iPhone 'Hello World' Application

maknik · Jul 19, 2007, 11:30 PM

The folks over at the iPhone hacking wiki seem to be announcing a working toolchain and a "hello world" app running on the iPhone, thanks to the work of Patrick Walton aka Nightwatch. You can head over there if you have the url for more details, but so far there doesn't seem to be a screen shot or source code, though they do give some instructions.

mcdj · Jul 20, 2007, 08:31 AM

It's exciting, sort of, but it's also kinda sad. Had Apple designed the thing to run 3rd party apps to begin with, all this programming effort could have been spent on developing real apps instead of 320x480 web pages. And I, as I'm sure is true for others, won't be installing any hacks/apps until my warranty is up.

MacRumors · Jul 20, 2007, 10:10 AM

iPhone hacking efforts have been ongoing, but early efforts have provided only a few practical uses (custom ringtones), but one big news item from the community is the first proof-of-concept "Hello World" application has been compiled and launched on the iPhone.

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After many, many hours of intense work from "Nightwatch", the first independent "Hello World"* application has been compiled and launched on the iPhone. This was made possible using the "ARM/Mach-O Toolchain", Nightwatch's "special project", that he has been working on so carefully over the past few weeks. Certain parts of the toolchain (such as the assembler) are being refined and tested and these will be released as soon as possible.

No sample code or development tools are yet available, but this may pave the way to future 3rd party iPhone applications. There has been some hope/rumors that Apple may eventually launch their own official SDK, but for now, Apple is sticking to the Web 2.0 development plan and hosting iPhone Tech Talks in major cities to help developers with their iPhone web-applications.

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AidenShaw · Jul 20, 2007, 10:14 AM

I wonder when Apple will provide a real SDK, and open it up?

http://www.freetheiphone.org/

I liked one commentator who said that Apple's become the fifth orifice due to the policies on locking up the Iphone!

Matteh117 · Jul 20, 2007, 10:15 AM

Hopefuly they get apps working fully before European launch. ;p

kingtj · Jul 20, 2007, 10:25 AM

This is great news, but it just illustrates the folly of thinking ANYONE can prevent a product from performing some of the functions inherent to the device, by employing artificial restrictions.

I see the guys over at the "doom9" forums just broke the DRM used in Windows media files *again*, and you can bet it won't be the last time it happens either.

Basically, a company like Apple has two choices. Open a computing device (which an iPhone is, at the core of it) so that anyone can program it, or put up barriers that frustrated/devoted enough individuals will keep knocking down - wasting Apple's time and energy to put up firmware updates to fix, over and over - until somebody gets tired of the "cat and mouse game".

kainjow · Jul 20, 2007, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AidenShaw

I wonder when Apple will provide a real SDK, and open it up?

WWDC 08

firsttube · Jul 20, 2007, 10:30 AM

I have a T-Mobile sim card just itching to get into a hacked iPhone. Keep the good news a-comin!

Clive At Five · Jul 20, 2007, 10:34 AM

Apple will either take the "no action" route or the "in your face" route.

The "no action" is a classic Apple move, but do you all remember when people were trying to dual-boot windows on the first Intel Macs? The week after it was cracked Apple came out with Boot Camp. "IN YOUR FACE!"

-Clive

DaveGee · Jul 20, 2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kingtj

I see the guys over at the "doom9" forums just broke the DRM used in Windows media files *again*, and you can bet it won't be the last time it happens either.

Thats CLASSIC!!! Score one for the good guys... DRM is IMnsHO the devil spawn pure and simple...

Hmm we should come up with an alternate acronym for DRM....

Hows about, Doesn't Really Matter

Dave

pacohaas · Jul 20, 2007, 10:41 AM

how can you score this as negative, hahahahaha

Clive At Five · Jul 20, 2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pacohaas

how can you score this as negative, hahahahaha

Please.

People rated the "Apple releases iPhone" article as Negative.

-Clive

mhannis · 11:02 AM

Here is a link that explains how to get the complier set up...

http://getitnext.typepad.com/weblog/...ion-gee-1.html

joshysquashy · Jul 20, 2007, 11:10 AM

surely apple will just disable this hack with the next update?

we need to wait until apple allows 3rd party apps otherwise it will be a constant battle.

i also read that the iphone can now be used with other networks, but this will surely be deactivated in an update too?

Wayfarer · Jul 20, 2007, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poopooplatter

I vote "negative" just so you nerds have something to bitch about.

*GASP* OMG!

Scan-DUH-lous!

mozmac · Jul 20, 2007, 11:14 AM

With a kit like this, you really are saying hello to the world. If you can get compiled apps running on the iPhone, you have the Apple world's attention.

kalisphoenix · Jul 20, 2007, 11:15 AM

Hopefully this will force Apple into releasing the SDK. I suspect they'll have to have a better solution (and perhaps one honest-to-god app) before it happens, though.

michelle21 · Jul 20, 2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshysquashy

surely apple will just disable this hack with the next update?

we need to wait until apple allows 3rd party apps otherwise it will be a constant battle.

i also read that the iphone can now be used with other networks, but this will surely be deactivated in an update too?

Maybe not, I suspect they might take the approach they take with appletv or tivo takes.

As long as the hack doesn't allow the pirating of service (unlocking too) allow it, if it does allow for some kind of pirating of service that "fix' it with an update.

Then there IS the sony approach, of chasing your tail and releasing one fix after another (aka psp).

w00master · Jul 20, 2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshysquashy

surely apple will just disable this hack with the next update?

we need to wait until apple allows 3rd party apps otherwise it will be a constant battle.

i also read that the iphone can now be used with other networks, but this will surely be deactivated in an update too?

I'm sure Apple could, but it's a losing battle for them. The hackers would probably quickly come up with another hack to either reverse or re-enable what they have set-up. Just take a look at all of the firmware updates that Sony has for the PSP, much of those updates were to stop the hacking on the PSP, but often hours later hackers come up with something to reverse/re-enable what the update did.

Personally for me, I think this news is wonderful and hopefully will prove to those naysayers that 3rd party apps can't crash an entire wireless network.

w00master

joshysquashy · Jul 20, 2007, 11:26 AM

the real question is - how easy/risky is it to add 3rd party apps?

if its a drag and drop or installer solution then it will catch on, otherwise it will be for a select few.

PubGuy · Jul 20, 2007, 11:38 AM

YEAH -- give me some way to manage my passwords on the iPhone. Right now I'm using a neat app called SplashID that is a Mac app and a matching Palm app that syncs between my Palm phone and the Mac -- no way I want a web-based app to store all my passwords. I need a native iPhone app that can sync with the Mac to keep my passwords up to date, no matter which device I'm using. Another reason to have it as a local iPhone app is that if you are inside a building with no cell phone coverage and need to look-up a password to access specific sites on your desktop computer, it sure would be handy to have that data local on your iPhone.

Maybe somebody will even come up with a ToDo app for the iPhone that syncs with the ToDo's in iCal -- what a novel idea, eh?

Or, how about an expense report app to keep track of your daily expenses while traveling (even to places without AT&T coverage).

And the list goes on and on of practical LOCAL applications that would be extremely useful on the iPhone to personalize it to a perfect PERSONAL information manager.

Dermot · Jul 20, 2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kainjow

WWDC 08

by then original iphone will be a faint memory

Snowy_River · Jul 20, 2007, 11:43 AM

From everything that I've read, the iPhone has some problems with applications. If Apple can't even manage to get their own apps to function without crashes, I really wouldn't want to see how unstable third party apps would make the iPhone. That being said, this is iPhone OS X 1.0. I'm sure that Apple is working on a way to have a better protected app space, so apps can be sandboxed. Once they have that and it's been debugged, I'm sure that Apple will release an official SDK. In the interim, Apple has pointed to Web 2.0, so that they don't look like they're shutting developers out entirely. After all, we all know that Apple doesn't comment on future products... until it does.

Anyone remember what Apple had to say about dual booting Windows on the early Intel Macs, right up until they released BootCamp beta?

ImageWrangler · Jul 20, 2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacohaas

how can you score this as negative, hahahahaha

Hahhaaanothing... all you guys are clueless. The reason why Treos and Blackberrys tend to be so crash-prone, as other phones with third party apps is... wait for it, wait for it... BECAUSE OF THIRD PARTY APPS!!!

All you people whining for third party apps will then be the same ones who complain when the iPhone becomes an unstable platform, blaming Apple instead of the developers who make crappy applications that make the iPhone unstable.

It's the clueless leading the clueless here sometimes I swear.

w00master · Jul 20, 2007, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImageWrangler

Hahhaaanothing... all you guys are clueless. The reason why Treos and Blackberrys tend to be so crash-prone, as other phones with third party apps is... wait for it, wait for it... BECAUSE OF THIRD PARTY APPS!!!

All you people whining for third party apps will then be the same ones who complain when the iPhone becomes an unstable platform, blaming Apple instead of the developers who make crappy applications that make the iPhone unstable.

It's the clueless leading the clueless here sometimes I swear.

Funny cause the iPhone crashes with 1st party apps.

w00master

Jul 19, 2007, 11:30 PM	#1
maknik macrumors member Join Date: May 2006	"Hello world" for iPhone The folks over at the iPhone hacking wiki seem to be announcing a working toolchain and a "hello world" app running on the iPhone, thanks to the work of Patrick Walton aka Nightwatch. You can head over there if you have the url for more details, but so far there doesn't seem to be a screen shot or source code, though they do give some instructions.

Jul 20, 2007, 08:31 AM	#2
mcdj macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NYC	It's exciting, sort of, but it's also kinda sad. Had Apple designed the thing to run 3rd party apps to begin with, all this programming effort could have been spent on developing real apps instead of 320x480 web pages. And I, as I'm sure is true for others, won't be installing any hacks/apps until my warranty is up. __________________ Check out my crappy t-shirts

Jul 20, 2007, 10:14 AM	#4
AidenShaw macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Peninsula (Northern Silicon Valley)	I wonder when Apple will provide a real SDK, and open it up? http://www.freetheiphone.org/ I liked one commentator who said that Apple's become the fifth orifice due to the policies on locking up the Iphone! __________________ -as Marriage Equality - Have you talked about it with your gay friends, your gay colleagues and your gay relatives?

Jul 20, 2007, 10:25 AM	#6
kingtj macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Saint Louis. MO (USA)	Locking down hardware has never been wise..... This is great news, but it just illustrates the folly of thinking ANYONE can prevent a product from performing some of the functions inherent to the device, by employing artificial restrictions. I see the guys over at the "doom9" forums just broke the DRM used in Windows media files again, and you can bet it won't be the last time it happens either. Basically, a company like Apple has two choices. Open a computing device (which an iPhone is, at the core of it) so that anyone can program it, or put up barriers that frustrated/devoted enough individuals will keep knocking down - wasting Apple's time and energy to put up firmware updates to fix, over and over - until somebody gets tired of the "cat and mouse game".

Jul 20, 2007, 10:30 AM	#8
firsttube macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2004	I have a T-Mobile sim card just itching to get into a hacked iPhone. Keep the good news a-comin! __________________ \| C2D BlackBook 2.0/2/120 \| Black 8 GB nano \| 17" iMac G4 800 \| \| For Sale: iPod mini 6 GB Silver \|

Jul 20, 2007, 10:15 AM	#5
Matteh117 macrumors regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Surrey, UK	Hopefuly they get apps working fully before European launch. ;p

Jul 20, 2007, 10:34 AM	#9
Clive At Five macrumors 65816 Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Paul, MN	Apple will either take the "no action" route or the "in your face" route. The "no action" is a classic Apple move, but do you all remember when people were trying to dual-boot windows on the first Intel Macs? The week after it was cracked Apple came out with Boot Camp. "IN YOUR FACE!" -Clive __________________ My Mod: G4 Cube + Atom 330 CPU + Wiimote = Ultimate HTPC!

Jul 20, 2007, 10:41 AM	#11
pacohaas macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2006	how can you score this as negative, hahahahaha

Jul 20, 2007, 10:51 AM	#13
mhannis macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2007	Here is a link that explains how to get the complier set up... http://getitnext.typepad.com/weblog/...ion-gee-1.html Last edited by mhannis : Jul 20, 2007 at 11:02 AM. Reason: bad url

Jul 20, 2007, 11:10 AM	#14
joshysquashy macrumors 6502a Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK	surely apple will just disable this hack with the next update? we need to wait until apple allows 3rd party apps otherwise it will be a constant battle. i also read that the iphone can now be used with other networks, but this will surely be deactivated in an update too?

Jul 20, 2007, 11:14 AM	#16
mozmac macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: California, Utah, Colorado...wherever I happen to be at the moment	With a kit like this, you really are saying hello to the world. If you can get compiled apps running on the iPhone, you have the Apple world's attention. __________________ Blurt Daily: Opinion and More Opinion

Jul 20, 2007, 11:15 AM	#17
kalisphoenix Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	Hopefully this will force Apple into releasing the SDK. I suspect they'll have to have a better solution (and perhaps one honest-to-god app) before it happens, though.

Jul 20, 2007, 11:26 AM	#20
joshysquashy macrumors 6502a Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK	the real question is - how easy/risky is it to add 3rd party apps? if its a drag and drop or installer solution then it will catch on, otherwise it will be for a select few.

Jul 20, 2007, 11:38 AM	#21
PubGuy macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2002	YEAH -- give me some way to manage my passwords on the iPhone. Right now I'm using a neat app called SplashID that is a Mac app and a matching Palm app that syncs between my Palm phone and the Mac -- no way I want a web-based app to store all my passwords. I need a native iPhone app that can sync with the Mac to keep my passwords up to date, no matter which device I'm using. Another reason to have it as a local iPhone app is that if you are inside a building with no cell phone coverage and need to look-up a password to access specific sites on your desktop computer, it sure would be handy to have that data local on your iPhone. Maybe somebody will even come up with a ToDo app for the iPhone that syncs with the ToDo's in iCal -- what a novel idea, eh? Or, how about an expense report app to keep track of your daily expenses while traveling (even to places without AT&T coverage). And the list goes on and on of practical LOCAL applications that would be extremely useful on the iPhone to personalize it to a perfect PERSONAL information manager.

Jul 20, 2007, 11:43 AM	#23
Snowy_River macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Corvallis, OR	From everything that I've read, the iPhone has some problems with applications. If Apple can't even manage to get their own apps to function without crashes, I really wouldn't want to see how unstable third party apps would make the iPhone. That being said, this is iPhone OS X 1.0. I'm sure that Apple is working on a way to have a better protected app space, so apps can be sandboxed. Once they have that and it's been debugged, I'm sure that Apple will release an official SDK. In the interim, Apple has pointed to Web 2.0, so that they don't look like they're shutting developers out entirely. After all, we all know that Apple doesn't comment on future products... until it does. Anyone remember what Apple had to say about dual booting Windows on the early Intel Macs, right up until they released BootCamp beta? __________________ -Snowy Golden Naga: Indonesian Kung-Fu Geoffrey H Wathen Photography

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