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polaris20

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Jul 13, 2008
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You can quite often get an Acer Aspire One with a 120GB/160GB hard disk for $299. I got mine used for $220 on CL and I love it! Not all netbooks have tiny SSDs (I know that I wouldn't want one).

Totally realize that. I was previously commenting on how readily available decent netbook is for specifically $200. I realize that's subjective, however I deemed a Dell with a 4GB SSD inadequate, in my opinion, of course.
 

polaris20

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Jul 13, 2008
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I've seen octo-core Xeons stutter on Itunes - it's such a pig on Windows it's unreal. ;)

Kinda anecdotal, because I've yet to see iTunes stutter on any machine I've used with XP Pro, video included. But I guess YMMV.

You mean that Windows can boot from a USB hard drive or flash drive, but that marvelously advanced UNIX-based OSX can't?

If this is true, I definitely agree. Like I said I boot off of Live disks all the time, even editing the host machine's registry on Windows: very, very handy.
 

danny_w

macrumors 601
Mar 8, 2005
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Cumming, GA
If this is true, I definitely agree. Like I said I boot off of Live disks all the time, even editing the host machine's registry on Windows: very, very handy.
I think what he meant was that the Mac in this theoretical situation is dead and cannot boot vie internal or external. However, the Mac in this case would still be usable in Target Disk Mode. It simply allows the hard disk of the dead Mac to be used as an external drive to another Mac (or actually any computer with Firewire).
 

polaris20

macrumors 68020
Jul 13, 2008
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I think what he meant was that the Mac in this theoretical situation is dead and cannot boot vie internal or external. However, the Mac in this case would still be usable in Target Disk Mode. It simply allows the hard disk of the dead Mac to be used as an external drive to another Mac (or actually any computer with Firewire).

Hmmm, interesting. If that were true, then yeah, USB wouldn't work either since it requires the CPU to function (if my understanding is correct).
 

JonHimself

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2004
1,553
5
Toronto, Ontario
I think what he meant was that the Mac in this theoretical situation is dead and cannot boot. However, the Mac in this case would still be usable in Target Disk Mode. It simply allows the hard disk of the dead Mac to be used as an external drive to another Mac (or actually any computer with Firewire).

See, now that is a perfect explanation with no agenda. Thank you.
 

apersianboyCOM

macrumors 6502
Dec 28, 2008
328
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London, UK
If Apple releases a shrunk MacBook Air, I'm sold. It would rekindle the same-thing-at-half-the-price flame war on the internet, though.

That would be awesome and it would stand out against the other notebooks as it would be really thin and light.

A touch-screen device I'm not too sure... it would be annoying to type on it without a physical keyboard not to mention the smudges all over the screen from your fingers!
 

abriwin

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Apr 1, 2009
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A touch-screen device I'm not too sure... it would be annoying to type on it without

but if it had bluetooth you could attach a bt keyboard
 

AidenShaw

macrumors P6
Feb 8, 2003
18,667
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The Peninsula
don't forget to Think Differently

A touch-screen device I'm not too sure... it would be annoying to type on it without a physical keyboard not to mention the smudges all over the screen from your fingers!

I'm replying to this from my Dell Latitude XT2. Open in clamshell mode, with full keyboard and multi-touch screen both available. Yeah! for Windows 7 multi-touch.

My fingers type the text on the keyboard, but usually navigate by the touchscreen (want to see the context, just do the multi-touch gesture to to scroll down, then back up to the text window).

It really becomes very natural - you use keyboard, mouse (eraserhead) and screen gestures as appropriate. You don't really even think about it - I don't reach for the mouse to scroll, I touch the screen. Your fingers do it on their own - it takes very little use for it to just feel right.

As far as "smudges" - if that were really the case the Iphone would be an epic fail. With a reasonably bright screen smudges are not an issue.

I'm done now - I'm going to poke the "Submit Reply" button with my index finger...

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(by the way, when I'm done I'll put the XT2 into my Tucano "Second Skin for MacBook Air". The Latituded XT2 is quite a bit smaller than the MBA, but the Tucano MBA sleeve was the closest fit that I found)
 

diemos

macrumors 6502
Mar 6, 2009
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If Apple is to release a netbook it wont be this year, or maybe Holiday season, but I doubt it. So don't expect to see it soon.
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
I think what he meant was that the Mac in this theoretical situation is dead and cannot boot. However, the Mac in this case would still be usable in Target Disk Mode. It simply allows the hard disk of the dead Mac to be used as an external drive to another Mac (or actually any computer with Firewire).
There needs to be a clearer definition of said dead Mac.

The logic board might be dead and Target Disk Mode wouldn't work anyways.
 

branjosef

macrumors 6502a
Oct 18, 2007
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1.222.333.456
Yeah!!!! Bring on the first $2500 netbook !!!! ... reasonably priced for the student on the go or that business man looking to put in a few extra hours on the train or that eccentric lonely man that just needs some porn but can't wait till he gets off the bus.

I bet it will be shiny.
 

olternaut

macrumors 6502a
Dec 10, 2007
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It should come as no surprise then that within the last few months I've read about brain-controlled twitter and a brain-controlled robot (or something). Seems fishy that as soon as Steve can no longer physically be at the Apple building that I have seen a way for someone to control a robot (or perhaps a replica) from a different location as well as be able to send simple commands (perhaps commands less than 140characters) by using only their brain... hmm....

If the world doesn't end in the next few years a century from now there will be a special life sustaining jar containing Steve's brain suspended by an anti-gravity field which will be cybernetically connected to a giant super computer. Not only will he still be in charge of Apple but he will also be in total control of the planet like the lawnmower man! :p
 

JonHimself

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2004
1,553
5
Toronto, Ontario
Interesting quote from the meetings today from Tim Cook:

"When I'm looking at what's sold in the Netbook market, I see cramped keyboards, junky hardware, very small screens, bad software. Not a consumer experience that we would put the Mac brand on. As it exists today, we're not interested in it nor would it be something customers would be interested in the long term. We are looking at the space. For those who want a small computer that does browsing/email, they might want an iPhone or iPod Touch. If we find a way to deliver an innovative product that really makes a contribution, we'll do that."

I wonder what this means about all of the 10" screens?
 

headfuzz

macrumors 6502
Apr 13, 2007
492
5
Brighton, UK
First things first, thats not really true, the Wind's and Dell Mini and any other netbook will choke on a Garageband project with multiple tracks when it comes to playback if it doesn't freeze on you first, IMovie, not happening, and IDVD.....your nuts to think you wont be there an entire day to encode, if you even get that far. Now dont get me wrong, netbooks are great for surfing, chatting, maybe listening to music (i've had an aspire one that couldn't smoothly playback itunes), and word processing, but thats about it.

You misunderstood my point. I stated that a netbook will run those applications, I didn't mean under load and I didn't necessarily mean well. But for the purposes of a netbook, the types of use you state above, it functions brilliantly as an OS X machine, as well as if not better than say a custom built Linux distribution for it, or the XP it ships with. Even if it had a Core2Duo CPU in the Mini 9 I wouldn't use it for things like music sequencing as it's hard enough on my 1280x800 13" Macbook, let alone a 1024x600 9" netbook.

At some point people need to accept that apple sells expensive products, period. You can argue back and forth all day wether its worth it or not, but the fact of the matter is you know this from the start, there is nothing to complain about. Its like walking into a porsche dealership and complaining that you cant find anything as cheap as a KIA...you know better than this. (not directed at you personally, but moreso at the general blah blah blah, they need a cheap Mac ideology)

God I'm so sick of the tired car analogies. You WOULD complain if you bought a Porsche only to pop the bonnet and find the engine had FORD written in big letters all over it. This is a far more accurate car analogy than the one you suggest.

People are perfectly within their right to complain that Apple manufacture products from the same components as all other OEMs and charge as much as double for them. There is no obligation to buy them whatsoever, but that by no means removes peoples right to have an opinion about Apple's pricing policy given that they know that underneath the casing are the same components found in many competitors' products at a lesser price.

They have written some great software, which as has been proved by me and many others is perfectly capable of running perfectly well on hardware that was not sold by Apple but is built from the same components as those used by Apple.

Keeping with your car analogies (for the final time), case in point:

Lotus 7:

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Caterham 7 (the same design, rights bought from Lotus after they ceased production):

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The point?

They're both the same car built from the same parts to the same design and as such will drive just the same as each other; but only the top one has the prestige of being a genuine Lotus.

I hope this finally puts the car analogies to rest.
 

Sehnsucht

macrumors 65816
Sep 21, 2008
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I'm replying to this from my Dell Latitude XT2. Open in clamshell mode, with full keyboard and multi-touch screen both available. Yeah! for Windows 7 multi-touch.

I used one of these today, as a matter of fact. Pretty cool (but cool in a rather disappointing non-:apple: way. ;)

I'm done now - I'm going to poke the "Submit Reply" button with my index finger...

Ewww, gross...don't know where that's been. :eek: :D

(by the way, when I'm done I'll put the XT2 into my Tucano "Second Skin for MacBook Air". The Latitude XT2 is quite a bit smaller than the MBA, but the Tucano MBA sleeve was the closest fit that I found)

I feel sorry for the poor soul who might inadvertently assume you're a Mac user. :D
 
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