Plus points it’s 6K so a retina display at half the cost of the Pro Display XDR with stand. On the downside the camera is ugly and unlike the Pro Display XDR it doesn’t have mini LED backlighting and I don’t think it is a true 10 bit panel either (Dell’s mini LED 10 bit 4K panel, the UP3221Q, costs significantly more). It looks more like a 6K version of their 4K video conferencing monitor, the U3223QZ.
FRL doesn't have anything to do with the bit depth of the panel.
FRL means Fixed Rate Link which is the connection method for HDMI 2.1 as opposed to TMDS which is the connection method for HDMI/DVI.
If it said FRC, then that would definitely affect the bit depth of the panel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate_control
6144x3456@60Hz requires a pixel clock of 1327 MHz (assuming CVT-RB2 timing calculation).
That means HBR2 4:2:0 8bpc or DSC@12bpp (HBR2 or HDMI 2.1 (6Gbps)) or HBR3 6bpc or UHBR13.5 or HDMI 2.1 (12 Gbps) is required for 60Hz.
What's the lowest refresh rate it can support?
Can it support chroma sub sampling 4:2:0 or 4:2:2?
Does it support dual link SST modes (dual tile for 5K and dual tile for 6K) over Thunderbolt 3/4 like the XDR can for GPUs that don't support DSC? It supports Thunderbolt downstream DisplayPort output, which might mean that it does not support dual link SST modes. The XDR doesn't have a downstream Thunderbolt port because it uses the second Thunderbolt port internally for the second DisplayPort connection to support dual link SST modes. I suppose the Dell display could be smarter than the XDR and allow dual link SST mode when a display is not connected to the downstream Thunderbolt port.
I hope LG sees the potential in this panel for a Mac display. I really like their 24MD. It’s so well thought out for Max users; just way too small for me.
But since nothing has been announced yet, there’s a good chance I’ll buy this Dell. If you want a 32” HiDPI display, it’s this or the Pro Display XDR.
Plus points it’s 6K so a retina display at half the cost of the Pro Display XDR with stand. On the downside the camera is ugly and unlike the Pro Display XDR it doesn’t have mini LED backlighting and I don’t think it is a true 10 bit panel either (Dell’s mini LED 10 bit 4K panel, the UP3221Q, costs significantly more). It looks more like a 6K version of their 4K video conferencing monitor, the U3223QZ.
The 14.2” and 16.2” XDR displays used with 14”/16” M1/M2 Pro/Max MBPs is miniLED based. See https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ Just because Apple doesn’t say that now doesn’t change anything.
My mistake I meant zones rather than mini led. The point is though the Dell 6K display looks more like their video conferencing monitor (the U3223QZ) with a 6k display rather than a 4K display. Dell’s mini led 10 bit display, the UP3221Q, is the one with a lot of zones (nearly four times those for the Pro Display XDR). However that has a much higher MSRP of $5,030, though you can pick it up for around $4,000. Apart from resolution I don’t think the Dell 6k display is competing with the Apple Pro Display XDR, but at about half the price you wouldn’t expect it to. This does not mean it is a bad display, far from it. A much cheaper 32 inch Retina display is what a number of Apple users have been asking for. I just wish it wasn’t so ugly.
We are talking about Dell 32" 6K screen so if someone mentions XDR display its assumed that its the 32" Apple XDR display. Not the laptop ones. And as such 32" XDR (clarified here just for you!) is not MiniLED.
The 14.2” and 16.2” XDR displays used with 14”/16” M1/M2 Pro/Max MBPs is miniLED based. See https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ Just because Apple doesn’t say that now doesn’t change anything.
Absolutely! I think we need more manufacturers to jump on the retina bandwagon as we will only gain. Once there is more options for customers we will all be happier as we wouldn't have to pay the insane prices Apple is asking for. Until now, all the retina displays were pretty much Apple only so this (and the Samsung S9) is the step into right direction.
And yes, this display is ugly but the assumption here is that the panel will eventually make it into one of those 3223Q versions that don't have the camera so that is what I would love to get.
I'm just excited that we get options as XDR for $5k without a stand is an absolute joke.
My mistake I meant zones rather than mini led. The point is though the Dell 6K display looks more like their video conferencing monitor (the U3223QZ) with a 6k display rather than a 4K display. Dell’s mini led 10 bit display, the UP3221Q, is the one with a lot of zones (nearly four times those for the Pro Display XDR). However that has a much higher MSRP of $5,030, though you can pick it up for around $4,000. Apart from resolution I don’t think the Dell 6k display is competing with the Apple Pro Display XDR, but at about half the price you wouldn’t expect it to. This does not mean it is a bad display, far from it. A much cheaper 32 inch Retina display is what a number of Apple users have been asking for. I just wish it wasn’t so ugly.
Thanks for posting that. And nice to see it's listed less cyptically this time (see screenshot)
The 20% discount you're assuming seems reasonable, since I filtered Dell's site for Ultrasharp monitors, and nearly all were indeed discounted 20%. But how long do you think it will take before a discount shows up for this one, particularly given its premium nature?
I don't know if this holds true for all monitors, but I just checked archive.org for the U3223QE and U2723QE product pages, and both were released in February and discounted 20% in March.
Agreed -- at $2400 discounted, its 32" size makes it a strong competitor for the ASD (especially for those who want a matte screen and tilt-adjustable monitor).
Though I personally prefer glossy screens for desktops because I can control the light in my room, and glossy screens have sharper text and avoid the "snowfield" effect. Hopefully the Dell will use a very light matte finish.
As others have mentioned, just as Dell followed the 32" 4k U3223QE ($1280 MSRP), which seems to have same forehead speakers & camera as the 32 "6k, with an identical version without them a few months later (U3223QE, $860 MSRP), they may do the same for the 32" 6k. If the latter has the same ~$400 price reduction, then its MSRP would be $2600, giving ~$2100 at 20% off.
If this thing seriously gets priced in the low $2k range, then Apple should be embarrassed for their XDR and ACD. They're both such ripoffs that it makes Apple look like a bunch of con artists in comparison. It's legit offensive.