That depends on the state you live in; that holds true for one or two, but in most of the US you can't get cash back.
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People on Ebay are selling itunes gift cards for %40 off?
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I just wanted to chime in and say that I worked at a grocery store and know a bit about how the "activation" works.
When you check out, the cashier (me) is required to swipe or manually enter the card number for the itunes card, the system then waits for payment, and WHEN payment is confirmed... the itunes card number gets wirelessly transferred to apple so that it can be updated in their databases as "active". Theres no way for a common store employee to get around this, believe me I've tried.
That being said, there are many systems that use "code activation" to sell digital products (ie. cd keys for games). These systems usually rely on a algorithmic key generator to make "valid" keys and a database of activations to make them "active".
The algorithm for itunes cards has no doubt been cracked by now and made into a keygenerator. After that, all that's needed is a backdoor or loophole in the system to make the keys active. Usually this process will have an imperfect success rate but still good enough to make someone A LOT of money.
That's what these keys most likely are. That's why you here stories of people getting keys for the wrong amounts and/or receiving extra keys even though the seller doesn't seem to care that he has given you way too much. He most likely has a crude speadsheet of keys that he has already processed and just copy/pastes them in emails to send out to buyers.
So yes, these cards are not legitimate, but they not as bad as the "stolen credit card" theories make them out to be. You wont loose your credit if you buy them, apple will simply try to patch the exploit to prevent further scams.
When you check out, the cashier (me) is required to swipe or manually enter the card number for the itunes card, the system then waits for payment, and WHEN payment is confirmed... the itunes card number gets wirelessly transferred to apple so that it can be updated in their databases as "active". Theres no way for a common store employee to get around this, believe me I've tried.
That being said, there are many systems that use "code activation" to sell digital products (ie. cd keys for games). These systems usually rely on a algorithmic key generator to make "valid" keys and a database of activations to make them "active".
The algorithm for itunes cards has no doubt been cracked by now and made into a keygenerator. After that, all that's needed is a backdoor or loophole in the system to make the keys active. Usually this process will have an imperfect success rate but still good enough to make someone A LOT of money.
That's what these keys most likely are. That's why you here stories of people getting keys for the wrong amounts and/or receiving extra keys even though the seller doesn't seem to care that he has given you way too much. He most likely has a crude speadsheet of keys that he has already processed and just copy/pastes them in emails to send out to buyers.
So yes, these cards are not legitimate, but they not as bad as the "stolen credit card" theories make them out to be. You wont loose your credit if you buy them, apple will simply try to patch the exploit to prevent further scams.
As a former cashier myself... there is one way around it. Namely, make it so that the card that gets scanned/swiped is not the card that the customer is handed back.
If the seller sells a couple gift cards every now and then at a discount, he could be clean. However, if he is selling a ton of them everyday, they are either purchased through stolen credit cards or as somebody pointed out, they are hacked through a key generator. Either way, it is unethical, immoral and possibly illegal to participate and fund these types of activities. Of course, if you are the type who has no qualms about buying expensive electronic equipment at a fraction of its real price out of a car trunk at some random street corner, you probably don't care about ethics that much anyways...
Does anybody remember the case where feds caught some guys who were involved in cigarette smuggling between states with low and high cigarette taxes in order to fund Hizbullah?
Does anybody remember the case where feds caught some guys who were involved in cigarette smuggling between states with low and high cigarette taxes in order to fund Hizbullah?
So bottom line. If I sale a few of these a week I get at a 30 dollar profit(I get em for 60 a piece on ioffer). Would I get in trouble?
I am a minor, so just really wondering.
I am a minor, so just really wondering.
Yes it is immoral. If they were doing something illegal, and you KNEW it, you are part of the problem. Besides the only people who are being punished by your actions is Apple.
Well, I don't know what there doing is illegal, I just have a strong suspicion.
BTW: Is there anyway to transfer credit in my account to a different account?
IDN think so. If there was, Apple would have issues with account frauds.
So, my question remains. Would I get in trouble for selling these?
We do not know if this is illegal, really don't. I would like an actual FACT not opinion on this.
If you don't care about the ethics of this transaction, it is your conscience, but pretending you don't really know what is going on is a bit lame.We do not know if this is illegal, really don't. I would like an actual FACT not opinion on this.
Hi, i seen this thread and would like to clear something up...
It is not illegal to sell these itunes cards cheap. I know how it all works (i cant tell you because it would raise competition for me). It has nothing to do with stolen credit cards or some sort of keylogger.
if you've got any questions about it pm me and maybe i could point you in the right direction
It is not illegal to sell these itunes cards cheap. I know how it all works (i cant tell you because it would raise competition for me). It has nothing to do with stolen credit cards or some sort of keylogger.
if you've got any questions about it pm me and maybe i could point you in the right direction
Hi, i seen this thread and would like to clear something up...
It is not illegal to sell these itunes cards cheap. I know how it all works (i cant tell you because it would raise competition for me). It has nothing to do with stolen credit cards or some sort of keylogger.
if you've got any questions about it pm me and maybe i could point you in the right direction
It says you can't be PM'd. I am hiiiiighly interested in finding this out.
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I dont even want to try and make money from it, I just want to know how it works
Not really. No prosecutor in the history of ever would even file charges in this case. They would never to able to reach the burden of proof.
It's one thing to buy a car stereo from a friend. It's another to buy something from a legitimate website.
You would never be able to proof the later. Nor would you be able to prove the first part. Suspicion isn't knowledge. For that matter anything on eBay could have been stolen and we'd see people fearing eBay purchases because police would be arresting people all over the place for receiving stolen property.
hey, check this out: http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.j...506&mod=1205274702196&anticache=1223463080369
Interesting.
Seems there is no way to tell what are legally obtained bulk discounted ones and what are illegal fraudulent ones.
Ok, well I don't know If I had previously mentioned this but.
For the past 9 days I have had one off these "fraudulent" gift cards in my itunes credit. I have nought 6 songs and nothing has happened. No itunes contacting me, no credit removal from my account. NOTHING. Its all fine. Though I wonder if I'll ever get any repercussion from apple. I dont know.
For the past 9 days I have had one off these "fraudulent" gift cards in my itunes credit. I have nought 6 songs and nothing has happened. No itunes contacting me, no credit removal from my account. NOTHING. Its all fine. Though I wonder if I'll ever get any repercussion from apple. I dont know.
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