Steve Jobs to Kick Off WWDC with Preview of Mac OS X "Tiger"

[simply258]

CUPERTINO, California— May 4, 2004— Apple® today announced that Steve Jobs will kick off its Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) with a keynote on Monday, June 28, 2004, beginning at 10:00 a.m. at San Francisco’s Moscone West. This year's keynote will include a preview of “Tiger,” the next major release of Mac® OS X.

Apple Press Release

[radhak]

So when is Tiger going to be out? (that name is pretty bland, after Panther )

Btw, the cost of attending this WWDC is $1595!!! Who can afford to attend at those prices? Has anybody attended any of these? Who paid?

[simply258]

Originally Posted by radhak

Btw, the cost of attending this WWDC is $1595!!! Who can afford to attend at those prices? Has anybody attended any of these? Who paid?

Developers maybe ? After all, this is a developers conference, not for everyone. And you can deduct $300 off of that price if you register early before May 14.

[caveman_uk]

Originally Posted by radhak

Btw, the cost of attending this WWDC is $1595!!! Who can afford to attend at those prices? Has anybody attended any of these? Who paid?

You haven't attended many conferences then? I've never been to any IT related ones but I can assure you that big conferences in the US for medicinal chemistry or pharmaceuticals are in a similar ballpark for price. In the case of those your employer usually pays...

[pjkelnhofer]

Originally Posted by caveman_uk

You haven't attended many conferences then? I've never been to any IT related ones but I can assure you that big conferences in the US for medicinal chemistry or pharmaceuticals are in a similar ballpark for price. In the case of those your employer usually pays...

Exactly! It seems very odd to see people complaining about the price. This is not for Joe Macuser. Just a quick look at the conference schedule and you will realize that most users even powerusers don't need to attend things like Creating Application Clusters for Apache and MySQL or How to Test and Debug Your Cross-Platform Java Application on Mac OS X. This conference if for people developing Mac software not using it.

[stoid]

I think that by Panther, Mac OS X is finally a great 'regular' user OS. I think that the biggest improvements of Tiger will not be as WOW for the average user (nothing new like Exposé) but it will have a bunch of awesome new features that will blow away the professional users.

Still, Apple may continue to kick everyone's ass again!

[azdude]

Originally Posted by stoid

I think that by Panther, Mac OS X is finally a great 'regular' user OS. I think that the biggest improvements of Tiger will not be as WOW for the average user (nothing new like Exposé) but it will have a bunch of awesome new features that will blow away the professional users.

I disagree. Apple's out to make money. This means getting 'the average user' to want to buy 10.4. If they're smart, they'll make Tiger every bit as cool as Panther was to us a year ago.

That being said, they often have other ways of getting people to upgrade than a truly "wow" upgrade. For example, make all newly-updated Apple software require the new OS. We know how it is. Safari, iTunes, iLife, etc...

[elgruga]

So presumably this means the new G5 powerbooks will be released soon.

[pjkelnhofer]

Originally Posted by azdude

I disagree. Apple's out to make money. This means getting 'the average user' to want to buy 10.4. If they're smart, they'll make Tiger every bit as cool as Panther was to us a year ago.

That being said, they often have other ways of getting people to upgrade than a truly "wow" upgrade. For example, make all newly-updated Apple software require the new OS. We know how it is. Safari, iTunes, iLife, etc...

More importantly if it is not a cool/powerful as Panther was in comparison to Jaguar, they have to convince that it is.

[anjaki]

I've heard a rumour that Apple have done a sponsering deal with Siegfried and Roy for the use of the name Tiger, and that during the WWDC, via a live video link (probably iChat), Steve Jobs will remotely cut off Roys life support system.

[rdowns]

Originally Posted by anjaki

I've heard a rumour that Apple have done a sponsering deal with Siegfried and Roy for the use of the name Tiger, and that during the WWDC, via a live video link (probably iChat), Steve Jobs will remotely cut off Roys life support system.

iLife support system?

[savar]

Originally Posted by anjaki

I've heard a rumour that Apple have done a sponsering deal with Siegfried and Roy for the use of the name Tiger, and that during the WWDC, via a live video link (probably iChat), Steve Jobs will remotely cut off Roys life support system.

You just cracked me up, because until the last 10 words I totally bought it.

I expect Tiger will not have any "expose-killer" features, but probably 3 or 4 features that add up to a similar "wow" -- file-system metadata is one example. I fully expect it to be there. (They were already working on it, and Tiger won't be out till what, like next Jan?)

10.5 is going to have a lot of cool stuff though...It's just far enough away for them to pack in tons of experimental stuff. More depth and liveliness on the desktop, plus there will be more hardware to integrate by then. I'm thinking Apple will introduce a networked Tivo type of thing which will interface to iPhoto and iMovie, and of course iTunes for displaying the visualizers when you have people over.

[Nobs]

BTW, I'm just waiting for my Mac to finally be compatible with my Coleco Adam computer.

[Hes Nikke]

Originally Posted by radhak

So when is Tiger going to be out? (that name is pretty bland, after Panther )

Btw, the cost of attending this WWDC is $1595!!! Who can afford to attend at those prices? Has anybody attended any of these? Who paid?

i am going for my first time... for free - i got a scholarship

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/students/

[stoid]

Originally Posted by Hes Nikke

i am going for my first time... for free - i got a scholarship

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/students/

That would be awesome as I'd love to attend a WWDC as a CS major. Too bad I'd still have to find money for airfare.

I may have an internship with MTV or VH1 next summer so maybe I can get in free then since I'm already over there.

BTW, what's with the hex code in your sig?

[pjkelnhofer]

Originally Posted by stoid

That would be awesome as I'd love to attend a WWDC as a CS major. Too bad I'd still have to find money for airfare.

I may have an internship with MTV or VH1 next summer so maybe I can get in free then since I'm already over there.

BTW, what's with the hex code in your sig?

Be where? Aren't VH1 and MTV both in New York City and WWDC usually in San Francisco?

I assume they stream the WWDC keynote. Anyone remember last year?

[Foocha]

I doubt Tiger will be all 64 bit - this would not necessarily deliver any performance gain, and remember when Apple switched from 68k to PowerPC they still hadn't replaced all the old 68k code before they scrapped OS 9 in favour of OS X.

Top of my wish list is the ability to launch multiple instances of the Finder, so that if your Finder freezes, you can start working with another instance - each time you click on the Finder icon in the doc, it should spawn a new instance of the Finder. That way you need never be dogged by an unresponsive Finder window again.

Also, I'd like to seem them make killing an unresponsive app easier - the window should be greyed out when it becomes unresponsive, with a timing counting up, and a big "Kill" button.

I also would like to see closer integration between Safari, the Finder, iTunes and iPhoto, so that when you click on your Pictures folder, the Finder becomes an iPhoto window, and the iPhoto style window of scaleable thumbnails becomes a new view option for any folder. Likewise, when you click on ~/Music you should get an iTunes window. Finally, there should be a URL bar in the Finder, which allows you to enter any URL - ftp, http, smb, afp. A button should let you toggle between WebDav folder view and Safari-style Web browsing.

Finally, I'd like to see more differentiation between different types of shares - currently it's not easy in the finder to differentiate between AFP, SMB and WebDAV shares.

That's my dream Tiger - what's yours?

[Foocha]

Mail, Address Book & iCal should be integrated into a single application.

They should sort out printing HTML e-mail from Mail - it often comes out reverse for me, for some bizzare reason!

...oh yes and how about Home on an iPod - so you can log in to a home folder on your iPod - this would be a killer app.

[areyouwishing]

Originally Posted by Foocha

That's my dream Tiger - what's yours?

Im looking forward to Tiger, but what erks me is that you are paying for features that should be in the OS in the first place... just like with a lot of Panther features.

What I want:
1. Better thumbnails in the finder
2. Ability to cut and Paste a file into a different folder
3. Ability to change file names in the open and save dialogs
4. Ability to turn off some of the animation associated with windows.
5. NO MORE DOCK BOUNCING!!! Why does it take 3 bounces to open Photoshops splash screen, and my PC needs ZERO seconds (ie, click icon, see splash... instantaneously) What is the finder doing during this bouncing?
6. Faster, Panther is good... but could be better.
7. Better keyboard shortcut changing support.
8. Quicker hide dock and show dock animation.
9. Remove general Mail settings from "mail.app" and remove General Internet settings from safari... why do i have to go to Mail to change my default mail program to entourage... that should be in sys pref.
10. Windows like sharing, click on a folder, be able to share it, have a master list of what is shared in sys pref... none of this all or nothing business... unless you want to make a disk image of course... ugh.
11. True FTP support in the finder, be able to upload files with correct access.
12. The last thing I can think of... BETTER NETWORKING!!! Sheesh, why does my finder crash every time something isn't available... even when i am not using it, the finder shouldn't care until i click on the remote computers drive!!!

[stoid]

Originally Posted by Foocha

That's my dream Tiger - what's yours?

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by Foocha

Top of my wish list is the ability to launch multiple instances of the Finder, so that if your Finder freezes, you can start working with another instance

that's what i'm looking forward also.

Originally Posted by Foocha

I also would like to see closer integration between Safari, the Finder, iTunes and iPhoto, so that when you click on your Pictures folder, the Finder becomes an iPhoto window, and the iPhoto style window of scaleable thumbnails becomes a new view option for any folder. Likewise, when you click on ~/Music you should get an iTunes window. Finally, there should be a URL bar in the Finder, which allows you to enter any URL - ftp, http, smb, afp. A button should let you toggle between WebDav folder view and Safari-style Web browsing.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

i really like the idea of finder simply being an "itunes for files". if apple decides to go the microsoft route, i will simply not upgrade. panther finder is far superior to windows explorer because it's simple and doesn't try to be every f-ing app you have installed in the system.

it's great that osx has specialized apps for each task and not one try-to-do-it-all-but-fail-miserably kind of app.

[Colonel Panik]

Originally Posted by Foocha

That's my dream Tiger - what's yours?

I'd like the bugs and stupid behaviours cleaned up. For example, when an app is looking for a remote server that's gone offline, firstly the app gives the spinning wheel, and secondly the Finder then goes and does a bender, making a force quit necessary. Sometimes it gives the double dialog 'a remote server is unavailable. Do you want to disconnect', but if it doesn't, then a force quit is necessary. And that sucks.

Another thing I'd like is a 'refresh' contextual option in the finder, because windows don't automatically update, only when queried.

But my major request is that they make iChat available for Windows, and able to connect to all the different clients. Being able to iSight with a Windows MSN Messenger user would be cool. Perhaps they could integrate iChat into the OS somehow, coming up with some amazing new ways of using it.

Apart from that, I think that Panther is one cool OS.

[Hes Nikke]

Originally Posted by stoid

That would be awesome as I'd love to attend a WWDC as a CS major. Too bad I'd still have to find money for airfare.

I may have an internship with MTV or VH1 next summer so maybe I can get in free then since I'm already over there.

the funny thing is that i'm not a CS major, i just do software development mostly as a hoby (most of the higher level code in MRChat came from yours truly )

Originally Posted by stoid

BTW, what's with the hex code in your sig?

if i'm going to WWDC, i'll bet you can figure it out based on my personality type and mindeset.

Originally Posted by idkew

try www.acronymfinder.com

WINE

btw- means WINdows Emulator according to the site.

bzzz. WINE is a recursive acrynum: WINE Is Not an Emulator. basicly WINE is a reverse engeneered implimentation of the Win32s API, allowing most (but not all) windows apps to run on a non-Windows OS. (must be the same acitecture)

there is a project called DarWINE that runs on Darwin, and it will let you use apps compiled against Win32s, but they still have to be compiled for the PPC for the time being. afaik, they are working on an emulator backend to allow x86 windows apps to run on the PPC. they havn't posted any news lately (even thouth they promised it) so they could very well be working with apple to get it included with Tiger

[Savage Henry]

Personally, I'm still happy riding around with my 2 Jags. Unless it comes with free gold bullion I won't be putting a tiger in my tanks.

Although I was extremely tempted with Panther, but that soon passed.

[Elan0204]

Originally Posted by Hes Nikke (in signature)

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Originally Posted by stoid

BTW, what's with the hex code in your sig?

The translation of his signature is:

If you are deciphering this you must be really bored..