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krravi

macrumors 65816
Nov 30, 2010
1,173
0
Really? Last time I checked, the buttons on my stove, microwave, dish washer, fridge, washer, and dryer haven't failed me in the 8+ years that I've had them. The home button on my iPhone on the other hand.....not so much. Same goes for my - volume button.

IMHO, the Apple phones build quality is superior. I say this after handling so many electronics and appliances for more than 25 years... The only other phone that *I* love in terms of build quality is the old Motorola StarTac.

The first time I bought an Apple device was a iPhone 3GS. The volume control rocker button had a definite feel to it, it wasn't a click, but a subtle depression that gave you feedback as to if you pressed it or not. That level of detail and subtlety was what attracted me to Apple and ever since I have been impressed with their products. Okay had a yellow tint issue with their iMac 21" etc.. but that was more of a production issue than design.

There are so many other audio components from TEAC and Pioneer that have amazing build qualities but, thats another topic.
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
24,170
31,225
Yeah just like the SuperDrive in the Mac Mini was quietly eliminated. You can buy the external drive. But WHY ??? :mad:

If Apple elected to stop shipping keyboards and mice and you'd find people here saying that's alright with them and why would you dare question it :confused:

My point was if Apple's leaving off the optical drive to keep you locked into iTunes you can easily purchase an external drive to get around it. So they're not really locking you in.
 

jca24

macrumors 6502a
Jul 28, 2010
825
129
DFW
Apparently you havent read the news about carriers are selling out of preoders of the new Blackberry 10. I suggest you start to read before posting your info.

http://bgr.com/2013/01/10/blackberry-10-demand-analysis-287451/

dude, that said they have had a "strong response" with people signing up. What else could they say, no, we have not had anyone interested??? Like a previous post stated, that ship has sailed. rim is all but dead and when this new phone comes out and it doesn't sell they will be gone for good.

:apple:
 

imacintosh.0

macrumors member
Jan 3, 2013
35
0
Go read the iPad forums. There's ample evidence there.

I just did and did not find even one post where someone said the retina screen was unnecessary. In fact, most were saying the mini screen was definitely not as good as retina but it's fine. So no, "many" ppl are not acting as if retina is useless or unnecessary now that the mini is out.

I'd still like to give you the benefit of the doubt so if you'd like to point out the many people who said this, I'd love too see.

Otherwise it's more of that "Apple users are brainwashed" nonsense :rolleyes:
 

Eric E. Schmidt

macrumors member
Nov 14, 2012
77
0
Calif
Really? Last time I checked, the buttons on my stove, microwave, dish washer, fridge, washer, and dryer haven't failed me in the 8+ years that I've had them. The home button on my iPhone on the other hand.....not so much. Same goes for my - volume button.

poles apart in frequency of use. if you were a chef or ran a sizable household you'd have an argument.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
Well...maybe that's due to the poor neglect Apple shows on the desktop front.

That really has nothing to do with it. Desktops are a mature segment showing signs of decline, for all players, not just Apple. Even if Apple had fully concentrated on only desktops, they can't change industry wide trends here. The market is mature, technology and innovation comes in smaller increments and Microsoft has a foothold due to their monopoly.

No, the reason Apple came to depend so much on the iPhone and the iPad for their revenue is simply due to having a hot product in an emerging segment with no vendor encroachement.

They entered the smartphone arena as it was morphing from a business service to the consumer space. They did so with a hot ticket item. They've been riding the segment's growth since then. Same for the iPad, where they basically reinvented the segment and have been driving the growth there.
 

KTF

macrumors regular
Aug 16, 2010
143
0
New York City
Hasn't ever really been a motivating factor before, has it?

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Have you tried one?
yes yes .. its old tech wrath in a nice ipackage the screen is TERRIBLE!

note: My Post Was Apple No Always have The High Qualithy Or best Thech And The Ipad Mini Is A Example!
 

TallManNY

macrumors 601
Nov 5, 2007
4,743
1,594
The market needs growth, that's how our economy works. Without growth, even if there is profitability, a company is not seen as being healthy.

Yes, it's twisted and most normal people don't think like that, but unfortunately, the people at Apple have no choice in caring for the investors because they are a publicaly traded company and as such must adhere to SEC rules (everything they do must be in the shareholder's best interest).

And let me tell you, most investors care greatly in the health of Apple and its continued growth. The last 2 "earning misses" despite Apple posting great profits and numbers should be an indication of that. It's a perverse economy with perverse effects, but it's what we live in.

Oh, I'm actually quite familiar with SEC rules and the company is held to the long term interests of the shareholders, nothing more. It is a very loose standard, unless management decides to sell the company or merge, then the short term benefits (the offer price, etc.) comes into play.

Anyway, if we are talking about no growth, then sure, that would be an issue. But if Apple has "only 15%" growth next year, Investors would be silly to panic. 15% growth in profits for five years in a row (and the dividends that would allow to be distributed) would make the current stock price look pathetically undervalued.

A long term investor should ask themselves if Apple makes great products and if people want to buy them. The way I see it, basically every human on the planet wants a smartphone, a tablet and a computer (and in the case of tablets and computers they probably want more than one). A lot can't afford Apple, but there are more folks every year who can. Apple dominates each of those markets making, basically, the undisputed class leader for quality in each of them. Missing some group's guess about quarterly revenue is a non-event when weighed against the tides of history propelling us to a digital and connected computerized world.
 

riverpoet

macrumors member
Jan 6, 2008
30
3
Cheaper iPhone without sacrificing the thing that matters most - the user experience:

a) Run latest iOS with few features missing, of course.
b) Drop the retina display.
c) Use whatever proc is needed to provide smooth UI in current OS (IOS6 + IP4 for example, is NOT smooth, but without retina, might be)
d) Less storage (8-16GB now, increased when flash prices drop)
e) Price it so that margins won't suffer much.

Current iPhone owners will be horrified at the idea of non-retina iphone, so won't consider buying it = less chance of cannibalization. Those who keep away from Apple because of price will consider controlled & safe iOS environment instead of Samsung/Nokia. Apple logo + nice design will also contribute.
 

sirdir

macrumors 6502
Aug 16, 2006
328
755
cheap

Who thought Apple is going to build something cheap just to get a higher marked share has no clue how Apple defines itself...

About the iPad mini's display: I guess Apple doesn't like it either. It just wasn't possible to get a retina display into the mini without sacrifying battery life and/or thinkness and weight. So it just wasn't bad enough to go for the disadvantages of the retina display.
 

woodbine

macrumors regular
Aug 8, 2010
197
14
Bath, UK
if Apple was to do anything, it should create a phone version of the iPad Mini and also design a very neat BT earpiece to connect.
All the people I know who use the SS Note, use it with an earpiece.
 

BornAgainApple

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2009
608
340
Massachusetts
oh, the one that never bothered ANY of the iphone4 users i knew, and was demonstrable on any phone w/ similar deathgrips?

riiight.

Dude, I had an iPhone 4 and all I had to do was merely touch the two antennae together to cause the data connection to hang. But I lived with it and never bitched about it. I just held it "different".

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Cheaper iPhone without sacrificing the thing that matters most - the user experience:

a) Run latest iOS with few features missing, of course.
b) Drop the retina display.
c) Use whatever proc is needed to provide smooth UI in current OS (IOS6 + IP4 for example, is NOT smooth, but without retina, might be)
d) Less storage (8-16GB now, increased when flash prices drop)
e) Price it so that margins won't suffer much.

Current iPhone owners will be horrified at the idea of non-retina iphone, so won't consider buying it = less chance of cannibalization. Those who keep away from Apple because of price will consider controlled & safe iOS environment instead of Samsung/Nokia. Apple logo + nice design will also contribute.

iOS 6 ran pretty darn smooth on my iPhone 4. Slow...but smooth.
 

mrsir2009

macrumors 604
Sep 17, 2009
7,505
156
Melbourne, Australia
Maybe refreshed internals and LTE with a 3.5" screen? I'd put away my usual smartphone snobbery for that!

I don’t think LTE will be suitable - I mean, LTE is only just starting to catch on in the first world. You’re not going to be seeing LTE in the majority of India and Africa anytime soon ;)
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
8,097
923
In my imagination
Maybe Phil is dizzy from all that spin. A much more accurate way to present this information would be to say "Apple Wouldn't Sacrifice Profit for Market Share in a Cheaper iPhone".

Took you long enough to post this.

Apple's QC hasn't been as high as it was in 2005. It's not sinking fast, but it sure is on a downward slope.

Let's also not forget the quality of certain pieces of software.
 

BornAgainApple

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2009
608
340
Massachusetts
Really? Last time I checked, the buttons on my stove, microwave, dish washer, fridge, washer, and dryer haven't failed me in the 8+ years that I've had them. The home button on my iPhone on the other hand.....not so much. Same goes for my - volume button.

Oh please. How many times a day do you press the buttons on your appliances? Nowhere near as often as you probably use the home button. I'm an average user, and I probably press the home button dozens of times a day and I've never had an issue with the three iPhones I've owned (2G, 4 and now 5).

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Took you long enough to post this.

Apple's QC hasn't been as high as it was in 2005. It's not sinking fast, but it sure is on a downward slope.

Let's also not forget the quality of certain pieces of software.

There's an old saying: the more you make, the more you break.
 

SlCKB0Y

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2012
3,426
555
Sydney, Australia
poles apart in frequency of use. if you were a chef or ran a sizable household you'd have an argument.

You don't think usage patterns of devices are taken into account in product design and testing? Apple should be designing and testing that button with hundreds of thousands of presses in mind.

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There's an old saying: the more you make, the more you break.

Except I believe he meant proportionally.
 

chrisbru

macrumors 6502a
May 8, 2008
809
169
Austin, TX
Really? Last time I checked, the buttons on my stove, microwave, dish washer, fridge, washer, and dryer haven't failed me in the 8+ years that I've had them. The home button on my iPhone on the other hand.....not so much. Same goes for my - volume button.

I bet you've pressed the buttons on each of those devices far less times than you have your home button. Think about it... Things wear out with use, your phone just gets a LOT of use.
 

sagnier

macrumors regular
Sep 19, 2007
128
0
Replace 'quality' with 'a generous profit margin' and you probably get closer to the truth.

Phil's statement i think only really tells half the story: they could make a 'lower quality' phone, maintain profit margins and grab some android marketshare, or they could maintain quality, reduce profits and equally increase their marketshare that way. But both strategies are (apparently) counter to Apple's philosophy.

Of course, Apple is doing just fine with their current pricing, and obviously someone has to be the most expensive (prestigious, luxury etc) brand. This in itself confers benefits. It's just a little annoying for those like me who are a bit hard up and wouldnt mind upgrading their 3GS! (which is still coping fine, if im honest).
 

FireFish

macrumors regular
Sep 12, 2007
235
142
Phil Schiller says No Cheap iPhone

There was once a time that such talk would be considered ludicrus. But it's unfortunately a post-Steve Jobs time for Apple & I see exactly what's hapening there. The company is literally splitting in two directions; you've got the Jobs Visionaries vs. Tim Cook's direction.

Put yourself in Cook's position; he's dying to run the company his way, not make decisions based on what would Steve have done. At the same time, Schiller is less economics and more about the traditional Apple culture.

But if you get to know these guys like I have, you read an article like this and see between the lines right away.

Every news outlet and analyst is basing their rumors on something; and I guarentee you that Schiller has no say in if there's gonna be a cheap one or not. If there's a buck to be made, Cook is all over it. This will be their ultimate downfall, as all empires experience at one point or another.
Read between his words: Apple will never make a cheap iPhone. That doesn't mean they wouldn't consider a more 'economical' configuration, kind of like what the MacBook used to be to the MacBook Pro.
He'll tell you that the word CHEAP is not in their dictionary, and that's because it's his job as head of marketing to make sure that it stays that way.

He's amazing at what he does; and as a true marketing specialist I can tell you he's using his words very wisely. :apple:

On that note, I'm at that tipping point where I'm about to dump the rest of my Apple shares, only because I see their downfall playing out in slow motion over the next 18 months. Steve would know what to do if he was around. No one else has his passion, which is what Apple's valuation was built on to begin with. :(
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
24,170
31,225
On that note, I'm at that tipping point where I'm about to dump the rest of my Apple shares, only because I see their downfall playing out in slow motion over the next 18 months. Steve would know what to do if he was around. No one else has his passion, which is what Apple's valuation was built on to begin with.

Bye Bye.
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medazinol

macrumors 6502
Jul 17, 2002
268
384
Los Angeles
#1 rule with Apple saying "never": "We just mean not now. We need to divert our competitors attention away from what we will really do in a few months".

Apple denied doing phones. Apple denied doing a smaller iPad. Apple siad AppleTV is just a hobby. All these things are disinformation and they're the best at it.
 
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