Considering how long Apple have neglected the Pro, 3 months is nothing.
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Intel Chip Delays Suggest No New Mac Pro Until at Least Early 2012
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Considering how long Apple have neglected the Pro, 3 months is nothing.
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Have you seen the new campus? It's clearly some kind of large tachyon accelerator that when active opens a portal in the center.
I seriously doubt that to be accurate. "Keeps up" in what way - with what actual measurements?
Why is it so hard to understand that Intel is in charge of the release cycles and not Apple. They will most likely not do an i7 box as it would cannibalize their current fleet and margins. Blame AMD if you want for not competing and giving Intel all the time they could ever dream of to slightly speed bump you for full price each time. Did you just see the announcement that Intel has clock bumped the Quad mobile chips? Then days later "Apple will be refreshing Macbook Pros". It is not brain surgery here. Obvious patterns.
Okay,so a MacPro refresh is delayed because of the Intel Chips. But other peripherals in the industry have either become cheaper or faster (or both).
An entry level Quadcore MP costs US$2500 or AU$3000 (which becomes US$3100; what the!) so we are still paying July 2010 prices for 2010 hardware.
Where's Thunderbolt and USB 3.0?
The next gen Radeon (6xxx) series has been out for ages.
A single 1TB drive? Really? 2TB should be standard
SSD for the OS as... standard.
3GB RAM standard on an entry level?
Makes more sense to get an iMac or heck a PC workstation.
edit: yeah you can wait three or so months, but I still think they should keep up with other trends in the hardware side, even if they're incremental updates or even added as a BTO option.
An entry level Quadcore MP costs US$2500 or AU$3000 (which becomes US$3100; what the!) so we are still paying July 2010 prices for 2010 hardware.
Where's Thunderbolt and USB 3.0?
The next gen Radeon (6xxx) series has been out for ages.
A single 1TB drive? Really? 2TB should be standard
SSD for the OS as... standard.
3GB RAM standard on an entry level?
Makes more sense to get an iMac or heck a PC workstation.
edit: yeah you can wait three or so months, but I still think they should keep up with other trends in the hardware side, even if they're incremental updates or even added as a BTO option.
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my mac pro 3ghz, 8-core
mac pro 3ghz, 8-core
I bought that in 2007, its the 3,1 special bump-up version. The first BIG purchase i made from Apple. This past summer it died. What was it, first they said the processor (only one?) than the mother board. 3 weeks later ... the second processor. To fix it would be 2k. (I have 16gbs of memory, 8 tbs of space, dual layer optical drive and 2 video cards for it and paid well over 5k)
They said, in the same breathe, it still doesn't work, and instead of figuring out the problem WE will give you $1200 credit for a new mac pro. So i look at the specs and they either fall short or match my old Mac Pro's speed. Of coarse the 16 is faster. But REALLY, after 4 years the lowest one is still slower? And why did my system die, i treat it like its a person. Have it on top of my desk like a trophy. Surge protected and updated every time there is one. I even thought, do i trust these young kids in the back room, is it really broken that bad or are they trying to up-sell me on something new? I mean, they can't figure out whats wrong unless they order another part to try? Its like a trial and error repair shop? Also while i was at the apple store waiting to talk to a sales guy, I waited, and waited and after an hour another guy came up and asked why i was there. I told them, the tech guy said to hang tight and a sales guy would help me buy a new one. I asked how long, and he said its been really busy (a friday night) and i should come back another time. Really?
So i've been waiting for a Mac Pro upgrade, yet on the other hand concerned VERY concerned to spend that kind of money for another one. I do 3D exhibit design w/ animation which i could do on a PC. I haven't tried windows 7 yet, but i hear great things about it and upcoming windows 8. If Apple doesn't get moving faster, they will lose many core users. I can see this already happening in my industry.
mac pro 3ghz, 8-core
I bought that in 2007, its the 3,1 special bump-up version. The first BIG purchase i made from Apple. This past summer it died. What was it, first they said the processor (only one?) than the mother board. 3 weeks later ... the second processor. To fix it would be 2k. (I have 16gbs of memory, 8 tbs of space, dual layer optical drive and 2 video cards for it and paid well over 5k)
They said, in the same breathe, it still doesn't work, and instead of figuring out the problem WE will give you $1200 credit for a new mac pro. So i look at the specs and they either fall short or match my old Mac Pro's speed. Of coarse the 16 is faster. But REALLY, after 4 years the lowest one is still slower? And why did my system die, i treat it like its a person. Have it on top of my desk like a trophy. Surge protected and updated every time there is one. I even thought, do i trust these young kids in the back room, is it really broken that bad or are they trying to up-sell me on something new? I mean, they can't figure out whats wrong unless they order another part to try? Its like a trial and error repair shop? Also while i was at the apple store waiting to talk to a sales guy, I waited, and waited and after an hour another guy came up and asked why i was there. I told them, the tech guy said to hang tight and a sales guy would help me buy a new one. I asked how long, and he said its been really busy (a friday night) and i should come back another time. Really?
So i've been waiting for a Mac Pro upgrade, yet on the other hand concerned VERY concerned to spend that kind of money for another one. I do 3D exhibit design w/ animation which i could do on a PC. I haven't tried windows 7 yet, but i hear great things about it and upcoming windows 8. If Apple doesn't get moving faster, they will lose many core users. I can see this already happening in my industry.
That's why you do not buy right now. You buy at the start of the release and your money goes further. Less "Apple Tax".
Again, blame Intel. They do not have boards out yet that have USB 3. X79 is just getting released so Apple can fit TB on it. But again those boards will be out when the chips that run on them are released in mid-november.
Yes. And they are both slower than the 5870 you can buy right now. Complain about not having a 6970 and I will agree as it is the ONLY faster GPU right now.
I never use the included HDD's as they are always subpar performers. It get's put in my closet. So for me, not an issue. And splitting heirs over $25.00 or so.
No complaints there. Fully agree it is anemic. They need to ship with 4GB and it needs to be a single stick.
Mainly Adobe Creative suite. But I tend to have 10 or so InDesign windows open at a time, with Photoshop, Illustrator, Xpress, Mail, Safari, iTunes, Acrobat... I need all the processing power I can get without it getting bogged down.
Evidently Thunderbolt must be part of the mainboard, so an expansion card is not an option. I'm not sure Intel even has server/workstation motherboards with Thunderbolt yet.
Isn't it great how the entire PC industry, Macs included, have their eggs in one Intel basket? Sounds like we need another kid on the block...
True, what's up with AMD lately? Their 5x series were a success but they failed big time on 6x. Nvidia back on the lead by a long shot again.
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Having too many apps open at the same time requires RAM. Not cores.
Apple has a great opportunity NOW to come out with high end i7 SB (single processor) that folks are screaming for. Have the same 4 disk bay and plenty of ram slots for under 2 grand. Would be a big hit. Instead, they drag it out for xeons that half the people don't need. Would get one in a heat beat!
Should have got an SSD!
I have 10 XP/7 VM's running different versions of IE on a VMware ESX box (i7 920 with 12GB and 2 plain hard drives) works great. web sites don't really hit the disks so it shouldn't matter too much. That way any of us developers can use them and nobody has to mess with a VM on their machine.
You might want to look into a FW enclosure with an SSD in it.
translations it is not delayed so much on Intel but because Apple takes so long between updates they now know they are close to end of a cycle for Intel and Intels next update delayed.
Apple wants blame what a few months of its well over a year outdated on Intel. Sorry trick is you update the CPU and what not as new ones come out.
Apple is the only one to blame for the Mac Pro always being so outdated. Hell the last update still did not bring it upto date.
Apple wants blame what a few months of its well over a year outdated on Intel. Sorry trick is you update the CPU and what not as new ones come out.
Apple is the only one to blame for the Mac Pro always being so outdated. Hell the last update still did not bring it upto date.
So what you're saying is, you'd have a use for a cheaper tower without the Xeons and ECC RAM but with some expansion capability. Huh. Who would have ever thought that might be useful?
So what new Xeon's have come out that are usable in the Mac Pro other than the W3680, X5690 since Westmere 2010 Mac Pro launch? Westmere is still the current Xeon family. The 2010's were only 2 months off from Intel's launch of the parts anyway. How is that outdated? There have been no new chips since. Some Xeon's were released but did not fit the workstation needs only server kit so not counted. Just wondering what they could have done according to you? Please keep it in the Xeon workstation family, no i7's as we know that probably will not happen. I assume you wanted the speed bump of 133MHz?
Wow, lots of complaining for something beyond Apple's control. Intel released consumer chipsets this year before their professional chipsets. Usually they do it the other way. The chipset Apple would use has always been set for Q1 2012 only rumors had Apple getting it sooner, not any sort of fact.
As for doing professional work, we are a Mac studio using Maya, Nuke, Modo, Rhino, CS5, etc. They all run fine on even quad core systems going back to 2006. Only thing we run on Windows is Solidworks and it is on a Mac running Bootcamp.
If we can churn out movies like Real Steel, Fast and Furious 5, Green Lantern, Cowboys vs Aliens, etc I am sure you guys can get along for a few more months with 12 core towers.
Also the VFX industry and not running to Windows, that happened in the 90s, it is Linux's game now and Macs play much better with the Linux crowd than Linux with Windows. That is why The Foundry is leveraging Mari against Photoshop, Adobe has given no love to high-end professional VFX as it has moved to Linux.
As for doing professional work, we are a Mac studio using Maya, Nuke, Modo, Rhino, CS5, etc. They all run fine on even quad core systems going back to 2006. Only thing we run on Windows is Solidworks and it is on a Mac running Bootcamp.
If we can churn out movies like Real Steel, Fast and Furious 5, Green Lantern, Cowboys vs Aliens, etc I am sure you guys can get along for a few more months with 12 core towers.
Also the VFX industry and not running to Windows, that happened in the 90s, it is Linux's game now and Macs play much better with the Linux crowd than Linux with Windows. That is why The Foundry is leveraging Mari against Photoshop, Adobe has given no love to high-end professional VFX as it has moved to Linux.
Nehalem came to town in the Core i7 9xx Series long before it showed up on Xeon.
Jeesh, At least wait to see what are in the new Mac Pros before complaining about them. To say they are not cheaper or faster.
Don't see much need with Thunderbolt in Mac Pro's when PCIe busses are faster. Probably a much better option in the MacBook Pros, iMacs ect. and waiting on Intel about USB3.
I see putting less RAM in the Mac Pro as a better option for some, as people will often put in cheaper third party RAM depending on their own needs. Rather then trading in ( Probably at a loss ) or selling old RAM to get their money back out of it.
i7's are not available in dual processor configurations, so we will still be waiting.
Let's see if the new kids at the Apple rudder will revive the high end computing game of Apple.
iEverything the pro lines can very well co-exist. A beat-them-all Mac Pro would we a nice thing for Apple.
I'm not so much focused when the new Mac Pro will come out, but what it will look like.
I hope the focus will be on higher end machines at slightly better prices. Let's drop the single processor Mac Pros, please.
iEverything the pro lines can very well co-exist. A beat-them-all Mac Pro would we a nice thing for Apple.
I'm not so much focused when the new Mac Pro will come out, but what it will look like.
I hope the focus will be on higher end machines at slightly better prices. Let's drop the single processor Mac Pros, please.
I think I got the point of some comments
one word - Apple's pricing policy
not in terms of level, but in terms of dynamics - Apple products do not become cheaper until new one is released
that was ok in times of 6-9 months upgrade cycles, but when one must wait almost two years to get new computer, holding the same price is outrageous (not mentioning some components are getting reasonably cheaper as RAM for example)
no one argues that for fundamental upgrade of Mac Pro, Apple has no other option than wait for suitable Intel chipsets (all in all the processing power is becoming more than sufficient nowadays so I would not call that a 'desperate' waiting)...BUT...it would not hurt to make some minor upgrade through the cycle to justify the change in price or speeding up other available components
I would not mind waiting for Sandy Bridge - E if current Mac Pro would be available for let's say 1800 USD starting price - because that is the real value of that configuration now
one word - Apple's pricing policy
not in terms of level, but in terms of dynamics - Apple products do not become cheaper until new one is released
that was ok in times of 6-9 months upgrade cycles, but when one must wait almost two years to get new computer, holding the same price is outrageous (not mentioning some components are getting reasonably cheaper as RAM for example)
no one argues that for fundamental upgrade of Mac Pro, Apple has no other option than wait for suitable Intel chipsets (all in all the processing power is becoming more than sufficient nowadays so I would not call that a 'desperate' waiting)...BUT...it would not hurt to make some minor upgrade through the cycle to justify the change in price or speeding up other available components
I would not mind waiting for Sandy Bridge - E if current Mac Pro would be available for let's say 1800 USD starting price - because that is the real value of that configuration now
When looking at the benchmarks, I hope not. Bulldozer is a fail, big time. Even Phenom II has better single-threaded clock for clock performance...