApps, too many things are automated or hidden away (just compare the preferences to those of IE, or iCab for that matter). Then again, it's a nice touch that you can set the default browser in Safari's prefs. But what is it about that name? does Apple want us to use that browser to go looking for the Next Big Beast (TM) ??? engpjp

Jan 7, 2003, 07:20 PM	#25
scem0 macrumors 601 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: back in NYC!	apple still has yet to release a browser that is faster then PC browsers, but this is definitely the best browser for a mac. This MW made me want to go out and buy a mac really badly. Oh well. I should just be happy that I spent next to nothing on my PC. . __________________ GradientCreator.com - Gradiented Text on Forums

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