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TommyA6

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I'm currently on a 4S. I doubt it will get iOS 8 too but runs fine as of now.

There's no reason for you to doubt. It will most likely get iOS 8. Apple has never stopped updating 2 generations of the iDevices at the same time, and considering iPhone 4s is twice as fast in CPU and 7x in GPU (compared to 4), it means it will have enough to run iOS 8 (how it will run it is a different thing). :)
 

RoboWarriorSr

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There's no reason for you to doubt. It will most likely get iOS 8. Apple has never stopped updating 2 generations of the iDevices at the same time, and considering iPhone 4s is twice as fast in CPU and 7x in GPU (compared to 4), it means it will have enough to run iOS 8 (how it will run it is a different thing). :)

Yeah it's going to be like the 3GS due to its internals, at least 4 iOS software updates before Apple ditches it. The reason it'll be ditch would be the lack of lightning connector and screen size. (One of the reason Apple stopped supporting 3GS is the not retina screen though I'm not too sure it would run ios 7 nicely anyway)
 

Skika

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Yeah it's going to be like the 3GS due to its internals, at least 4 iOS software updates before Apple ditches it. The reason it'll be ditch would be the lack of lightning connector and screen size. (One of the reason Apple stopped supporting 3GS is the not retina screen though I'm not too sure it would run ios 7 nicely anyway)

It would probably run better than the 4.
 

TommyA6

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Yeah it's going to be like the 3GS due to its internals, at least 4 iOS software updates before Apple ditches it. The reason it'll be ditch would be the lack of lightning connector and screen size. (One of the reason Apple stopped supporting 3GS is the not retina screen though I'm not too sure it would run ios 7 nicely anyway)

I would assume they stopped updating the 3GS due to it's limited RAM (only 256 mb)
 

RoboWarriorSr

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I would assume they stopped updating the 3GS due to it's limited RAM (only 256 mb)

That's another reason, but having a HVGA screen and not retina, 256 MB isn't too little compared to the 4th Gen iPod Touch which showed that 256 MB is barely enough to push retina and the operating system.
 

SakuraSuki

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That's another reason, but having a HVGA screen and not retina, 256 MB isn't too little compared to the 4th Gen iPod Touch which showed that 256 MB is barely enough to push retina and the operating system.

But iOS 7 is more resource hungry. 256MB definitely not going to cut. Even with 512MB, Safari frequently reloading pages.
 

BvizioN

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Because Apple wants you upgrade. By the way, which phone are you using. I think by the time my contract runs out on 2015, my phone will not even run any new apps. I am highly doubt iPhone 4S will get iOS 9, I want to, but not likely. Heck, it might not even get iOS 8

Technology moves on and people have to move with it or stay behind. As a matter of fact, Apple supporting a 3 year old phone with a new OS is impressive. Just have a look around and see how often the other phone brands/models get the latest OS.
 

bnnentertainmen

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although the animations and graphics would be much smoother on the 5S but it doesnt mean that the iphone 5 (and below) dont run it well enough. they run it flawlessly, havent found any lags, low-quality graphics.
 

RoboWarriorSr

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But iOS 7 is more resource hungry. 256MB definitely not going to cut. Even with 512MB, Safari frequently reloading pages.

I'm using my 4S and if I remember correctly I didn't reload pages frequently, either on iOS 6 and 7 (on the first 3 betas there were problems with Safari, contantly refreshing and slow, after beta 4 it became a lot better)
 

TommyA6

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although the animations and graphics would be much smoother on the 5S but it doesnt mean that the iphone 5 (and below) dont run it well enough. they run it flawlessly, havent found any lags, low-quality graphics.

I think iPhone 5 will be pretty future proof. It is the only iPhone so far that got a significant CPU and GPU upgrade combined with upgraded RAM (4s only got faster CPU/GPU but retained 512 mb of RAM, and the 4 only got upgraded RAM, with CPU and GPU staying identical to 3GS (only 200 MHz bump to CPU, and slight bump to GPU).
 

watchthisspace

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My turn, even though it's probably been mentioned.

64 /= Smoother O/S. An architectural change will bring bandwidth benefits, but for O/S animations, noope! Already been proven that iOS:7 will look and feel great on an iPhone 5.

Secondly, I don't expect Apple to make animations appear smoother on the new iPhone compared to the 5. E.g. the opening and closing apps will look the same as on iPhone 5.

What I would suspect will be that the 5s will be in a usable state faster than the 5 after an animation. But this won't be because of an architectural change.

Either way, the 5s will be overall faster and nippy device.
 

bnnentertainmen

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Aug 8, 2013
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I think iPhone 5 will be pretty future proof. It is the only iPhone so far that got a significant CPU and GPU upgrade combined with upgraded RAM (4s only got faster CPU/GPU but retained 512 mb of RAM, and the 4 only got upgraded RAM, with CPU and GPU staying identical to 3GS (only 200 MHz bump to CPU, and slight bump to GPU).

possible, but i own an iphone 5 ad havent seen any problems on it.
 

desithugsr

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Wouldn't updating to the new 64-bit architecture require developers to overhaul their apps to support it? I am by no means a architecture expert, but it seems like there would be a significant gap between the current 32-bit apps vs. the potential for new ones.
 

Xenomorph

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Being "64-bit" doesn't make things smoother.

A slow 64-bit CPU would run like crap compared to a fast 32-bit processor.
 

TommyA6

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possible, but i own an iphone 5 ad havent seen any problems on it.

That's what I said :) . I own it too, and judging by some YouTube reviews of the 5 running iOS 7 beta it appears it is faster on 7 (beta) than on 6.
For ex. Sun spider scores are better, and web pages load faster. (And it beats all the competition there with 2013 hardware :) )
 

Ashin

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The funny thing is that 64bit processing has more overhead, and typically runs slower than 32bit... obviously you won't notice it due to the cpu being higher spec anyway... but being 64bit has no effect on speed, at least not a positive one
 

MikhailT

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The funny thing is that 64bit processing has more overhead, and typically runs slower than 32bit... obviously you won't notice it due to the cpu being higher spec anyway... but being 64bit has no effect on speed, at least not a positive one

Please provide sources of this, I'd like to understand why because this is the first time I've ever heard of this.

64-bit ARMv8 chips are going to be faster than 32-bit ARMv7 chips at the same clock speed and also more power efficient because one, the overhauled/simplified instruction set that they're doing for ARMv8, in addition to more specialized hardware registers for hardware-accelerated tasks.

The simpler the instruction set, the quicker it can process stuff per clock.
 

bnnentertainmen

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Aug 8, 2013
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That's what I said :) . I own it too, and judging by some YouTube reviews of the 5 running iOS 7 beta it appears it is faster on 7 (beta) than on 6.
For ex. Sun spider scores are better, and web pages load faster. (And it beats all the competition there with 2013 hardware :) )

it beats all the competition there with 2013 hardware? really? wow:eek:
 

576316

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May 19, 2011
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Nice! I can totally understand people who are choosing to stick with their 5s but I've had my iPhone 4 for the past two years and it's feeling so old now. That's why I'll be first in line for a 5S. I'll probably go for the 6 as well when that comes out because it'd be another big upgrade.
 
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