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I agree. Another dick move by Apple.
I can't imagine Apple is doing this on purpose. They gain nothing by excluding countries. It's more likely some ridiculous licensing or lawyer babble at work here they could not avoid (yet).
About this:
I agree. Another dick move by Apple.
I *HAVE* to imagine that there is a misreading here - if local storage is disallowed, then there is no purpose for having a higher-cost, higher-capacity model. I'm imagining that it will only download the resources it needs, but that certain "resource packs" will be able to be flagged "cache locally". But that the local storage isn't guaranteed.
i.e. Similar to the Pebble Time's storage method - it would load an app only once you actually try to use it, and keep it stored locally until the storage space is required for something else. (So if you only use apps that require a combined total of less than 32 GB, they'll all be stored locally all the time; but if you download a 10 GB app, then a second 10 GB app, then a THIRD 10 GB app, the AppleTV would automatically purge some of the data from your least-recently-used app to make room for the newest app.)
Earlier today Apple revealed the long-awaited fourth-generation Apple TV, which includes an App Store that allows developers to create apps and games for users to download. The new Apple TV also comes with either 32 GB or 64 GB of local storage. However, Apple's new App Programming Guide for tvOS, first spotted by developer Steve Troughton-Smith, includes some interesting insights into how developers can use that storage. For instance, apps are limited to 200 MB of local storage.
This means that each app is limited to a 200 MB shell that downloads the assets it needs to run whenever necessary. The new Apple TV, despite having a base of 32 GB of storage, does not have persistent local storage, which means that each time an app is in use it has to make a request to iCloud to re-download the assets it needs to run.
As noted by MacRumors' sister site TouchArcade, it's likely this decision stems from iOS 9's App Thinning, which reduces the size of apps so that users don't use as much of their local storage on their devices. Apple TV apps are universal apps, allowing developers to create one app that can work on iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad and Apple TV. However, because the apps are universal apps, the overall storage size of the app includes assets that aren't entirely relevant for each device. For instance, an iPhone user would have no need for the iPad or Apple TV assets for an app on their iPhone, and an Apple TV user would have no need for iPad or Apple Watch assets on their Apple TV.
Additionally, as noted by Troughton-Smith, Apple has revealed in its programming guide that the new Apple TV has 2 GB of RAM. Normally, Apple declines to publicly reveal how much RAM its iOS-based devices include. For instance, the discovery of how much RAM is in each new iPhone model is regularly speculated about until a teardown or speed test from a third-party can determine it independently.
The new Apple TV will begin shipping in nearly 80 countries at the end of October. The new Siri Remote is only available in the United States, United Kingdom, France, Spain, Germany, Canada and Australia. Other countries will receive a remote that replaces the Siri with a Search app. The new Apple TV is priced at $149 for the 32 GB version and $199 for the 64 GB version.
Article Link: Apple TV App Size Limited to 200 MB Local Storage, Has 2 GB RAM
Yep...go right ahead and jump to your WRONG conclusion there and start bad mouthing a product that you haven't even learned about.
Every time I launch Netflix, the Apple TV will have to perform a software update? That sounds incredibly inefficient.
Please correct me if I'm wrong in how I interpreted that...
Looks like apple will not have the first 4k under the hood
I can't imagine Apple is doing this on purpose. They gain nothing by excluding countries. It's more likely some ridiculous licensing or lawyer babble at work here they could not avoid (yet).
There is. Netflix already offers 4K on some "Smart" TVs. YouTube has 4K (and even 8K!) content.Like there is 4K content to stream.
Like there is 4K content to stream.
Pretty well said.I am an indie cinematographer and pretty staunchly against 4K television, as we can barely get good 1080p quality outside of bluray. Compression on 1080i cable is just abysmal with macro blocking everywhere. iTunes Store content looks terrific for how compressed it is, but it can be a lot better.
All THAT said, the weirdest thing about the AppleTV not supporting 4K is that the iPhone 6S SHOOTS 4K. I expect it will be pretty compressed footage, but it is strange to sell people on 4K shooting and give absolutely no way to ever see it in 4K. You would HAVE to take your footage out of the iOS ecosystem and onto OSX to ever see it at that resolution.
So, from a consumer standpoint, I could see one of the strongest reasons for owning a 4K TV to be viewing their home videos as they were shot. Apple should have made that possible, otherwise, they should have just focused on the new iPhone shooting more crisp 1080p footage down-rezed from 4K to save precious storage space and work alongside the rest of the eco-system. I shoot a Canon C100 into an external ProRes HQ recorder. It works in this way. Captures 1080p off of a 4K sensor. It is absolutely glorious 1080p that is sharp as a tack.
Pretty well said.
Only thing I'll add is that, besides the obvious strangeness of being able to shoot 4K on an iPhone but not being able to view it on a TV using an apple device in its native resolution, I expect Apple won't update it to 4K till over 50% of households have a 4K set. They dragged their feet releasing a 1080p Apple TV as well.
So what point is there in the 64GB model then?
They should apply the same logic to the phone/pad OS.
I don't understand why the app is forced to re-download assets > 200 MB on every launch. Why can't those assets only get wiped if the system requires it (i.e. storage is full)?
This makes absolutely NO sense. If I can already use Siri in english on my iPhone 5S, in Portugal, why on earth should I be barred to do so on a hypothetical Apple TV I may buy? WHY? I don't have access to a lot of Siri-provided services here, but the ones that are available are well worth it, even considering I have to speak to it in english (my accent was already good enough to begin with, but it's always a good for training it further… And Siri's accuracy seems to be getting better, too).
IMHO, Apple has no excuse and are risking sales with… I won't even call it a dick move. It's their stupidest move ever regarding Siri, and if it was due to legal issues, I'd expect nothing short of a public apology and explanation.
Also, Netflix just arrived in Portugal very recently or will very shortly (maybe it was just announced and will arrive in October, that's probably it). Seriously, it *doesn't* add up at all!
It has nothing to do with your mastery of English. It has to do with not tuning Siri to be smart enough to search through Portuguese Netflix, etc. Your local content is different, and dealing with proper names/movie titles etc. is HARD.
Curious why you think you are deserving of a public apology. Not all features are available in all markets. End of story.
I genuinely don't know who this product is for, and who is buying it.
Do we have sales numbers in the USA and Europe (for previous Apple TV generations)?
Netflix and such can be seen directly on any Smart TV.
Those with older TVs probably have an 'Internet Box', at least in Europe, that will basically do everything the Apple TV does except AirPlay.
(Not sure on the Mac side, but any recent PC can display wirelessly on any recent TV with WiDi and such. It even works with a basic now-abandoned WinRT Tablet).
And those with none of the above can purchase super cheap dongle such as Chromecast.
So is the core market people wanting to rent or purchase movies on iTunes?