So I consider my self a quite adept computer user. I've owned Macs and PCs since ages ago and have done quite a bit of "advanced" technical work with both. I just had my first go with Windows 8. Let me set the scene quick. The Computer is a brand new HP Envy 17" with an i7, discrete graphics and blah blah: other fancy stuff. My friend in charge of that department bought it with out telling me although he was told specifically we needed a mac. He bought this one because it met the system requirements of the special software we plan to run on it, but was "way cheaper than a mac" (in his words). We were about to find out the value of "cheaper" So first we simply needed to play a video on a projector via the VGA port. Need to extend the desktop to the second display and play the video on there. Easy enough right? Here is how the event went. 1. Log-in to windows (check) 2. Greeted with squares with all sorts of random info (I had seen screen shots of this so I was slightly prepared) 3. Find that all squares are 100% useless. 4. Finally find the desktop square 5. Go to click on the Start button to access Control Panel . . . IE opens 6. I hate IE, especially when I did not intend to open it. 7. Discover that there is no Start menu button but rather an IE button 8. ?!?!?!?!? . . . What the . . . 9. Search for a way to access Control panel . . . 10. None found 11. Right Click to find "Screen Resolutions" 12. Finally get the projector working with extended desktop. 13. Open the video and prepare to drag it across to the second display. 14. Nope, It opens in full screen with no menu bar or anything. No way to minimize, drag or anything. Wonderful. 15. Quickly decide to just do it with mirrored displays 16. Go to switch the display settings back in the control panel . . . 17. IE opens 18. YOU MOTHER . . . STUPID . . . SON OF A . . . ! OK, eventually get that sorted. Next job: run Pro Presenter software that we purchased the laptop for specifically 1. My friend had already installed the software earlier. 2. Open the program. (via the very handily placed short cut on the desktop . . . else who knows how I would have ever found a way to open it with no Start Menu) 3. "This program can not run. Missing blahblah.dll file" 4. Close that 5. "This program can not run. Missing someother.dll file" 6. Close that 7. Program runs 8. Random desktop browser window opens searching for language files. 9. Cant close window . . . at all. curser spins and spins and spins with no way to end the task 10. I look at my friend, wish him good luck with the computer which I never plan to touch again. yay for innovation! ---------- Ah, just noticed that this is the Windows ON THE MAC forum . . . sorry I didnt see that before.