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Mac Pro Update Now Possible with New Xeon E5 Chips Next Week
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Hopefully the MP gets a significant upgrade. Not that they're underpowered, but it's been a while..
This stopped being funny about a month or so after Crysis came out. It's now been over four years.
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Apple's pretty much like any other company... they care about whatever makes them money. Right now that happens to be iToys.
Will it play Crysis??
This stopped being funny about a month or so after Crysis came out. It's now been over four years.
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Apple's pretty much like any other company... they care about whatever makes them money. Right now that happens to be iToys.
I'd be derailing the thread, but let's just say the Cube wasn't exactly a good try at a headless mid-range desktop - it was more of a statement than anything (a darn sexy one at that, but for a hefty price).
In the old days with the PowerPCs you never had to worry about this... but nowadays things are different. Hm.. it's a risk you might have to take.
However, you can always use a PC graphics card in a MP if you run windows.. *shrug*
I said MUSIC! I perform live and sound great live LIVE... some still do. I said for video or 3D a MP's better... but really, it depends on what you do. I can upload my 3D work to online farms if I need something quick... I got the time, but really, I got the talent and you don't need a 12 core to do cutting edge... you're talent has to be. The only thing is time... most premier software allows ram previews on slower machines. It's ALL THE SAME IN THE END!!!!!!! If you run OSX and use an application, it doesn't really matter but how good you are now, the boxes are fast enough period!
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Hmmmm... a 100 piece orchestra is well... only 100 tracks right? Okay, try again. Anyway, I hire real orchestras to do that and if I do virtual stuff, I just render each part. VEP is cool of you think your a virtuoso but really, the whole things a joke because nothing is better than REAL so go spend all your $$ and get a loan on your home because I'll just mic a college student and give him cred, and some cash and I have REAL on my iMac ha ha!!!! Whatever man! Just use your mind... there's no set RULE in music creation and if you want to feed that to me... go over to motunation or gearsluts because they are all brainwashed too.
Only because it's more cost effective but as time goes on, like SSD's it will come down in price and the performance of TB SMOKES USB3 for power users.
Maybe you should stop aggressively pushing your agenda on people and politely offer it as an alternative then.
If you're interested in something like the tb raid box that Apple sells, faster options have been available for a very long time for the mac pro. The primary advantage to a tb drive enclosure attached to the mac pro (in my opinion) would be that you can also hook your laptop up as necessary to the same box, and obviously it's nice if you're looking at fast single external drives.
It's a common misunderstanding. They see the size of the thing and the price and assume that all goes into making a much faster machine. Lenovo actually crammed a dual socket workstation into a much smaller rackable box. If Apple's focus wasn't away from computers these days they might have done something similar. I don't think it would allow for quite the same clean internal layout though.
I never know with Apple. I'm kind of wondering if they're going to retain the price point used by the current 6 core. It's quite high for a single socket workstation (makes me more tempted to jump to a dual socket model).
Thunderbolt raid wouldn't be the fastest option on a mac pro. You can get pretty close to the real speeds offered by the promise enclosure by populating the internal bays. If you need way more bandwidth, there are better/faster options. I mean it's an okay raid setup, but it's not that great.
The base models are really the ones that could use some love. Much like in the 2007 addition, only the more expensive models saw much of an upgrade this past cycle. The base hardware is starting to look a bit old. Considering how Apple treats old products in terms of driver updates/bug fixes, I don't blame people for not wanting to buy into three year old hardware with patched updates (as in westmere).
Apple doesn't care what you need. They care what you purchase. They like to think they can dictate what you need to some extent, but in the end who cares what is good enough. It's what you want and what you buy. To each his own. You can survive on bread and water for a while but it's nice to have a gourmet meal to if you can afford it.
OK, whatever. You hire an orchestra and record them in a top-tier studio. Cost for one day at the studio + 40 union players is what? 10-15k or so? Everything sounds great and your iMac doesn't break a sweat. Life is good.
Then the film director comes back and tells you they edited one scene and it is now 5 seconds longer. Please adjust music cue accordingly. All you've got is your beautifully recorded audio that is now 5 seconds shy of being perfect.
You are going back to the studio and record those guys again, for what, another 10-15k?
Good luck with that MO. There is a reason why people use mock-ups. Even industry vets like Zimmer use virtual instruments for precisely this reason.
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Suppose you had your thunderbolt port. How many devices would you be able to use with it? Almost none, right? How inexpensive would they be? How compatible would any of those devices be with other computers?
TB is just another niche interface. Yeah, its far superior on paper... but its already failing like Firewire. Its been way over a year for Apple and others to bring forth devices at reasonable prices. They've done next to nothing. USB 3.0 has seen great success for a long time now.
You can take my words to the bank; TB is too far behind to catch up to USB 3.0. It will become another scarce and expensive interface like Firewire.
Hopefully they will have Snow Leopard installed on them!!!
LMAO! Man, its so funny seeing how badly Apple screwed up Lion and are continually doing a poor job with Mountain Lion.
What the hell did they do to Expose? It's complete crap now.
Right. Thanks for that. Got F-all to do with what I was talking about. But carry on worrying about Thunderbold, don't care about it much myself, I just want the pure grunt mate. What you think of those 2 extra cores activated just for Apple?
I doubt it'll happen. There's usually a reason for designs like this. They're trying to maintain a specific thermal profile. I haven't read a white paper on this cpu design, so I'm not sure. If it was simple to turn on the extra cores and charge more for the cpu, Intel would probably do so.
The other side to that is that I don't know why people still expect special treatment for Apple. The two companies haven't been that great to each other. There was the NVidia thing. Apple also cut Intel out of the loop on logic boards in the mac pro. I don't think of the ultrabook initiative as an attack on Apple because it actually funds development of cpus that will eventually be used by Apple.
ivy bridge xeons are at least 12 months out. Xeon parts go though much more testing and verification then the mainstream parts. Get used to this type of cycle.
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A good music editor could edit the recorded music for as long as needed.
Apple have been battling with the heat generated from these according to some sources but the Mac Pro is one big old lump - that's why the form won't change I don't think.
Three things:
Intel took the piss out of AMD for leaving cores unused and said it would never do such a thing. Har har, the news is out. Why pay top dollar, and it is top dollar, for something that's hamstrung?
So Intel have no reason to activate all 8, as with 6 on the die they can still take the piss out of Bulldozer. Why bother with no competition? Well, what if a rather reliable and rich partner asked you to?
Time is a fast old train, as Townes Van Zandt said, SB-E has been out since November, albeit in small numbers. Tick tock. Time's up.
Think you're wrong fella. Expect the Mac Pro soon and expect it to be an unleashed Sandy Bridge E. And expect one of the first to have Snahbah written on it.
Apple have been battling with the heat generated from these according to some sources but the Mac Pro is one big old lump - that's why the form won't change I don't think.
Three things:
Intel took the piss out of AMD for leaving cores unused and said it would never do such a thing. Har har, the news is out. Why pay top dollar, and it is top dollar, for something that's hamstrung?
So Intel have no reason to activate all 8, as with 6 on the die they can still take the piss out of Bulldozer. Why bother with no competition? Well, what if a rather reliable and rich partner asked you to?
Time is a fast old train, as Townes Van Zandt said, SB-E has been out since November, albeit in small numbers. Tick tock. Time's up.
Think you're wrong fella. Expect the Mac Pro soon and expect it to be an unleashed Sandy Bridge E. And expect one of the first to have Snahbah written on it.
get in line buddy
Apple have been battling with the heat generated from these according to some sources but the Mac Pro is one big old lump - that's why the form won't change I don't think.
Three things:
Intel took the piss out of AMD for leaving cores unused and said it would never do such a thing. Har har, the news is out. Why pay top dollar, and it is top dollar, for something that's hamstrung?
So Intel have no reason to activate all 8, as with 6 on the die they can still take the piss out of Bulldozer. Why bother with no competition? Well, what if a rather reliable and rich partner asked you to?
Time is a fast old train, as Townes Van Zandt said, SB-E has been out since November, albeit in small numbers. Tick tock. Time's up.
Think you're wrong fella. Expect the Mac Pro soon and expect it to be an unleashed Sandy Bridge E. And expect one of the first to have Snahbah written on it.
Exactly... they haven't been shipping in volume. Regarding cores turned on or off, we still don't know their reasoning. Is it a thermal profile or tdp issue? Is the manufacturing process having issues and it's easier to guarantee that at least 6 cores are up to spec rather than all 8? We're missing what would be useful information.
agreed, let me know where i can buy a 1 or 2 tb external thunderbolt for 100 bucks and ill be interested in tb
Thermal issues I would think. I doubt they will talk about it, but if you look at the TDPs and specifications of the E5-2600 and 2400 range it does seem to say that they can't pump out fast 8-core CPUs with ease and something like the 2687W with its 3.1GHz clockrate, 8-cores and 150W TDP is them pushing to the limit and those processors are the best that they can yield. If they could get a bunch of 3.3GHz ones and sell them for another $500 a pop you would think they would.
I guess as long as AMD aren't a threat to that very high-end we won't know just how much better Intel could be offering.