Video iPod?

MacRumors · May 14, 2004, 02:42 AM

Appleinsider claims that upcoming 4th generation iPods may have some interesting new video capabilities.

While not quite the "video iPod" that many have speculated, the rumored iPod will reportedly be able to show video clips on televisions via an advanced Dock which would provide for video-out.

Meanwhile MacPlus's iTunes Europe article from yesterday also referenced upcoming video capabilities in the iPod, but had not been otherwise confirmed.

el_aarono · May 14, 2004, 02:47 AM

Hmmm... I anticipate that the video part of the iPod will be targeted at music videos (but will be able to do other stuff as well, of course), which will then be available for download via the iTunes music store. Seems to be the next step. According to Steve J. people don't want to download full-length films, but downloading just one music video wouldn't be so bad.

That's my take on this.

-Later

sw1tcher · May 14, 2004, 02:47 AM

So can we expect to see this announced at WWDC along with new PM G5s?

Doctor Q · May 14, 2004, 02:48 AM

The article says that the iPod would operate as a firewire disk when the dock's video out connector was used. So you are just playing back any movies that happen to be stored on the iPod disk, not using the iPod's own interface (buttons and display).

This feature would certainly increase the demand for high-capacity iPods!

sw1tcher · May 14, 2004, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Q

This feature would certainly increase the demand for high-capacity iPods!

Not to mention increasiing the price of the iPod too.

Mattski · May 14, 2004, 02:55 AM

This would certainly fit in with the iTunes movie icon found in the iTunes package.

Check it out:
/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunes-movie.icns

Ja Di ksw · May 14, 2004, 02:58 AM

Ok, so if this involves a new doc, and doesn't use the iPod except as a HD, would it be possible to use the old iPods with this, assuming you bought the new doc and had a firmware update or something? Not that I would really use this, at least not that much, just interested

Veldek · May 14, 2004, 03:11 AM

Hmm, I somehow doubt this, because I can’t see me carrying not only the iPod but the whole dock to a TV, then perhaps selecting the movie while the IPod is sitting in the dock to have the connection. This doesn’t sound very Apple-like. Perhaps thay found another much easier way but I can’t think of one which involves the dock and a cable.

Trowaman · May 14, 2004, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ja Di ksw

Ok, so if this involves a new doc, and doesn't use the iPod except as a HD, would it be possible to use the old iPods with this, assuming you bought the new doc and had a firmware update or something? Not that I would really use this, at least not that much, just interested

I would think it would be just buy a new dock, or i hope so at least. Might be iPod software 3.0 which would me 4th gen only. Who knows at this point.

BrianKonarsMac · May 14, 2004, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattski

This would certainly fit in with the iTunes movie icon found in the iTunes package.

Check it out:
/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunes-movie.icns

very strange, is it for the music videos? i don't think so. Now i'm excited

.

applefans · May 14, 2004, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattski

This would certainly fit in with the iTunes movie icon found in the iTunes package.

Check it out:
/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunes-movie.icns

does that mean we may possibly purchase music TV or even movie from iTMS to be playback and store in the ipods?

ingenious · May 14, 2004, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattski

This would certainly fit in with the iTunes movie icon found in the iTunes package.

Check it out:
/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunes-movie.icns

can u post a pic of this?

whooleytoo · May 14, 2004, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattski

This would certainly fit in with the iTunes movie icon found in the iTunes package.

Check it out:
/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunes-movie.icns

It also has MPG(iTunes-mpg.icns), MPEG4 (iTunes-mpeg4.icns), and most interestingly, MPEG4 Protected (iTunes-mpeg4p.icns) - This is in addition to AAC Protected (iTunes-aacp.icns).

Beck446 · 10:23 AM

A TV out is a much better idea than playing videos on that small screen. Now if only we could put WiFi in the iPod. Anyway, surely this will start more Apple Set-top box rumors; the link here, I think, is obvious.

yoda13 · May 14, 2004, 02:50 AM

I just can't seem to save for a G5. Now I am going to have to buy one of these to add to my 1st gen iPod

Mord · May 14, 2004, 02:51 AM

This is what i said they would be like around 2 months ago "they will have no playback on screen but they will have video out" and everyone said rubbish

whooleytoo · May 14, 2004, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hector

This is what i said they would be like around 2 months ago "they will have no playback on screen but they will have video out" and everyone said rubbish

It might have a picture preview on the iPod screen, or it's feasible to have a short low-res movie preview that plays on the iPod, which is contained in the same movie.

Abstract · May 14, 2004, 02:53 AM

Quote:

The article says that the iPod would operate as a firewire disk when the dock's video out connector was used. So you are just playing back any movies that happen to be stored on the iPod disk, not using the iPod's own interface (buttons and display).

Maybe I'm missing something here, but if you have a zillion movies and small clips on your iPod, how will you choose which video to watch if you can't use the iPod to select a movie file?

Darwin · May 14, 2004, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abstract

Maybe I'm missing something here, but if you have a zillion movies and small clips on your iPod, how will you choose which video to watch if you can't use the iPod to select a movie file?

Im sure when you plug the iPod into a TV it will have a simple interface that will be shown on the TV screen that you can conrol with the iPod buttons

cube · May 14, 2004, 03:20 AM

Unless this is fully multistandard, it sucks. PAL B/NTSC is not enough.
I, for one, need PAL B/PAL N/NTSC.

ethernet76 · May 14, 2004, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cube

Unless this is fully multistandard, it sucks. PAL B/NTSC is not enough.
I, for one, need PAL B/PAL N/NTSC.

Need? Aren't all TVs NTSC compatable? Are you seriously worried about quality? Think about TVs, your standard TV has a resolution of about 1024x768. All stretched out over how many inches? Unlike monitors bigger TVs don't get better resolution.

Secondly I assume they'll use the same standards as they did for the powerbooks.

However this does make me question the "dock." I assume it will be doing all the computing and decompression of MPEG-4 and so on. How big is it going to be?

However, this would be the greatest idea ever. Finally a reason to spend $500 on an iPod. While my music collection is a mere 10 gigs, I could easily spend 50 gigs on video. I mean honestly, I hate it when going to some one's house to watch a movie for them to say, "Sorry I don't have a dvd player. I do have crocodile dundee on VHS though!"

Yes, it happend. Seriously.

Let's just hope they are well engineered unlike the gen 1 ipods and the mini.

jackc · May 14, 2004, 11:46 AM

I hope the iPod mini gets a bigger drive for those of us who just want a good music player, and not this video nonsense. Figure out a way to boost battery life, and I'll be a happy camper.

JonGraves · 12:01 PM

Take a look at the PortalPlayer web site for a description of their newer audio/jpeg/video player platforms, Since the current iPod is based on a Portalplayer chipset it is possible that future versions will be too.

Jon

www.portalplayer.com

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/I...ArticleID=7373

whooleytoo · May 14, 2004, 11:53 AM

Apple to introduce iFlicks DVD ripping software, with DRM, so the ripped movie can be transferred to one iPod. Plug the iPod into any TV via the new Dock, and you're carrying (some of) your DVD collection with you.

</loony theory>

killmoms · May 14, 2004, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethernet76

Need? Aren't all TVs NTSC compatable? Are you seriously worried about quality? Think about TVs, your standard TV has a resolution of about 1024x768. All stretched out over how many inches? Unlike monitors bigger TVs don't get better resolution.

You are grossly overestimating the resolution of standard definition TVs. An NTSC TV has about 480 lines of effective vertical resolution (additional lines are specified, but are not visible, and used for things like closed catptioning, etc.). That's why 720 x 480 re-scaled to 4:3 (640 x 480) is used for DVDs. When you output anything higher to an NTSC display, say, from your computer, it's being scaled down. That's why you can't read anything.

HDTVs are a whole 'nother ballgame.

--Cless

May 14, 2004, 02:42 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Video iPod? Appleinsider claims that upcoming 4th generation iPods may have some interesting new video capabilities. While not quite the "video iPod" that many have speculated, the rumored iPod will reportedly be able to show video clips on televisions via an advanced Dock which would provide for video-out. Meanwhile MacPlus's iTunes Europe article from yesterday also referenced upcoming video capabilities in the iPod, but had not been otherwise confirmed.

May 14, 2004, 02:47 AM	#2
el_aarono macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA	interesting... Hmmm... I anticipate that the video part of the iPod will be targeted at music videos (but will be able to do other stuff as well, of course), which will then be available for download via the iTunes music store. Seems to be the next step. According to Steve J. people don't want to download full-length films, but downloading just one music video wouldn't be so bad. That's my take on this. -Later

May 14, 2004, 02:47 AM	#3
sw1tcher macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles	Looks interesting So can we expect to see this announced at WWDC along with new PM G5s?

May 14, 2004, 02:48 AM	#4
Doctor Q macrumors god Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the table with countless relatives	The article says that the iPod would operate as a firewire disk when the dock's video out connector was used. So you are just playing back any movies that happen to be stored on the iPod disk, not using the iPod's own interface (buttons and display). This feature would certainly increase the demand for high-capacity iPods! __________________ "You've just been abducted, of course you need crepes!" -- Walter Bishop

May 14, 2004, 02:55 AM	#6
Mattski macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Australia	Movie Icon in iTunes This would certainly fit in with the iTunes movie icon found in the iTunes package. Check it out: /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunes-movie.icns __________________ If 95% of people make a bad decision, it's still a bad decision.

May 14, 2004, 02:58 AM	#7
Ja Di ksw macrumors 65816 Join Date: Apr 2003	old iPods Ok, so if this involves a new doc, and doesn't use the iPod except as a HD, would it be possible to use the old iPods with this, assuming you bought the new doc and had a firmware update or something? Not that I would really use this, at least not that much, just interested __________________ Fetch Daddy's blue fright wig! I must be handsome when I unleash my rage.

May 14, 2004, 03:11 AM	#8
Veldek macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany	Hmm, I somehow doubt this, because I can’t see me carrying not only the iPod but the whole dock to a TV, then perhaps selecting the movie while the IPod is sitting in the dock to have the connection. This doesn’t sound very Apple-like. Perhaps thay found another much easier way but I can’t think of one which involves the dock and a cable. __________________ Never ask a man what computer he uses. If it's a Mac, he'll tell you. If it's not, why embarrass him? T. Clancy PM G5 2x2.5 / Penryn MBP 2.4 / X.6

May 14, 2004, 02:49 AM	#14
Beck446 macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2003	A TV out is a much better idea than playing videos on that small screen. Now if only we could put WiFi in the iPod. Anyway, surely this will start more Apple Set-top box rumors; the link here, I think, is obvious. Last edited by Mudbug : May 14, 2004 at 10:23 AM. Reason: 'cause you weren't first. not even close.

May 14, 2004, 02:50 AM	#15
yoda13 macrumors 65816 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas	I just can't seem to save for a G5. Now I am going to have to buy one of these to add to my 1st gen iPod __________________ For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire.

May 14, 2004, 02:51 AM	#16
Mord macrumors 601 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: People's Republic of Yorkshire	This is what i said they would be like around 2 months ago "they will have no playback on screen but they will have video out" and everyone said rubbish __________________ Consider the lily.

May 14, 2004, 03:20 AM	#20
cube macrumors 68040 Join Date: May 2004	Must be fully multi-standard Unless this is fully multistandard, it sucks. PAL B/NTSC is not enough. I, for one, need PAL B/PAL N/NTSC.

May 14, 2004, 11:46 AM	#22
jackc macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2003	I hope the iPod mini gets a bigger drive for those of us who just want a good music player, and not this video nonsense. Figure out a way to boost battery life, and I'll be a happy camper.

May 14, 2004, 11:54 AM	#23
JonGraves macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Seattle WA, USA	Take a look at the PortalPlayer web site for a description of their newer audio/jpeg/video player platforms, Since the current iPod is based on a Portalplayer chipset it is possible that future versions will be too. Jon www.portalplayer.com http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/I...ArticleID=7373 Last edited by JonGraves : May 14, 2004 at 12:01 PM.

May 14, 2004, 11:53 AM	#24
whooleytoo macrumors 68040 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cork, Ireland.	Apple to introduce iFlicks DVD ripping software, with DRM, so the ripped movie can be transferred to one iPod. Plug the iPod into any TV via the new Dock, and you're carrying (some of) your DVD collection with you. </loony theory> __________________ Greenpeace Apple Mac <- Macintosh <- McIntosh apples <- John McIntosh <- McIntosh surname <- "Mac an toshach" <- "Son of the Chief"

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