Apple Argued Safari Is Three Different Browsers to Avoid Regulation

[Shirasaki]

Other engines = security issues on the platform + tracking.

Typical automatic deflection of the real scale of this issue.

Just ditch EU market, oversaturate neighbour countries and watch how they quickly take all their demands back after europeans had to gray import Apple for couple years.

People have been calling Apple to ditch EU since who knows when. Guess what happened in the last decade or even before that. Wonder why there is no action yet. Hmmm…🧐

To spread harmful apps and pirated games.

99,9% of people don’t need it. But it seems EU is hell bent on turning iOS into Android like cesspool if garbage and there is no stopping them.

All social media apps are harmful apps. Games stealing other assets to create are pretty much pirated games. Both of which exist in droves in TODAY’s locked down App Store with no sign of improving. EU bending Apple to their will can actually force Apple to know how they can operate, which I support.

And they will still be buying, but on gray market for x1.5 price. This will quickly make them push their authorities to retract demands. Demand for Apple tech isn't dropping when Apple pulls out.

You will be absolutely amazed on how adaptive europeans are in terms of smartphones. They are not going to lose sleep over missing access to iPhone.

 

[nvmls]

Yeah, just as I thought, there's nothing behind "inferiority" claim.

Of course there is, there are tons of threads in MR only.

Ultimately by trying almost every other browser in macOS, you would see for yourself.

You cant even block ads without paying for a substandard extension.

Privacy bla bla.

 

[schneeland]

I'm also three different people.

Three kobolds in a trench coat?

 

[swingerofbirch]

The insanity defense of multiple personality disorder rarely works.

 

[nvmls]

Dumb legal argument, but honestly do we want to live in a world completely dominated by Chromium?

Of course not, but sadly Safari is pretty bad as is. Not long ago, the webkit development pace got called out by the web dev community. Fast forward to today, you'd think they've actually improved it.

 

[rforno]

"Dear readers, there really are 3 Safaris so your criticism isn't justified. Your'e just interpreting this wrong."

"Courage is needed to interpret this correctly."

(couldn't resist...)

 

[hans1972]

If people want to install non-WebKit browsers on your non-Mac platforms, let them, Apple. Quit dragging your feet.

It will be much worse for us who do use Safari, especially on the Mac.
For us it is important that Apple are allowed to deny other browser engines.

 

[Steve686]

I seem to be doing exactly the same thing on all 3 “versions” of Safari, not anything ”entirely different” as Apple states is the case.

 

[hans1972]

I find it amusing that you are actually pretending for people to be limited to an inferior engine, thats the best Apple can come up with? I guess it shows, yea.

Some of us doesn't want the web to be an application platform, but wants native applications.
Everything which makes the web worse for applications are a good thing.

 

[lartola]

I honestly don’t really care. A majority of people use Chrome on all of their platforms. They aren’t blocked just not the default browser.

Not exactly. At least within Apple’s ecosystem, except for the macs, people are using a “google chrome” that isn’t really google chrome because devs are forced to use Apple’s webkit, whose backbone is actually Safari. In other words, google chrome in iOS and iPadOS is just apple’s own Safari disguised as google chrome, not the actual google chrome.

 

[TracerAnalog]

And yet people prefer them over Safari, Apple must be doing a great job.

People use TikTok and Facebook in droves… does that make it safe then? 😑

 

[djphat2000]

If you used other browsers you would know.

I actually use it, Firefox, Edge and Chrome. Personally I stick with Safari for MOST of my browsing. For other work related things that tend to prefer "chromium", I'll use those for that. And Firefox if either of the others acts weird. Some pages just don't load right (off center, or not showing the whole page properly). So I tend to find a browser that works best if any of them are off target if you will. But, for the most part. I use Safari the most. The most tabs open in it, and my first go to browser. On Windows it's Google Chrome. Then Firefox THEN Edge. Cause M$ just knows how to mess up a good dream.

 

[MrMacintoshIII]

Thank you EU for doing what the rest of the world can't be bothered to do.

They do certain things we won’t, but we also do certain things they won’t. Like work really really hard with few to no benefits.

 

[JosephAW]

And the lightning port uses 7 different cables.

 

[nvmls]

Some of us doesn't want the web to be an application platform, but wants native applications.
Everything which makes the web worse for applications are a good thing.

Sure, let's kill Safari web dev support, which is as bad as it can be already & then complain devs target Chromium forks. Good one.

 

[zach-coleman]

I usually am on the side of the EU, but I find this to be pretty short sighted. Breaking the Apple "monopoly" in this case is just going to replace it with a Google one for the entire internet. That being said, Apple's argument here is ridiculous.

 

[djphat2000]

You will be absolutely amazed on how adaptive europeans are in terms of smartphones. They are not going to lose sleep over missing access to iPhone.

This kind of speaks volumes in favor of Apple leaving the market in the EU. If no one is going to lose sleep over it. Then no need to sell any iPhones in the EU. Seems like everyone would win then. Apple can go kick rocks in flip flops. And peddle their phones in neighboring non-EU countries. Those that want it can get it via the black market or from overseas. I'm sure the market for it will be small. And the EU will not care.

 

[nvmls]

People use TikTok and Facebook in droves… does that make it safe then? 😑

But I thought people bought iPhones because Privacy™.

 

[TracerAnalog]

People whining that this will destroy iPhone and then turn around and use their completely open Mac

The difference is the user base, and the potential ease of acces to privacy relevant information for nefarious actors and bad governments. Totally different. Also, and this is a big one: if people are not careful with what they install, they might be giving away information about ME. Bank accounts, contact info, meetings, locations… everything where I have interacted (digitally) with others. THAT is what I’m bothered about.

 

[klasma]

Google’s stranglehold of web browser technology will be complete once EU forces Apple to allow third party engines on iPhone. At the moment, Safari is the only real world alternative for Google’s technology.

Google will release native Chromium, and Chrome and Edge will start using it.

Well done, EU, especially when they are doing this to “foster innovation and competition” 😂

EU is delusional if they think that new web browser engines will emerge because of this. They do not emerge even now; not for Windows, not for Mac, not for Android. Even Microsoft gave up the development of their own because it’s insanely complex.

I find it amusing that MacRumours forum members are actually rooting for this.

Firefox user here.

 

[Wildkraut]

Bwahaha in would love to sit by in one of these Apple crisis meetings and laugh out loud, and watch Tim Cook getting pale.

We need one of these funny hitler movie parodies for this “Apple vs EU”.

 

[klasma]

Apple should follow Nintendo and release Safari Red, Green, and Blue.

 

[klasma]

I hope they like Electron apps, because that’s what’s coming next.

That’s what many iOS apps already are, effectively.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Just ditch EU market, oversaturate neighbour countries and watch how they quickly take all their demands back after europeans had to gray import Apple for couple years.

Apple sales in EU are ~100 billion USD. That’s 25% of total sales World wide. Tim and team would fly out of office at the next shareholders meeting latest, if they lose 25% market in one night. Apple share would drop the same 25% or more.

Do you have other brilliant ideas?

 

[Cromulent]

Chrome and Safari are already both Webkit. You should use Firefox if you want to oppose the Webkit monopoly.

Chrome used to be WebKit but it hasn't been since about 2013 when they forked WebKit and created Blink instead.