Xbox 360 Elite W/ 20" Cinema Display?

edwardlanti · May 9, 2007, 09:42 AM

Hey guys right now I have a regular Xbox 360 Premium...I would had love to hook it up with my 20" Cinema Display but as you know I cant do that unless I buy a separate box to hook it up...I dont want to do that...so I was thinking of selling my Xbox and getting the elite edition cause of the HDMI....so the question I am asking is...Would the elite work with my Display?

applekid · 02:30 PM

They sell HDMI-to-DVI cables, so I would think so. I don't think the X-Box 360 Elite uses a proprietary port, right?

EDIT: I should add a word of caution. Since the Apple Cinema Display has almost no controls beyond brightness and an power button, choosing a proper resolution could be an issue. If you're expecting 1080p, the 20" Cinema Display doesn't have a high enough resolution. 720p will work, but if the Apple Cinema Display doesn't have a 1:1 mode, expect everything in the screen to be stretched. If the HDMI cable works like the VGA cable, and you can choose a resolution, consider using the 20" Cinema Display's native resolution.

iBob81 · Sep 2, 2007, 09:44 PM

I assume this is needed since the difference between dvi and hdmi is that hdmi incl. sound. So a seperate audio cable would be required. I have the same display and run a macbook, which has a single audio in. That's where the sound would go, right?

IscariotJ · 10:22 AM

There's a similar thread in the Apple Games forum, might be worth checking out....

Edit: here ya go:

zero2dash · Sep 4, 2007, 10:50 AM

FYI: Premiums now have HDMI ports on them.

MacRumorUser · Sep 4, 2007, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero2dash

FYI: Premiums now have HDMI ports on them.

Do they ? That was snuck out secretly wasn't it.

zero2dash · Sep 4, 2007, 01:53 PM

Yeah, pretty much. Cores are the only ones without HDMI now (on the new revision). Kinda snuck it under the rug though...no giant star stickers proclaiming "Now with HDMI!" or anything...just a small 'HDMI port' mention on the console specs section on the box (shown here).

greatdevourer · Sep 4, 2007, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacRumorUser

Do they ? That was snuck out secretly wasn't it.

Yup, but you have to check the boxes. They've also slipped in some 65nm boards, but I'm not sure you can check without breaking open the box and looking at the serial number

zero2dash · Sep 4, 2007, 03:29 PM

Everything I've read re: 65nm "Falcon" boards says they haven't shipped yet and won't probably til October or November at the earliest.

Did you get a news scoop, greatdevourer? Share that mofo if you have

I didn't think 65nm would be available in retail yet...

The one caveat about the 65nm though is it is not the solution to the problem.
The only 65nm chip for now will be the cpu; ATi has not come up with 65nm gpu's yet therefore the 65nm process 360s still will suffer RoD issues because the gpu is the one with the heat issues, not the cpu.

Two steps forward, one step back with these guys (the engineers)...

JackAxe · Sep 4, 2007, 04:27 PM

When I picked up a game on saturday, the guy in front of me was buying a 360 Elite as a replacement, because the guy behind the counter told him it had the 65nm chip. He'll probably be annoyed when he finds out that's not the case.

These guys state the 65nm is in full production, so how long will it take to get them on the shelf?

<]=)

zero2dash · Sep 5, 2007, 12:28 AM

People are going to be disappointed with their 65nm RoD 360s.

Again, this won't solve any problems.

Sure, the cpu generates heat but the cpu and its heat isn't the major cause of RoD; the gpu is. The gpu gets too hot and warps the circuit board which then causes the connection socket to lose consistency and eventually it leads to an RoD. Looking at the improved heatsink on the current models and the repaired ones...they primarily beefed up the heatsink on the gpu, not the cpu.

Again (again) - 65nm gpu 360s are in the works but there is no estimated arrival date on them because ATi hasn't refined the gpu process down from 90nm -> 65nm like IBM has done with the Xenon cpu. I think releasing them now is a sort of "save face" idea so they look better in the eye of the public, but again - this won't ring the end of the RoD issue and I can't help but wonder if this won't (potentially) backfire when people still get an RoD on a 65nm system because then the outcry will be "well, they did a die shrink and the system STILL fails, what next?".

Jack Flash · Sep 5, 2007, 12:55 AM

The Apple Cinema Display doesn't have HDCP. Forget all about HDMI's advantages for HD-DVDs.

greatdevourer · Sep 5, 2007, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero2dash

Everything I've read re: 65nm "Falcon" boards says they haven't shipped yet and won't probably til October or November at the earliest.

Did you get a news scoop, greatdevourer? Share that mofo if you have

I didn't think 65nm would be available in retail yet...

The one caveat about the 65nm though is it is not the solution to the problem.
The only 65nm chip for now will be the cpu; ATi has not come up with 65nm gpu's yet therefore the 65nm process 360s still will suffer RoD issues because the gpu is the one with the heat issues, not the cpu.

Two steps forward, one step back with these guys (the engineers)...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/01/x...in-the-future/ - that's the closest I could find, but I'm sure it was on digg a week or 2 ago

As for will it fix the issues, possibly so, as there'll be less heat circulating the case adding the problem, but it'll still want watercooling to keep it properly safe

IscariotJ · Sep 5, 2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Flash

The Apple Cinema Display doesn't have HDCP. Forget all about HDMI's advantages for HD-DVDs.

As much as I like the ACD's, the Dell 24" is looking more like an option....

TBi · Sep 5, 2007, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero2dash

EThe one caveat about the 65nm though is it is not the solution to the problem.
The only 65nm chip for now will be the cpu; ATi has not come up with 65nm gpu's yet therefore the 65nm process 360s still will suffer RoD issues because the gpu is the one with the heat issues, not the cpu.

Two steps forward, one step back with these guys (the engineers)...

Well if you have a cooler running CPU then the GPU will also run cooler because the air around it will be cooler. This should solve a lot of the RRoD problems.

Also engineering is not an exact science, there are no definite 1's or 0's. It's extremely difficult to shrink a die to a new process, not to mention how much harder it is with a big die like the XBOX 360 graphics chip with it's off board memory. It's also very difficult to fully evaluate if the new chip will work the same as the old one.

koobcamuk · Sep 13, 2007, 11:27 AM

Some dude posted here:

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread...=375090&page=2

"Aravance dont bump a year old thread with incorrect information. All the current Apple displays are DVI-I and can be adapted to VGA. Only the old apple displays with the ADC connetors are DVI-D only"

So, does that mean it works??

MacRumorUser · Sep 13, 2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koobcamuk

Some dude posted here:

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread...=375090&page=2

"Aravance dont bump a year old thread with incorrect information. All the current Apple displays are DVI-I and can be adapted to VGA. Only the old apple displays with the ADC connetors are DVI-D only"

So, does that mean it works??

It means the guy is talking out his ASS. Seriously all ACD's are DVI-Digital only. The only way of getting a VGA signal it to buy an expensive converter box.

k3rnelkurtz · Apr 29, 2008, 02:31 PM

Sorry to necro this thread, but I found this thread when googling my predicament.

Intrigued by the new GTA IV game, I'm thinking heavily about getting an Xbox 360 to hook up to my 20" ACD. I know that the cheapest version of the Xbox 360 has HDMI out now. So if I got an HDMI-to-DVI cable, would it work? Would I have any resolution problems or anything like that?

Thanks.

MacRumorUser · Apr 29, 2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k3rnelkurtz

Sorry to necro this thread, but I found this thread when googling my predicament.

Intrigued by the new GTA IV game, I'm thinking heavily about getting an Xbox 360 to hook up to my 20" ACD. I know that the cheapest version of the Xbox 360 has HDMI out now. So if I got an HDMI-to-DVI cable, would it work? Would I have any resolution problems or anything like that?

Thanks.

No!

save a long winded answer but I have tried and it didn't work.

k3rnelkurtz · Apr 29, 2008, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacRumorUser

No!

save a long winded answer but I have tried and it didn't work.

Bah! What a pity. It would have worked out so lovely.

shinji · May 15, 2008, 03:47 PM

Why wouldn't HDMI->DVI work in this case? You get a black screen?

Something like this http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimit.../dp/B0007MWE1E to do hdmi->dvi-d

edit: you would need a scaler too, right?

MacRumorUser · May 15, 2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinji

edit: you would need a scaler too, right?

Yes. The Apple ACD's have no scaler. Your computer does the scaling not the monitor.

shinji · May 15, 2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacRumorUser

Yes. The Apple ACD's have no scaler. Your computer does the scaling not the monitor.

So what monitor are you using? I'm looking for a 24" for my mac pro and xbox 360.

MacRumorUser · May 15, 2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinji

So what monitor are you using? I'm looking for a 24" for my mac pro and xbox 360.

Dell 2407FPW

TBi · May 16, 2008, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacRumorUser

Dell 2407FPW

Um... well since no one else has said it...

BOO!!! HISSS!!! DELL!!! HISSS!!!

:P

May 9, 2007, 09:42 AM	#1
edwardlanti macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: new york city	Xbox 360 Elite W/ 20" Cinema Display? Hey guys right now I have a regular Xbox 360 Premium...I would had love to hook it up with my 20" Cinema Display but as you know I cant do that unless I buy a separate box to hook it up...I dont want to do that...so I was thinking of selling my Xbox and getting the elite edition cause of the HDMI....so the question I am asking is...Would the elite work with my Display? __________________ 13" Unibody MacBook Pro 2.53 i5; 43 gig iPod Touch; Logitech Z-2300 speakers
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May 9, 2007, 10:19 AM	#2
applekid macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jul 2003	They sell HDMI-to-DVI cables, so I would think so. I don't think the X-Box 360 Elite uses a proprietary port, right? EDIT: I should add a word of caution. Since the Apple Cinema Display has almost no controls beyond brightness and an power button, choosing a proper resolution could be an issue. If you're expecting 1080p, the 20" Cinema Display doesn't have a high enough resolution. 720p will work, but if the Apple Cinema Display doesn't have a 1:1 mode, expect everything in the screen to be stretched. If the HDMI cable works like the VGA cable, and you can choose a resolution, consider using the 20" Cinema Display's native resolution. Last edited by applekid; May 9, 2007 at 02:30 PM. Reason: Added my word of caution
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Sep 2, 2007, 09:44 PM	#3
iBob81 macrumors newbie Join Date: Sep 2007	so, you just connect the hdmi to dvi, then a stereo to mono analog to your macbook? I assume this is needed since the difference between dvi and hdmi is that hdmi incl. sound. So a seperate audio cable would be required. I have the same display and run a macbook, which has a single audio in. That's where the sound would go, right?
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Sep 4, 2007, 10:16 AM	#4
IscariotJ macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: UK	There's a similar thread in the Apple Games forum, might be worth checking out.... Edit: here ya go: __________________ 32GB iPhone, 64GB iPad Last edited by IscariotJ; Sep 4, 2007 at 10:22 AM. Reason: Coz I'm that kinda guy.
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Sep 4, 2007, 04:27 PM	#10
JackAxe macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In a cup of orange juice.	When I picked up a game on saturday, the guy in front of me was buying a 360 Elite as a replacement, because the guy behind the counter told him it had the 65nm chip. He'll probably be annoyed when he finds out that's not the case. These guys state the 65nm is in full production, so how long will it take to get them on the shelf? <]=) __________________ Mac user since the eighties and owner since the nineties. If only Jobs had won one of his earlier temper tantrums and got his way, because then I could say I was a bicycle user.
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Sep 4, 2007, 10:50 AM	#5
zero2dash macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fenton, MO	FYI: Premiums now have HDMI ports on them.
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Sep 4, 2007, 01:53 PM	#7
zero2dash macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fenton, MO	Yeah, pretty much. Cores are the only ones without HDMI now (on the new revision). Kinda snuck it under the rug though...no giant star stickers proclaiming "Now with HDMI!" or anything...just a small 'HDMI port' mention on the console specs section on the box (shown here).
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Sep 4, 2007, 03:29 PM	#9
zero2dash macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fenton, MO	Everything I've read re: 65nm "Falcon" boards says they haven't shipped yet and won't probably til October or November at the earliest. Did you get a news scoop, greatdevourer? Share that mofo if you have I didn't think 65nm would be available in retail yet... The one caveat about the 65nm though is it is not the solution to the problem. The only 65nm chip for now will be the cpu; ATi has not come up with 65nm gpu's yet therefore the 65nm process 360s still will suffer RoD issues because the gpu is the one with the heat issues, not the cpu. Two steps forward, one step back with these guys (the engineers)...
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Sep 5, 2007, 12:28 AM	#11
zero2dash macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fenton, MO	People are going to be disappointed with their 65nm RoD 360s. Again, this won't solve any problems. Sure, the cpu generates heat but the cpu and its heat isn't the major cause of RoD; the gpu is. The gpu gets too hot and warps the circuit board which then causes the connection socket to lose consistency and eventually it leads to an RoD. Looking at the improved heatsink on the current models and the repaired ones...they primarily beefed up the heatsink on the gpu, not the cpu. Again (again) - 65nm gpu 360s are in the works but there is no estimated arrival date on them because ATi hasn't refined the gpu process down from 90nm -> 65nm like IBM has done with the Xenon cpu. I think releasing them now is a sort of "save face" idea so they look better in the eye of the public, but again - this won't ring the end of the RoD issue and I can't help but wonder if this won't (potentially) backfire when people still get an RoD on a 65nm system because then the outcry will be "well, they did a die shrink and the system STILL fails, what next?".
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Sep 5, 2007, 12:55 AM	#12
Jack Flash macrumors 65816 Join Date: May 2007	The Apple Cinema Display doesn't have HDCP. Forget all about HDMI's advantages for HD-DVDs.
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Sep 13, 2007, 11:27 AM	#16
koobcamuk macrumors 68040 Join Date: Oct 2006	Some dude posted here: http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread...=375090&page=2 "Aravance dont bump a year old thread with incorrect information. All the current Apple displays are DVI-I and can be adapted to VGA. Only the old apple displays with the ADC connetors are DVI-D only" So, does that mean it works?? __________________ Flickr® \| Life in Japan \| Backup your Mac, NOW!!
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Apr 29, 2008, 02:31 PM	#18
k3rnelkurtz macrumors newbie Join Date: Aug 2007	Sorry to necro this thread, but I found this thread when googling my predicament. Intrigued by the new GTA IV game, I'm thinking heavily about getting an Xbox 360 to hook up to my 20" ACD. I know that the cheapest version of the Xbox 360 has HDMI out now. So if I got an HDMI-to-DVI cable, would it work? Would I have any resolution problems or anything like that? Thanks.
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May 15, 2008, 03:47 PM	#21
shinji macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2007	Why wouldn't HDMI->DVI work in this case? You get a black screen? Something like this http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimit.../dp/B0007MWE1E to do hdmi->dvi-d edit: you would need a scaler too, right?
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