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Apple and Nevada energy company NV Energy today announced a new agreement that will see the two partnering to build 200 megawatts of additional solar energy in Nevada by 2019, which will support Apple's data center in Reno, Nevada.

NV Energy will soon enter into a power purchase agreement for the solar power plant, and in the future, Apple will dedicate up to five megawatts of power to NV's upcoming subscription solar program.

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Image of Apple's Reno data center via the Reno Gazette-Journal
"Investing in innovative clean energy sources is vital to Apple's commitment to reaching, and maintaining, 100 percent renewable energy across all our operations," said Apple's vice president for environment, policy and social initiatives Lisa Jackson. "Our partnership with NV Energy helps assure our customers their iMessages, FaceTime video chats and Siri inquiries are powered by clean energy, and supports efforts to offer the choice of green energy to Nevada residents and businesses."
Apple has expanded its Reno data center multiple times over the course of the last few years, and is working on a second data center at the same location. Apple's data centers, including the Reno center, are powered by renewable energy, much of which is derived from solar panel farms located nearby the centers.

Apple started building a Reno solar farm back in 2013, and will now expand on it.

Article Link: Apple to Build 200 Megawatts of Solar Energy in Nevada Through NV Energy Partnership
 

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Powered by 100% solar energy...except for in the night when its powered by nuclear or coal most likely. At least with companies like Tesla they can charge batteries in the day time but with Apple their data centres don't shut down when the sun goes down
 
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mw360

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Powered by 100% solar energy...except for in the night when its powered by nuclear or coal most likely. At least with companies like Tesla they can charge batteries in the day time but with Apple their data centres don't shut down when the sun goes down

The solar farms produce enough excess during the day to offset the non-solar usage at night. That means somewhere less coal or uranium is getting burned to the same degree or better than if the solar plant could run during the night. Since all the energy gets mixed into the grid anyway, it doesn't make any sense to talk about where the energy actually goes and comes from. So long as it's made cleanly, the right customer pays for it, and some dirty energy is scaled back to compensate.

I can't speak for the US energy grid but other countries are developing batteries in the 200MW range to address the future issue of supply peaks failing to meet demand peaks.
 

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Powered by 100% solar energy...except for in the night when its powered by nuclear or coal most likely. At least with companies like Tesla they can charge batteries in the day time but with Apple their data centres don't shut down when the sun goes down

Consider that the Tesla Gigafactory will be running 24/7, It's not like Robots go to sleep at night :p

As mw360 mentioned, the Solar Farms can offset the non-solar usage at night with the excess generated throughout the day.

That's where Tesla's Microgrid batteries (Powerpacks), come in.
 

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The solar farms produce enough excess during the day to offset the non-solar usage at night.
That is pure garbage. The amount of power that needs to be generated at night remains constant and solar power has little impact on that. Power usage at night si actually frustrating for everybody involved in energy generation because often the light loads end up being handled in very inefficient ways.
That means somewhere less coal or uranium is getting burned to the same degree or better than if the solar plant could run during the night.
First; off Uranium is not burned, the heat for the steam generators is generated via nuclear processes.

Second; the amount of solar energy generated in this country is a tiny fraction of what is needed to power the country. That tiny contribution to the electrical grid comes with a massive waste of land space, often in areas with sensitive ecosystems.
Since all the energy gets mixed into the grid anyway, it doesn't make any sense to talk about where the energy actually goes and comes from.
Sure it does because stupid things like people thinking nuclear energy is dangerous can be addressed. We can address the massive waste of land space that the huge solar farms cause and the negative impacts such farms have on the planet.
So long as it's made cleanly, the right customer pays for it, and some dirty energy is scaled back to compensate.
Scaling back on coal isn't a bad idea. What is a bad idea is scaling back on coal so rapidly that you literally destroy communities built up around the coal mines. If the government is going to press such a policy they really need to address the harm they cause to people involved in the industry. In this regard the past administration failed massively.
I can't speak for the US energy grid but other countries are developing batteries in the 200MW range to address the future issue of supply peaks failing to meet demand peaks.

There are all sorts of utility scale battery projects going on. I believe GE is not utility scale batteries but the problem here is the efficiency and safety of such systems. Lithium batteries in cell phones can fail spectacularly but imagine a battery failure where you store a million times more energy. I honestly don't see batteries a as a long timer solution.

The only real solution to energy independence is with the nuclear technologies. That can mean safer fission reactors but the real long term solution is fusion reactors which government should be heavily involved in pushing the various designs forward. Nuclear is the only way to clean electricity while controlling land use and the negative side effects of solar electric. Anybody that takes a serious look at population growth, power demands and the various solutions vs risks would be demanding a massive investment in new nuclear solutions.
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Consider that the Tesla Gigafactory will be running 24/7, It's not like Robots go to sleep at night :p

As mw360 mentioned, the Solar Farms can offset the non-solar usage at night with the excess generated throughout the day.

That's where Tesla's Microgrid batteries (Powerpacks), come in.
Come on guys there is no solar excess. The amount of solar power generated during the day is a tiny fraction of what is used energy wise in this country on a daily basis. Frankly there never will be as people wise up to the horrible use of limited land mass from these systems.

By the way I'm not against solar electric completely. What I'm against is wasting land mass for nothing more than these massive solar electric plants.

One thing that would go a long way to solving problems are building regulations that demand solar electric integration in all new buildings. For homes simply demand 1000 watts of solar power per 1000 sq feet of home. That isn't exactly a lot of solar power either but if every new home built required tax much integrated power it would go a long ways to reducing the use of coal. The thing is 1000 watts of solar power per 1000sq feet, isn't a huge cost burden on a new house.

Part of the problem in this country at least is the grasping at a massive project as a solution to a particular problem. Sometimes that is justifiable but there is often smaller solutions, that spread around, are less disruptive and frankly less hideous. So in my mind Apple is getting it half right most of the time. They sometimes do building integration but just as often build these rather stupid solar farms that are pretty disruptive to the environment.
 

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That is pure garbage. The amount of power that needs to be generated at night remains constant

Grid demand at night is much lower than during the daytime. Peak solar hours correspond fairly well (but not perfectly) with peak demand hours in most regions.

Power usage at night si actually frustrating for everybody involved in energy generation because often the light loads end up being handled in very inefficient ways.

That's true. Solar, along with storage technologies, helps with this by flattening out the peaks and troughs in demand across the day. That means less need to start and stop gas peaker plants and less need to keep plants idling as spinning reserve, which can be expensive and wasteful.

Second; the amount of solar energy generated in this country is a tiny fraction of what is needed to power the country. That tiny contribution to the electrical grid comes with a massive waste of land space, often in areas with sensitive ecosystems.

Nonsense. The daily energy demand for the entire USA could be supplied by about 11 million acres of solar panels. That's equivalent to a small corner of Nevada, which has plenty of sunny empty desert available!

In fact, a small section of the Sahara desert could power the entire planet's energy demand.

Obviously we don't yet have the ability to store and transmit it efficiently/cheaply enough for 100% solar to be a reality, but the point is that the amount of potential energy available via solar is enormous.

Sure it does because stupid things like people thinking nuclear energy is dangerous can be addressed.

Nuclear energy is certainly less dangerous than highly polluting alternatives like coal, but it is very expensive. Nobody would be bothering much with solar, gas, or coal if nuclear was cheap and easy. Unfortunately it's not.
 
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True, Apple doesn't power down their data center at night, but modern servers have a huge variance in power usage depending on system load. I did large scale video processing a few jobs back. Think thousands of servers around the world spitting out videos in different formats for set top and mobile devices. Your servers are working hard when your customers are awake sending you content and they sit fairly idle when your customers are sleeping. Modern servers have really solid power saving functionality. When people are uploading tons of files to iCloud, downloading new apps, or just signing into iCloud Apple's servers are probably running decently hot. 3am: not so much.

Here's a Tom's Hardware breakdown on a 1U Intel Xeon 2600 v3s system, which is pretty standard stuff:

Idle: 91W
Full load: 528W

Granted you don't usually run your servers at 100% unless you're doing image/video processing workloads, but you get the point here. Their datacenter can easily drop power usage by 1/2 at night. Peak loads in the day on power grids are crazy. Most places use natural gas generators to supplement their baseline generation. Natural gas is cleaner than coal, but still not the best stuff. Natural gas in your water post fracking is less than great. Generating large amounts of solar during the day absolutely offsets other forms of energy generation.

source: paid a power bill more expensive than a lot of houses
 
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That is pure garbage. The amount of power that needs to be generated at night remains constant and solar power has little impact on that. Power usage at night si actually frustrating for everybody involved in energy generation because often the light loads end up being handled in very inefficient ways.

I've no idea how this backs up you 'pure garbage' claim. If Apple is sharing x hundred excess megawatts into the grid during daylight hours, then somewhere else a power station can ramp down its output during those same hours by x hundred megawatts.

I think you're saying that isn't fair because the overnight usage, necessarily brings with the the baggage of overnight inefficiencies. Yeah, I could concede that and deduct, what 10% of Apple's kudos? Hardly merits a 'total garbage' though does it?

If I didn't want to concede that point, I'd point out that oversupply is really just a problem for fuel-based energy suppliers and it's their problem to solve, not pass blame onto customers. They get suitably punished in their margins, so the free market is applying the pressure there.
First; off Uranium is not burned, the heat for the steam generators is generated via nuclear processes.

Come on, I know that. Creative license for the sake of brevity.

They rest I'd love to chat about, but time is short for me right now.
 
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