FCP4..... anyone know anything?

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  1. UnixMac macrumors 6502

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    I am gonna the plunge for FCP3 (my wife can get it for $299, educator discount)... but I hear that an FCP4 is comming out soon.... anyone know if its worth the wait, or is it just hard core stuff that a home user won't need anyway?

    thanks
     
  2. Computer_Phreak macrumors 6502

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    Re: FCP4..... anyone know anything?

    I'd probably wait.... check out www.thinksecret.com
    they have some rumors about FCP4 and generally, they are 95% correct.


    EDIT:
    http://www.thinksecret.com/news/finalcutpro4.html
    take a look and decide for yourself
     
  3. mymemory macrumors 68020

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    No

    I haven been able to crack FCP3 yet, I hope they change the security of 4. :D
     
  4. Computer_Phreak macrumors 6502

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    Re: No

    Well, FCP 3 is quite easy to crack, and there are actually lots of people out there with a cracked version....
    Not that I would know :D
     
  5. UnixMac thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Seems like on a program that expensive, Apple would have some kind of spyware that will poison the program if you don't have the original.

    I hear Adobe does that too.
     
  6. springscansing macrumors 6502a

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    Apple does not implement any sort of ultra-insane copy protection on ANY of their products. I run a Carracho server, and yeah, I have a working copy of FCP3. *shrug*

    The thing is, 99% of people who DL FCP3 illegally would've never bought it anyway. They're mostly stupid teenagers trying to edit together some skateboarding or porn. And since iMovie is free, they'd be nuts to buy FCP anyway for most things. iMovie is great for most consumers.
     
  7. Wano macrumors 6502

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    Your comment is kind of out of line....I agree that downloading software is not a good way to go....but, most teenagers don't have a thoushand dollars to spend on software, i sure don't...but, don't underestimate young video filmers and editors, i am only 17 and i love to edit and i don't edit porn.
     
  8. UnixMac thread starter macrumors 6502

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    his comment may have a bit of ad hominem, but the fact is that if the people who were DL(ing) FCP and Adobe Photoshop were serious users, Apple and Adobe would be more interested in getting them to stop.... it is the fact that most professionals have to license their product that keeps things in harmony... I think that the minute we start getting Pro's steeling software, Congress will pass a law making at a felony with jail time to DL a $50 shareware.
     
  9. Doctor Q Administrator

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    So, it looks like Apple went down (Final Cut Express) instead of up (Final Cut Pro 4). So they have a product positioned between $0 iMovie and $1000 FCP3.

    Students and teachers can get the full version for the same price as FCE (unless they discount it for education too).

    For everyone else doing DV format editing, I can't tell for sure what advantages there would be to getting the full version. It could be that FCE doesn't include OfflineRT, for example. They don't mention that explicitly. Can anyone confirm?
     
  10. UnixMac thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I paid only $299 for my FCP 3 so I don't feel burnt for once... although I would have like to wait a month or so for that 17" PB.. oh well... I figure this way they can get the bugs out of it before I buy my duel 1.5Ghz version next year.
     
  11. madamimadam macrumors 65816

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    The question states "is it just hard core stuff that a home user won't need anyway".

    I think that if you are just a home user you should just get FC Express and save yourself even more money.
     
  12. UnixMac thread starter macrumors 6502

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    For the average user buying FCX would be the smart thing as it doesn 99% more than most consumer movie makers out there on wintel and apple... however, if you can get the edu version of FCP... for only $50 more dollars you get some great features like Log & Batch Capture, Time Code edit, and better color correction, but to name a few... The edu cost of FCX is 249 and FCP 300.. so it's a no brainer to me for edu buyers..
     
  13. JaseInNY macrumors newbie

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    FCE vs FCP4

    Wow, FCPE has just been released, I really can't tell what the difference is with FCPE and FCP3 apart from the obvious that it is only DV. Having spent money on all the upgrades over the years from version FCP 1.25, it surprises me that us users of FCP 3 have not seen a release of version 4 alongside with FCE.

    What worries me, is Apple on the same route as AVID? Is this a sign they are going to change there strategy? Are they on the way to releasing versions that only production companies, TV stations can afford?
    That's what was so amazing about FCP, is the fact it is intergrated for all formats and it is up to the user to upgrade hardware to push it to the max. Avid cost's a fortune to own the top of the line "composer/symphony."

    I am worried that I will not be able to afford the expected "amazing" FCP 4. Especially when it is my career/buisness using FCP.

    What does this mean for the future release of FCP4? Any ideas? :confused:
     
  14. JaseInNY macrumors newbie

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    FCe vx FCP 4

    Hmmm, there are a lot of things different in FCe, jumped the gun a bit there.
    But still, what does apple have in store for us pro users? Hopefully an amazing leap!

    Check this out...

    Author:_Paul from Apple_(208.34.118.---)
    Date:___01-07-03 18:03

    Final Cut Express is the perfect solution for DV enthusiasts that are looking for a powerful, affordable DV editing application. Final Cut Pro is the solution for professional editors and advanced videographers/filmmakers.

    Some key differences between FCP and FCE:
    1. Final Cut Express is DV only (NTSC and PAL frame rates only, no 24fps support).
    2. Final Cut Pro supports 3rd party capture cards.
    3. Final Cut Pro supports timecode, Final Cut Express does not present timecode information to the user.
    4. Final Cut Pro allows you to LOG and capture.
    5. Final Cut Pro includes support for RS-422 control.
    6. Pro users can use OfflineRT, Express can not.
    7. Pro includes three-way color correction and other advanced tools that Express does not.
    8. The keyframing model is substantially different in Express. Only Motion tab items can be keyframed. Filters cannot.
    9. Final Cut Pro has a Media Manager, Express does not.
    10. Final Cut Pro supports EDL I/O.
    11. Final Cut Pro can be extended with Cinema Tools.
    12. Final Cut Pro includes Audio OMF export.
    13. Pro supports Edit To Tape and Insert editing.
    14. Pro can do a Batch Export.
    15. FXScript is not in Express.
    16. AE plug-ins are not in Express.
    17. Undo: FCP = 99, FCE = 32
     
  15. Wano macrumors 6502

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    An academic version of FCP 3 sounds better than Express.
     
  16. HasanDaddy macrumors 6502a

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    You can't capture footage with Express???

    So I guess you would capture with iMovie?
     
  17. madamimadam macrumors 65816

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    You can capture but you can't log
     
  18. UnixMac thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thats exactly what I got and now I feel like I'm stealing, it a damn good deal at $300! Now they need to give away DVDSP for $300 to edu.
     
  19. Marvenp macrumors member

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    I find it offensive that you people would be talking about stealing software on this site especially since it has nothing to do with the question being asked. It's a smack in the face to Apple (who has provided us some great software for free) and to us professionals (who actually pay for thier upgrades).

    If you are going to steal your software, kindly keep it to yourself!!
    :mad:
     
  20. UnixMac thread starter macrumors 6502

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    woe, woe Hoss! easy there... Read my post again.. I said "I FEEL LIKE I'M STEALING".... not I am stealing!

    I paid $300 for FCP 3 because my wife is a teacher... that is what Apple sells it for and that is what I paid for it... I have stolen no software in the 25 years I've been computing so please calm down and take a Zoloft!
     
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    Re: FCe vx FCP 4

    thanks for the list...makes the decision for anyone who does this for a living a no brainer, and actually makes the argument that Premiere may not be dead afterall. I hope it isnt. i don't use premiere anymore, but it's a great way to get into higher end NLES work. i was worried that this release would ensure no premiere 7 on mac, but it seems like there are plenty of reasons to go premiere over FCE.
     
  22. benixau macrumors 65816

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    traitor.

    get FCP. it is nice to use.

    in FCP you use it. not learn to use it. FCE is the same deal.

    good luck
     
  23. madamimadam macrumors 65816

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    Re: Re: FCe vx FCP 4

    Firstly I'll mention, my post is a NO flame zone.

    Now, what would you use Premiere for that you could not use FCP for? I have not seen bluescreen in FCP, have I just missed it or is that one big thing to use Premiere for?
     
  24. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    Re: Re: Re: FCe vx FCP 4

    yeah, you've missed it...

    it's in the built in fcp effects... KEY-> blue and green screen


    it's understandable to miss it, as you don't use fcp... but indeed, it has pretty much anything one could ask for, especially anything that premiere has.

    the only real reason i could see using premiere (having used both), is that you're so set with the layout and set up of premiere, that you can't be bothered to learn fcp. but i assure you, there's nothing to "learn". it's all very intuitive.

    i'd suggest checking it out if you can.
     
  25. madamimadam macrumors 65816

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: FCe vx FCP 4

    HUH? I use FCP a lot but I have never needed to venture past the basics. In fact, the only reason I saw it worth getting over iMovie is because the movies I was producing in iMovie have out with ****ty quality and because FCP is SO much easier to deal with for someone that can get their head around all the extra dials.

    I think FCE is more for me, though.... that is VERY likely to be my next upgrade when FCP/FCE 4 comes out. It will probably be more expensive in the short term to go from FCP to FCE but I am certain that FCE upgrades would be a lot cheaper than FCP upgrades so it is better in the long run.
     

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