iPod 5G Firewire Hack?

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  1. macreator macrumors regular

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    I was just wondering if anyone knew of a hack that would allow me to use an iPod 5G with my PowerBook's Firewire port for syncing instead of USB 2.0.

    I've been wanting to buy a 5G but with my PowerBook lacking USB 2.0 I may have to wait. If anyone knows of a hack floating around enabling pre-USB 2.0 Macs to sync with 5G iPods I would truly be delighted.
     
  2. croshtique macrumors 6502

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    Alas, I don't think a hack is possible - the 5G iPod lacks the physical FireWire chipset within it that would allow it to sync.
     
  3. stoid macrumors 601

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    Your best bet would be to get a USB 2.0 PCM card for the PowerBook
     
  4. aquajet macrumors 68020

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    If it's the Titanium PowerBook in your sig, you could get a USB 2 PCMCIA card. That'll speed things up a bit.
     
  5. croshtique macrumors 6502

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    Just to add, a 5G iPod will sync with your PowerBook over USB 1.1 but it will be sloooooow...
     
  6. Sedulous macrumors 68000

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    Actually, I went through the trouble of getting a USB 2 PCI card for my powermac. I am not at all impressed but it is better than USB 1... likewise, beware of all the little glitches that come with semi-supported upgrades.
     
  7. TheMasin9 macrumors 6502a

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    sorry....

    this cant happen, there is no firewire chipset in the 5g ipod, the fw will charge the ipod from what ive heard, but it cannot sync because it is lacking the ability to xfer files via firewire. i have read that there were a couple reasons that apple did this,
    1. consumers-its not a perfect world, a lot of ipod buyers use pcs and since the royalties on firewire is so high, usb2 has gone on to become one of the major uses in the pc world instead of firewire

    2. size-the firewire chipset in the ipod is much bigger than the usb2 so the firewire bit it and the usb2 remained

    3. speed (?)- we all know that usb2 is technically faster than firewire at 480mbs vs 400mbs. but usb2 has PEAKS of 480mbs while firewire is sustained at 400 mbs so that point is really up for debate
     
  8. macreator thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thanks to everyone for the quick responses!

    It looks like I'm going to need to buy a PC Card or simply wait it out until my next PowerBook purchase which I would like to make soon. I'm going to wait until Macworld 2006 in January just to make sure I don't miss out on anything. I'd love to buy an Intel PowerBook so we'll see if Apple doesn't pull one out in January (fingers crossed).

    Thanks once again!
     
  9. alex_ant macrumors 68020

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    USB2 is not technically faster than Firewire. 480 is a lie. USB2 never achieves that, ever, ever, ever ever ever. Not in a peak, not in a burst, not ever! Firewire is ALWAYS far faster in real world usage.
     
  10. Josh396 macrumors 65816

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    That's one thing I never understood. Everyone kept saying how USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire, but in my experiences it isn't even close. It's not all that slow but it's not as fast as everyone makes it out to be.
     
  11. kainjow Moderator emeritus

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    It looks like FireWire is dead with concerns to the iPod. Here's hoping USB 3 comes out soon :)
     
  12. Sedulous macrumors 68000

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    A.K.A. Firewire
     
  13. kwajo.com macrumors 6502a

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    lol!
     
  14. goldenpurple05 macrumors newbie

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    Is it possible to upgrade a 12" Powerbook to USB 2.0 that doesn't have a PCMCIA slot? I'm guessing not since the USB Bus is probably connected to...well, everything, but I thought I'd ask :)
     
  15. skibummer macrumors newbie

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    eMac Firewire Hack

    I have an old eMac (1ghz) with USB 1.1 and firewire. I didn't want to spend hours uploading ~50gbs of music to my new iPod due to the lack of firewire support. I also have a new ibook with USB 2.0, but a hard drive smaller than my music collection. I started the eMac in firewire target disk mode, and booted the iBook off the eMac's HD. When I connected my iPod to the iBook, everything transferred at USB 2.0 speeds. Hope this helps!
     
  16. keysersoze macrumors 68000

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    That's actually a pretty nice custom solution if you have both computers available like that. Nice job.
     
  17. quagmire macrumors 603

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    What royalties? Apple invented Firewire if I am not mistaken. So why does apple have to pay itself royalties?
     
  18. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    Apple, Sony, Canon, ST Microelectronics, Matsushita, National Semiconductor, RF Microdevices, ST Microelectronics, and others I can't think of right now all directly had a hand in creating Firewire. They all share the patents for it. Even an Intel protocol was used in the design. Everyone, including apple, pays 25 cents per system to use firewire. The money gets evenly distributed between all the companies with patents via the 1394 Licensing Authority. Apple just thinks they invented Firewire.
     
  19. betbest1 macrumors regular

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    I don't think anyone would mind if Apple charged $0.25 more for the 5G iPods but included FireWire support.
     
  20. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    They'd also have to charge for the FW chips, the extra development, etc. Plus the iPod would have to be bigger to accommodate the extra chips. There is much more at stake than 25 cents.
     
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  22. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    I didn't even look at the link, but I can tell you it won't work. The iPod doesn't have the correct chips.

    There is NO way to get firewire to work on the G5 iPod.
     
  23. sigamy macrumors 65816

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    Thanks. But what if a 3rd party created a dock that had the firewire chipset? Could the 5G iPod's dock connector connect to that dock and use the FW chipset in the dock to sync via FW?

    Sorry if I'm be hard-headed on this...just seems like a nice accessory for someone to put on the market. I have a 17" iMac G4 with only USB 1.1 and it sucks that I can't get a new iPod.
     
  24. virus1 macrumors 65816

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    this may be due to other factors, instead of just the usb2... unless you are doing clinical tests... im pretty sure that it does reach faster speeeds in its little peaks...

    on what grounds do you say that?
     
  25. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    Not unless that dock has a processor and RAM. Basically a small computer is needed. Don't hold your breath.
     

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