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Old Apr 3, 2010, 01:09 PM   #1
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iPad VGA Accessory Limitations

I was hoping I could use the VGA cable accessory with the Netflix and ABC apps... but you can't :\ You're limited to the "Videos" app and the YouTube app it seems.

I wonder if third party developers can take advantage of this accessory or if it'll just be the first missed opportunity on the iPad I've encountered.

So just a heads up for other people who thought the cable would be a bit more useful.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 01:13 PM   #2
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I was hoping I could use the VGA cable accessory with the Netflix and ABC apps... but you can't :\ You're limited to the "Videos" app and the YouTube app it seems.

I wonder if third party developers can take advantage of this accessory or if it'll just be the first missed opportunity on the iPad I've encountered.

So just a heads up for other people who thought the cable would be a bit more useful.
Thanks for the info. I was a bit curious to what limitations the thing had. Videos is good, and so is youtube, but the netflix one is a downer indeed. Have you tried it with pages, keynote, or numbers? curious about those too...
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 01:13 PM   #3
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Keynote works also. Apple shows this on their iPad video demo

I'm looking for an answer to this also.

Can 3rd party devs take advantage of the video out? or no?
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 01:19 PM   #4
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Keynote works also. Apple shows this on their iPad video demo
Aces! Thanks! Guess we'll learn more soon....photos would be good, too!
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 03:53 PM   #5
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I tried Pages and Numbers and it didn't make use of the VGA cable... didn't buy Keynote.

I'm hoping Netflix just didn't have access to a physical iPad + VGA cable so they couldn't code/test it before today. Hopefully Apple lets them use it... in fact, I'm going to go check the dev documentation.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:06 PM   #6
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Fail... so I bought a Lost season 6 episode in HD and tried playing it on my monitor at home. It worked.

So I come to work, lunch time comes, I hook it up to the LCD we have here and got this error: "The connected display is not authorized to play protected movies"

So we had to watch it off of the iPad screen instead.

Also, none of the "digital copies" (that some bluray movies include) worked either.

So...

1) What's the point of preventing me from hooking the iPad up to *some* monitors but not others? Especially when I don't *need* the monitor to view videos?

2) Doesn't this kind of thing push people to piracy?

I'm going to try a Lost S6 episode in standard def and see if it works. If not, the VGA cable is going back to the store.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:10 PM   #7
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Sounds like to me it has something to do with the HDCP compliances and it not working over the VGA adapter.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:11 PM   #8
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Sounds like to me it has something to do with the HDCP compliances and it not working over the VGA adapter.
The dock connector cable probably will work.

I don't have anything protected to try or I would for you.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:21 PM   #9
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Fail... so I bought a Lost season 6 episode in HD and tried playing it on my monitor at home. It worked.

So I come to work, lunch time comes, I hook it up to the LCD we have here and got this error: "The connected display is not authorized to play protected movies"

So we had to watch it off of the iPad screen instead.

Also, none of the "digital copies" (that some bluray movies include) worked either.

So...

1) What's the point of preventing me from hooking the iPad up to *some* monitors but not others? Especially when I don't *need* the monitor to view videos?

2) Doesn't this kind of thing push people to piracy?

I'm going to try a Lost S6 episode in standard def and see if it works. If not, the VGA cable is going back to the store.
The digital copies that come with dvds and blu-rays weren't encoded for playback on the iPad as it wasn't in the wild yet.

No doubt they will in the future
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The digital copies that come with dvds and blu-rays weren't encoded for playback on the iPad as it wasn't in the wild yet.

No doubt they will in the future
They work when played off of the iPad screen directly - not sure if that's what you meant.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:24 PM   #11
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They work when played off of the iPad screen directly - not sure if that's what you meant.
misread your post. My bad.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:26 PM   #12
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Wow, that sucks. I was hoping to use it with an external display for email and web.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:43 PM   #13
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Update: The Lost SD episode works fine with the VGA cable. It's definitely the HDCP compliance issue but still, it's just a pointless limitation.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:58 PM   #14
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I was hoping I could use the VGA cable accessory with the Netflix and ABC apps... but you can't :\ You're limited to the "Videos" app and the YouTube app it seems.

I wonder if third party developers can take advantage of this accessory or if it'll just be the first missed opportunity on the iPad I've encountered.

So just a heads up for other people who thought the cable would be a bit more useful.
Doesn't seem to work with an iPhone, either.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 01:18 PM   #15
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Everything I have read as a developer is that video out CAN work on any third party app as long as the developer has built in that functionality. So, hopefully that means in future that people can make some good third party apps for it.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 01:33 PM   #16
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Web demos via VGA?

So, I take it that it's not possible to display a web page from Safari on the iPad via the VGA connector? Major dealbreaker if a sales presentations involves a web demo.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 01:44 PM   #17
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Man, there should be a mode to simply mirror the screen.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 06:12 PM   #18
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Man, there should be a mode to simply mirror the screen.
Agreed... for some reason they put the power of the VGA cable in the hands of developers rather than have some global guaranteed functionality.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 06:51 PM   #19
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Have you tried on Photo? Could you view Slide Show from Photo app?

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Old Apr 5, 2010, 06:55 PM   #20
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Update: The Lost SD episode works fine with the VGA cable. It's definitely the HDCP compliance issue but still, it's just a pointless limitation.


Same thing with pc. HD media can only be played over encrypted connections
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 07:35 PM   #21
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Any thoughts on why Safari can't use the VGA? Is it technical or does Apple have some business motivation, perhaps to not compete with Macbooks.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 07:37 PM   #22
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Update: The Lost SD episode works fine with the VGA cable. It's definitely the HDCP compliance issue but still, it's just a pointless limitation.
They do the hdcp so you can't hook up a product down stream that can record the HD content. Honestly I think it's stupid, but it's the media companies.
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 09:01 PM   #23
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I talked with CSR and they said that all HD movies should play perfectly fine over any monitor that is hooked up with VGA Cable.
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Old Apr 6, 2010, 08:34 AM   #24
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They do the hdcp so you can't hook up a product down stream that can record the HD content. Honestly I think it's stupid, but it's the media companies.
Thanks for the explanation. If people want to copy HD content, they'll find a way :/


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I talked with CSR and they said that all HD movies should play perfectly fine over any monitor that is hooked up with VGA Cable.
I tried four fairly new monitors at work. Both Dell and HP. Google says it's also an issue that affects Apple TV and even other macs too. Maybe I'll contact Apple too and see what they say.
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Old Apr 9, 2010, 02:21 PM   #25
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No Safari Over VGA?

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/09/real-...nec/#continued

Tuaw has a nice article on making presentation via VGA. What I find disappointing is that Safari won't display. I've been planning to use Keynote and Safari for an orientation program. Looks like I'll stick with my MBP for that purpose and hope I can at least run my Mac via the iPad. Maybe that will be better as I won't be tethered to the A/V kiosk.
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