I ordered a Seagate t-bolt connector.

[philipma1957]

to mods please forgive double post. due to more tests. the mush kin has fast speeds on this test. not 500mbs.


here is an aja speed test once again really fast true sata III speeds not what the mushkin advertises but good.

I would have to say so far this mushkin is the fastest largest ssd that works well with the seagate. I paid 278 for it at newegg and 100 for the seagate and 50 for the cable total of 428.


and it is 240gb 1 dollar less then the new elgato ssd and twice the size. and 40 percent faster.




http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/buy.en.html#section_2


so far my testing of all these seagate setups this may be the best setup for size speed and price .

 

[Litobandit]

There has to be a bottle neck..... That should be faster then that.

 

[philipma1957]

There has to be a bottle neck..... That should be faster then that.

the reason is the testing can't be done on the drive if it is the boot drive.

so the actual program is not on that drive it is on a slower drive.

The best way to get a full speed test would be if my internal was a mushkin and my seagate was a mushkin. then I could use the internal to test the external and the external to test the internal. when the cpu is reading the program on either ssd to test the other ssd you would get your truest results.

I do not have 2 mushkin ssd's to do the test that way. besides the numbers clearly show the seagate can exceed sata II speeds for read and write.

the aja numbers both exceed 315MBs for read and write.


those numbers only count for long file copies or hd video filming.

for most of us the 4k random read write numbers are the key.


the best I could do to make it faster was partition the mushkin into a 200gb and a 40 gb set of partitions. the 200 gb had the osx and the 40 gb was empty this speed the results up a bit but it still not a true real world test. aja did improve on the write speed from 317 to 350 .

still the soft ware was on the mushkin not the internal 5400 rpm hdd. thus the increase in speed.


write speeds of 350 with read speeds of 360 are smoking fast and in reality the ssd is most likely exceeding those speeds only if you are doing long file copies.

as 1 last test I made the empty partition 60gb on the mushkin and the osx is 180gb this sped the test up a bit more. 357 write and 379 read.

I wish I had a second ssd to do the test perfectly.

use the out side to test the inside and the inside to test the out side. this would give the max results and would show if the internal interface is faster or slower then the seagate.

 

[Riverrun]

Testing with the Mushkin

Hi Philip,
These are good speeds!

Just wondering! How are you connecting the Mushkin to the Seagate T-Bolt Adapter; are you still using the rubber bands and cardboard or have you found an enclosure that will do the job?

 

[philipma1957]

Hi Philip,
These are good speeds!

Just wondering! How are you connecting the Mushkin to the Seagate T-Bolt Adapter; are you still using the rubber bands and cardboard or have you found an enclosure that will do the job?

I am using 4 small rubber feet.

Plus a small velcro patch.

(velcro is hidden).

I will post a photo later.

So far this particular ssd is really good.

I wish I had 2.

Right now elgato sells the 240gb version for 629.

It is sata II much slower.



This cost me about 425

Sata III way faster then the elgato.

This would be a great addition to an iMac. pick this up with it


http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW851LL/A



well with all the testing I have done.

if you want to buy this seagate with this mushkin. you should

the other choice is a lacie lbd with a pair of samsung series 470/810 ssds either 128gb or 256gb gives you a raid 256gb or a raid 512gb. you have to un plug the fan and don't daisychain it.

these 3 setups are really good with mini's.

and they are better then buying the prebuilt options


________________________________________________________________________________________________________

elgato ssd 120gb or 240gb.---------------- the seagate mushkin is better why? it is Stable faster and cheaper. warranty not voided and

almost as fast as the lacie samsung raid0

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________________________________________


the lacie 240gb ssd lbd------ the lacie samsung combos are better why? it is Stable faster and cheaper also both the 128gb pair and

the 256gb pair are bigger in raid0


but you void the lacie warranty. so this has a possible downside


_____________________________________________________________________________________

so if 240gb is big enough buy the mushkin/seagate.

as it is 425 and the samsung lacies cost 750 for the 256gb raid0 and about 925 for the 512gb raid0


remember one thing size matters as does the models.

the samsungs in the lacie should be series 470/810 128gb or 256gb.

as for the mushkin here is the link


http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226

 

[Litobandit]

the reason is the testing can't be done on the drive if it is the boot drive.

so the actual program is not on that drive it is on a slower drive.

The best way to get a full speed test would be if my internal was a mushkin and my seagate was a mushkin. then I could use the internal to test the external and the external to test the internal. when the cpu is reading the program on either ssd to test the other ssd you would get your truest results.

I do not have 2 mushkin ssd's to do the test that way. besides the numbers clearly show the seagate can exceed sata II speeds for read and write.

the aja numbers both exceed 315MBs for read and write.


those numbers only count for long file copies or hd video filming.

for most of us the 4k random read write numbers are the key.


the best I could do to make it faster was partition the mushkin into a 200gb and a 40 gb set of partitions. the 200 gb had the osx and the 40 gb was empty this speed the results up a bit but it still not a true real world test. aja did improve on the write speed from 317 to 350 .

still the soft ware was on the mushkin not the internal 5400 rpm hdd. thus the increase in speed.


write speeds of 350 with read speeds of 360 are smoking fast and in reality the ssd is most likely exceeding those speeds only if you are doing long file copies.

as 1 last test I made the empty partition 60gb on the mushkin and the osx is 180gb this sped the test up a bit more. 357 write and 379 read.

I wish I had a second ssd to do the test perfectly.

use the out side to test the inside and the inside to test the out side. this would give the max results and would show if the internal interface is faster or slower then the seagate.

If I understand you correctly, the boot drive is the seagate ssd right? Or no? And what your saying is that the slower hdd that has the testing software is hurting the speeds of the ssd when being tested?In real world computing are you saying even though the test show 300+ that when pulling files to and from the ssd it would be more like the speed the mushkin is rated to be? Like I said I would love to go this route and not have to mess with or lose a hard drive in my mini for an ssd if I could go this route, but to me it,s pointless to spend alot on a ssd to not have full speed, that's why I'm so curious as to how much loss of speed there is using the seagate route. If you have a 20% loss or more I guess I just have to put the ssd in the mini

 

[philipma1957]

If I understand you correctly, the boot drive is the seagate ssd right? Or no? And what your saying is that the slower hdd that has the testing software is hurting the speeds of the ssd when being tested?In real world computing are you saying even though the test show 300+ that when pulling files to and from the ssd it would be more like the speed the mushkin is rated to be? Like I said I would love to go this route and not have to mess with or lose a hard drive in my mini for an ssd if I could go this route, but to me it,s pointless to spend alot on a ssd to not have full speed, that's why I'm so curious as to how much loss of speed there is using the seagate route. If you have a 20% loss or more I guess I just have to put the ssd in the mini

No you are not interperting me correctly. Or I am not writing it clear enough. The various ssd speed tests that are being used are not giving you a true picture of the real speed of the ssd.


the mush kin that I posted is smoking killer fast .

It is as simple as that.


The only way to test if the seagate is slower then the internal connection is use 2 identical ssds. that are fast enough to exceed 400 MBs like the mush kin can do under the right setup.


If some one wants to lend me a mush kin that is the same as mine I will do the the tests.

remember max speed (500MBs) is in theory not practice. and even if the ssd is 10 percent slower in the seagate then the mini or the iMac the external hookup is easy and can be moved in your pocket from work to home and used on different iMacs mac minis etc.

 

[shortcut3d]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B179 Safari/7534.48.3)

The main reason the LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk and Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter are not as fast as the internal Mac mini SATA III is the performance of the Intel Sandybridge chipset.

 

[Kell1]

Just wanted to let you guys know that Newegg has dropped the price of the mushkin to$238.99

 

[philipma1957]

Just wanted to let you guys know that Newegg has dropped the price of the mushkin to$238.99

i ordered it> I will run the test the right way. hoping to see just what the difference is. 2 identical ssds with the same osx and same files. I will post in three or four days.

these 5 photos show how I have chosen to mount the mushkin ssd.

four small rubber bumpers. plus some velcro.

so this item cost under 450 keeps warranty.


iMac wants 600 more for a 256gb ssd that is slower.

this would not void your imac warranty your mac mini warranty.

mac mini server wants 550 to keep one hdd and swap in a 256gb ssd.


the high end mac mini with discrete gpu wants 750 more to bump the hdd and add a 256gb ssd.


so this saves money is fast and easy to do. All my testing has been with base mini and server mini.

others have used this gear with the other two types of models it works really well with the correct ssd.



1)samsung series 470/810 sata II all sizes good


2) intel series 320 sata II I used a 600gb ssd works well


3) mushkin enhanced chronos deluxe sata III the 240gb is amazing link for it;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226


I grabbed a second one today it sold out again!

4) crucial m4 sata III 128gb works well


5) samsung series 830 512gb SERIES 830 SATA III DOES NOT LIKE THE SEAGATE T-BOLT

WORKS GREAT IN A PEGASUS R6 AS A RAID0 GIVES ME A 1TB OSX SSD WITH REALLY QUICK SPEEDS

 

[DCJ001]

Philip.

Your method for filling the gap between the drive and the adapter using the bumpers looks good. And the use of velcro is a good idea to secure the drive.

I took a much simpler approach. I took a small stack of business cards and I found that eleven business cards is the right number for me to fill the gap between the drive and the adapter.

I then cut the business cards so that their length matches the width of the adapter. Then I cut the cards in half lengthwise.

The drive is supported at one end by being connected to the adapter, and it is supported at the other end by a stack of business cards cut to size. I like the idea of supporting the drive at both ends while leaving a space in the center because the drive does get warm with use.

My drive sits on my desk untouched. So this works very well for me.

 

[philipma1957]

A good solution and low cost!

 

[Kell1]

Just wanted to let you guys know that Newegg has dropped the price of the mushkin to$238.99

Ok I miss spoke this is not the DX version.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226237

 

[satishmovva]

to mods please forgive double post. due to more tests. the mush kin has fast speeds on this test. not 500mbs.


here is an aja speed test once again really fast true sata III speeds not what the mushkin advertises but good.

I would have to say so far this mushkin is the fastest largest ssd that works well with the seagate. I paid 278 for it at newegg and 100 for the seagate and 50 for the cable total of 428.


and it is 240gb 1 dollar less then the new elgato ssd and twice the size. and 40 percent faster.




http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/buy.en.html#section_2


so far my testing of all these seagate setups this may be the best setup for size speed and price .

Sorry for the off topic, but in your screen shots I see that you have a widget displaying CPU%, tmp etc. Can you please let me know what app you use for that to display? Thanks and sorry I couldn't figure out how to PM you directly.

SM

 

[Andune]

@satishmovva: Pretty sure it's iStat Menus from Bjango

Back on topic:

There seems to be a issue with the Samsung 830 512MB but the 256GB version should work without problems?

Think Im going to buy a 830 instead of a Mushkin as long as it works.

 

[philipma1957]

Sorry for the off topic, but in your screen shots I see that you have a widget displaying CPU%, tmp etc. Can you please let me know what app you use for that to display? Thanks and sorry I couldn't figure out how to PM you directly.

SM

that is istat menus 3 a great app allows a lot of Info and even provides for custom fan speed control.


http://bjango.com/mac/istatmenus/

cost 16 bucks they have a family version for 25 (5 computers)

I grabbed the family version for 12.50 a few black fridays ago.



this version below is free but has less features and you need to click to see it as a widget.

http://islayer.com/apps/istatpro/


As for the question on a samsung 830 sata 3 256gb not sure I did not test it. maybe shortcut3d did.


I tested a samsung 256gb series 810 worked great.


the mushkin comes back in stock on the 15th you can get auto notify from newegg


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226


I am not knocking the samsung 830 they are great in my pegasus r6.

It is just that this mushkin works so nice has a 3 yr warranty cost 278.99 for 240gb. 15th is 2 days just bookmark the link above and

click on it a lot on the 15th.

 

[satishmovva]

@philipma1957, @Andune: Thank you Both!

 

[Riverrun]

Looks like the Mushkin and Seagate TBolt Adapter are well matched. Rubber feet or Business cards will do the trick nicely. Thanks for all the valuable data guys.

 

[shortcut3d]

Thunderbolt Tests Part II - AJA System Test

AJA System Test
1920x1080 10-bit RGB 1.0GB
Disable File System Cache

480GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G (Internal SATA III 6.0Gbps) -
Write: 431 MB/s
Read: 502.8 MB/s

1TB LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk (OEM) -
Write: 162.8 MB/s
Read: 174.4 MB/s

480GB LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk (2 x 240GB OCZ Vertex 3) -
Write: 378.6 MB/s
Read: 477.7 MB/s

500GB Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Pro (Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter) -
Write: 93.6 MB/s
Read: 98.4 MB/s

*512GB Samsung 830 (Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter) -
Write: 434.7 MB/s
Read: 510.1 MB/s

512GB Samsung 830 (Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter) -
Write [Daisy Chain]: 251.1 MB/s
Read [Daisy Chain]: 359.4 MB/s

256GB Samsung 830 (Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter) -
Write: 293.7 MB/s
Read: 364.7 MB/s

256GB Samsung 830 (Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter) -
Write [Daisy Chain]: 275.7 MB/s
Read [Daisy Chain]: 362.7 MB/s

*On 3/13/2012 the 512GB Samsung SSD 830 Series Media did NOT exhibit disconnects during testing with AJA System Test. AJA System Test Disk Whack was increased to 2.0GB to verify stability. Additional file copy test were successfully run with m4v (H.264) 1.8GB and 6.0GB file sizes.

 

[shortcut3d]

Looks like the Mushkin and Seagate TBolt Adapter are well matched. Rubber feet or Business cards will do the trick nicely. Thanks for all the valuable data guys.

The Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter and enclosures are magnetic. There is a slight magnetic attraction between the enclosure and adapter. Enclosures can be purchased from eBay, but beware they are not professionally disassembled and may have broken hooks / tabs which can easily be remedied with super glue.

 

[Buildbright]

I was shocked at the numbers you got with the vertex III. The speeds you get with two in raid 0 I get faster ones with just one 240GB Vertex III on my PC. But it’s not a mystery. The reason a lot of this stuff is held up in production (thunderbolt) is the manufactures are having problems getting everything to work right. It’s easier when you only have one drive to test and mod the controller for.

 

[philipma1957]

I was shocked at the numbers you got with the vertex III. The speeds you get with two in raid 0 I get faster ones with just one 240GB Vertex III on my PC. But it’s not a mystery. The reason a lot of this stuff is held up in production (thunderbolt) is the manufactures are having problems getting everything to work right. It’s easier when you only have one drive to test and mod the controller for.

The vertex III test is on a lacie LBD.

the lacie LBD has 2 hdd/ssd bays.

each bay is sata II not sata III.

this is intentional.

so a lacie lbd is 2x sata II not 2 x sata III speed.

with all the testing shortcu3d and I did the samsung series 470/810.

128gb or 256gb both sata II were the best.


Right now I have 2 lacie LBd's daisychained with 3 samsung 256gb series 470/810 ssd's in raid0. and a fourth samsung ssd a series 800. The samsung's make a 768 gb osx drive. they run so cool the fans can be disconnected.

 

[rw3]

shortcut3d & philipma1957 - I see that Philip has Cable Micro Firmware Version 0.1.18. I personally have Cable Micro Firmware Version 0.1.16. I am wondering if there is a different version out as of today. I will be stopping Apple to pick on up and see if it has an older or newer revision.

It would be interesting to see if the the Cable Micro Firmware has anything to do with any capability issues....I do somewhat doubt it, but little things in technology can make a big difference.

 

[shortcut3d]

shortcut3d & philipma1957 - I see that Philip has Cable Micro Firmware Version 0.1.18. I personally have Cable Micro Firmware Version 0.1.16. I am wondering if there is a different version out as of today. I will be stopping Apple to pick on up and see if it has an older or newer revision.

It would be interesting to see if the the Cable Micro Firmware has anything to do with any capability issues....I do somewhat doubt it, but little things in technology can make a big difference.

I have three thunderbolt cables purchased at different times and can check the firmware each tonight. Unfortunately, I did test the 512GB Samsung 830 in every combination between two Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapters and three Apple Thunderbolt cables. The 512GB Samsung 830 SSD failed every large file copy test, with the exception of tests run on 3/13/2012. The only thing that has changed since are a couple of drive formats.

An interesting test is to format the drive into two or more equal partitions and see if the large (+2GB) file copy test fails.

 

[rw3]

Just purchased a new Thunderbolt Cable from the Apple Store Stonebriar in Frisco, TX and it has Cable Micro Firmware Version 0.1.18 on it. It seems that the firmware was updated from the original release of 0.1.16 to 0.1.18 but has not gone any further. I will say that I don't think that Apple sells enough of these to go through Firmware Revisions at any fast pace....so 0.1.18 seems to be the latest.