New iTunes Released

[nickspohn]

Discuss.

[malenfant]

Uh, yeah. You have to first buy the song from iTunes, and then you have to pony up another 99 cents to make a ringtone out of it.

As Bob Saget would say, "**** that ****."

Time for iToner.

[mpuck972]

Originally Posted by malenfant

Uh, yeah. You have to first buy the song from iTunes, and then you have to pony up another 99 cents to make a ringtone out of it.

As Bob Saget would say, "**** that ****."

Time for iToner.

Guess Steve Jobs is trying to find ways to get closer to Bill Gates income? .99 + .99 = Failure for Apple

[Tommyg117]

Service will be turned on "next week"? Really? Come on, just do it now.

[mpuck972]

Originally Posted by Tommyg117

Service will be turned on "next week"? Really? Come on, just do it now.

It's works now with third party apps, and they only cost $10-$15 total, as opposed to $1.98 each tone.

[Tommyg117]

Originally Posted by mpuck972

It's works now with third party apps, and they only cost $10-$15 total, as opposed to $1.98 each tone.

Yeah, I would rather do something that was made by the company that made the phone and is guarenteed to work and not cause problems later. I just don't wanna mess with iToner or anything.

[milo]

Originally Posted by mpuck972

.99 + .99 = Failure for Apple

Considering most ringtones are at least that much, what makes you think the decision was apple's? Do you really think the record companies would just let apple give away ringtone use for no extra charge?

What other companies sell ringtones plus "mp3" version for $1.99? Are there any?

[Hattig]

Originally Posted by mpuck972

Guess Steve Jobs is trying to find ways to get closer to Bill Gates income? .99 + .99 = Failure for Apple

I think most of the people here commenting simply don't understand how the ring tone industry works, nor how popular it is, nor the current cost of ringtones.

This will be a major success, it's cheap (for ringtones), high quality (for ringtones) and you get to select the section of ringtone you want.

Remember people have been buying ringtones that were simple monophonic MIDI files, then polyphonic MIDI files, and then low-bitrate MP3 files, for years, and paying up to £3 apiece for them.

It sucks if you're not willing to pay for something you know you can do in Audacity in a few minutes, apart from the hassle in getting it onto the iPhone. I'm totally with you here. But you can't claim it will be a failure at all. The price is good for the people that need dozens of ringtones, and to be honest it's cheap enough if you just want a single ringtone. And you won't have to do it anew for each new iPhone you buy over the next few years.

[snook911]

Originally Posted by malenfant

Uh, yeah. You have to first buy the song from iTunes, and then you have to pony up another 99 cents to make a ringtone out of it.

As Bob Saget would say, "**** that ****."

Time for iToner.

You do know at $1.98 thats cheaper then most other cell companies charge for ringtones.

[malenfant]

Originally Posted by snook911

You do know at $1.98 thats cheaper then most other cell companies charge for ringtones.

The cell companies are ripoff artists when it comes to ringtones. Just because Apple is cheaper doesn't make them any more right.

And I've already GOT my music. Fair use doctrine tells me I should not have to pay to snip a piece of it into a ringtone.

Apple blew this one big time, boys and girls. iTunes should let you snip any song you already own into a ringtone, free of charge.

[mpuck972]

Originally Posted by malenfant

The cell companies are ripoff artists when it comes to ringtones. Just because Apple is cheaper doesn't make them any more right.

And I've already GOT my music. Fair use doctrine tells me I should not have to pay to snip a piece of it into a ringtone.

Apple blew this one big time, boys and girls. iTunes should let you snip any song you already own into a ringtone, free of charge.

I agree 100%. It amazes me how forgiving most people on here are of Apple. If that was Bill Gates announcing that, as opposed to Steve Jobs, there would be lawsuits filed already.

We own it, we should be able to use it.

[Amblinman]

Originally Posted by mpuck972

I agree 100%. It amazes me how forgiving most people on here are of Apple. If that was Bill Gates announcing that, as opposed to Steve Jobs, there would be lawsuits filed already.

We own it, we should be able to use it.

You can, just not through iTunes's service.

It's amazing to me that people are under the impression that everything is coming to them for the low, low cost of nothing.

This is how capitalism works, boys and girls. Apple offers a service, you either find it worth the price or you don't. One thing I hate about the post-Napster era is how so many folks think anything they want should be free.

[SMM]

Originally Posted by mpuck972

I agree 100%. It amazes me how forgiving most people on here are of Apple. If that was Bill Gates announcing that, as opposed to Steve Jobs, there would be lawsuits filed already.

We own it, we should be able to use it.

I leave the whining to the Newbie trollers. Amazing how many 10 posters come out of the woodwork right after Apple makes an announcement.

[ehurtley]

Originally Posted by mpuck972

I agree 100%. It amazes me how forgiving most people on here are of Apple. If that was Bill Gates announcing that, as opposed to Steve Jobs, there would be lawsuits filed already.

We own it, we should be able to use it.

Has even one person been an apologist for this? I don't think so.

As for lawsuits, Apple already has multiple lawsuits against them over iPod and iPhone issues.

As far as suing over this, though, that's ridiculous. Nobody would sue over being charged for ringtones (well some people would sue over being looked at funny, but you know what I mean,) but that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

I fully agree, iToner is looking much nicer now. (I'm sure we'll have a freeware option soon, too.)

[snook911]

Originally Posted by malenfant

The cell companies are ripoff artists when it comes to ringtones. Just because Apple is cheaper doesn't make them any more right.

And I've already GOT my music. Fair use doctrine tells me I should not have to pay to snip a piece of it into a ringtone.

Apple blew this one big time, boys and girls. iTunes should let you snip any song you already own into a ringtone, free of charge.

so what if you already downloaded and paid for a song through itunes. will you have to buy that song all over again and wind up with two copies of the same song or will itunes recognize the differance between the songs you downloaded from them and say the songs you downloaded from another source.

[Island Dog]

I'm very disappointed in this.

[ibwb]

Originally Posted by malenfant

The cell companies are ripoff artists when it comes to ringtones. Just because Apple is cheaper doesn't make them any more right.

And I've already GOT my music. Fair use doctrine tells me I should not have to pay to snip a piece of it into a ringtone.

Apple blew this one big time, boys and girls. iTunes should let you snip any song you already own into a ringtone, free of charge.

Argh... why can't people see below the surface with this? Apple doesn't own the songs! Apple has to negotiate ringtone rights from the music industry just like everyone else!

This is so obvious... why anyone would think that Apple has some mystical power to pull free ringtones out of the greedy bastards running the music industry is beyond me.

[ts1973]

Originally Posted by ibwb

Argh... why can't people see below the surface with this? Apple doesn't own the songs! Apple has to negotiate ringtone rights from the music industry just like everyone else!

This is so obvious... why anyone would think that Apple has some mystical power to pull free ringtones out of the greedy bastards running the music industry is beyond me.

Spot on.

But on the other hand : every other smart (or less smart) phone can use songs as a ringtone, Apple chooses not to allow this.

[johnmcboston]

Originally Posted by ibwb

Argh... why can't people see below the surface with this? Apple doesn't own the songs! Apple has to negotiate ringtone rights from the music industry just like everyone else!

That would be true if I didn't own the song already. So you're saying it makes sense I pay $15 for a CD, then have to pay another dollar for any song from the CD I paid for to use as a ringtone on my own phone???

[CJD2112]

Originally Posted by ibwb

Argh... why can't people see below the surface with this? Apple doesn't own the songs! Apple has to negotiate ringtone rights from the music industry just like everyone else!

This is so obvious... why anyone would think that Apple has some mystical power to pull free ringtones out of the greedy bastards running the music industry is beyond me.

Actually, if you make a CD through iTunes of purchased DRM music, then copy the track to your Mac, you can rip out the copy protection and make your own ring tone. I've NEVER paid for a ring tone, I always uploaded them through Bluetooth ObEx onto my RAZR, and now using iFuntastic to my iPhone. I refuse to pay more money into the already bloated pockets of Hollyweird exec's and the industry.

So, if I buy a CD, import it to iTunes, can I make a free ring tone with the songs I own or do I still have to buy them exclusively through iTunes?

[awesomebase]

Originally Posted by ibwb

Argh... why can't people see below the surface with this? Apple doesn't own the songs! Apple has to negotiate ringtone rights from the music industry just like everyone else!

This is so obvious... why anyone would think that Apple has some mystical power to pull free ringtones out of the greedy bastards running the music industry is beyond me.

Correction, I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but no ringtone requires rights from the music industry as they are 30 seconds or less in length. That is why you get to "preview" songs without buying them for 30 seconds. Apple doesn't pay a penny to the artists or to the music industry for this... it is, as the saying goes, all gravy!

[Evangelion]

Originally Posted by malenfant

The cell companies are ripoff artists when it comes to ringtones. Just because Apple is cheaper doesn't make them any more right.

And I've already GOT my music. Fair use doctrine tells me I should not have to pay to snip a piece of it into a ringtone.

Apple blew this one big time, boys and girls. iTunes should let you snip any song you already own into a ringtone, free of charge.

you are paying extra because royalty-rights are a lot higher for ringtones than they are for normal songs. so either apple charges extra for the ringtones, or they sell them at a loss

[Random Ping]

Originally Posted by malenfant

And I've already GOT my music. Fair use doctrine tells me I should not have to pay to snip a piece of it into a ringtone.

Usually a provider needs to get permission from the rights holder to use the song in a significantly different way than what has already been granted. Since only a percentage of the songs are available for this, I suspect this is the case with Apple.

For each song that Apple wants to let you turn into a ringtone, Apple probably has to get special permission from the owners and then pay them each time someone does this.

[Porco]

Originally Posted by Random Ping

Usually a provider needs to get permission from the rights holder to use the song in a significantly different way than what has already been granted. Since only a percentage of the songs are available for this, I suspect this is the case with Apple.

For each song that Apple wants to let you turn into a ringtone, Apple probably has to get special permission from the owners and then pay them each time someone does this.

How can I play any MP3 or [unprotected]AAC on my SonyEricsson phone then?

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by malenfant

iTunes should let you snip any song you already own into a ringtone, free of charge.

You CAN already do this for free. The $0.99 price is a tax on lazy people who can't be bothered the do the conversion themselves.