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I have a 14" M1 Max MacBook pro. It's going on 5 years old. It's a full on 32 Core GPU version with 64GB of RAM. The M1 and M2 Max chips are thermally constrained in the 14" models. I regularly do video editing and, lately local AI/ML video processing that pushes the CPU and GPU. It will regularly sit with the fans going full speed for several hours at a time. I even use a 3rd party app to turn them up manually to maximize thermal performance. I've been using it off and on like this since I got it. Many times even in clamshell mode with the lid closed. No problems.

Since the M3 generation, the Max chips are so efficient that they have no constraints in the 14" models. Pretty much all the 14" M1 Max MacBook pros are still going strong 5 years later, so you can count on any MacBook Pro you buy today being designed to easily handle big loads.
 
I have been working on an M1 Max MacBook Pro since they came out. I FLOG this machine. Final Cut Pro, huge Motion projects, DCP rendering, etc. I've cut two features, I've done a ton of theatre AV, I work on it all day every day, and it often it getting hammered. At this stage in its life I am looking at replacement because I know it will eventually fail, but I don't sit around worrying that I shouldn't be using it because it will wear out prematurely.
 
Sorry but you are reiterating pure nonsense. MBPs are and have been great desktop replacement computers since 2011.

Sure Studios (not Minis) are even better, but so what? If you need mobility use a MBP.

Okay good to know that current MBP's can be safely used as a desktop replacement without causing any damage to the hardware. I sold my Mac mini yesterday and now have the MBP docked through my TB hub and external monitors. I will still monitor the temp and fan speed as this is important to me. Right now it seems to be around 51c from just doing normal tasks. If it gets too hot when video editing, I may need to act on it to get the temps to lower. Right now I have the laptop on a laptop stand to give it more airflow.

Im also going to order the screwdriver to open up the back panel as I am curious how much dust is inside from the last 1.5 years of usage. Don't want any dust inside that could possibly cause the temps to rise. I may even get that laptop cooler as well that I posted about earlier.
 
Well, I do have a soft spot for Apple Silicon Minis, too. If I had one, I would use it as the repository for my photography hobby. 😉

No, they were hot Intel CPUs with attached discrete graphics daughter cards with Nividia or AMD GPUs. I opened them several times, mainly, storage upgrades to, e.g. 512GB/1TB SSD. RAM upgrades were easier - simple cover plate on the bottom. One upgraded to 8GB, the other to (unsupported IIRC) 16 GB. It has been a long time. Regardless, dust was never an issue in those systems. I think a couple of Windows PCs might have had some dust buildup. The Unibody MBPs predated the glued-in systems; OWC had a cottage industry going in Unibody MBP tools and upgrade stuff back then. Anybody with steady hands and good eyesight could do it.

Good to know this, thanks. I think my biggest concern is dust build up inside the MBP over time. I will have to monitor this and hope I dont have to open it up to blow the dust out too often. Any more than once a year of having to do this would be annoying and tedious.

When I had my custom PC I blew dust out of it once a week. But it was super easy to get inside by just opening the glass doors.
 
I have a 14" M1 Max MacBook pro. It's going on 5 years old. It's a full on 32 Core GPU version with 64GB of RAM. The M1 and M2 Max chips are thermally constrained in the 14" models. I regularly do video editing and, lately local AI/ML video processing that pushes the CPU and GPU. It will regularly sit with the fans going full speed for several hours at a time. I even use a 3rd party app to turn them up manually to maximize thermal performance. I've been using it off and on like this since I got it. Many times even in clamshell mode with the lid closed. No problems.

Since the M3 generation, the Max chips are so efficient that they have no constraints in the 14" models. Pretty much all the 14" M1 Max MacBook pros are still going strong 5 years later, so you can count on any MacBook Pro you buy today being designed to easily handle big loads.

This is encouraging to hear. Have you ever had a lot of dust build up inside your machine? How often do you clean the dust out? I'll keep my lid open though, don't want to risk the heat affecting the screen over time. The heat can't be good for it.
 
I guess my concern is a little different: Was the 'Apple rep' wearing an Apple shirt, or merely a Best Buy employee pretending to know something about Macs? If the 'rep' was really from Apple, he or she should be discharged. If the 'rep' was a Best Buy employee, that would be par for their course. FWIW, I am a Best Buy customer when I need something immediately.

I've been running various iterations of MBPs as desktop replacements since 2006 and have never had a problem. I do audio and video editing, certainly, but I take care of my machines. They're built like a door hinge ... meant to be swung wide open from time to time. Doing so won't harm the computer.
 
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I will still monitor the temp and fan speed as this is important to me. Right now it seems to be around 51c from just doing normal tasks. If it gets too hot when video editing, I may need to act on it to get the temps to lower. Right now I have the laptop on a laptop stand to give it more airflow.

Wow, some guy from a store told you a bunch of nonsense and now he lives in your head, rent free. All he wanted to do was to sell you a more expensive desktop computer. You do realize that right?

What exactly will you do when it gets too hot (for your liking) while video editing? Stop video editing? Wait for it to cool down? Not edit while it’s above a certain temperature?
 
I was at Best Buy the other day and the Apple reps there were telling me that people should not be pushing the CPU on MacBook Pros from doing heavy stuff such as video editing. They said this causes heat and the fans to turn up and run at potentially max speed. And over time it will wear out the fans, suck in more dust and could fry the CPU.

Is this true? Is running the fans at high speeds bad for the MacBook Pros? Does it really suck in more air and dust? They said the more the fans run, the sooner they have to be replaced and its better to just buy a new MacBook then because the fans on MacBook Pros are not replaceable.

They said MacBook Pros aren't meant to be pushed and that they always recommend people to buy desktops for heavy stuff like video editing. And if people really need a mobile computer, then to buy something like a Mac mini and portable monitor.

I'm concerned now. I do run an app on my MacBook Pro in the background and it 24/7 shows my fan speed. But now that Ive been informed this information I feel that I must watch my fan speeds in the top bar all the time.
I know more than most people that work at best buy/apple about macs… I’ve been helping people with their apple products for now 4 years and I know a lot about macs… Don’t be afraid, MacBooks are well done ! Don’t you see how fans run on gaming pcs?
 
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@DeepSix I have had Macs for almost 20 years. And I have had various silicon models M1-M5, and I have NEVER opened them up for any reason - why would I? It's not *recommended* maintenance for end users, even though many do it and that's fine - they are pros. I have never cleaned dust out.

Also - I use my laptops hard (I am a software developer); for a few years I have had a little temp icon on my menu bar, and specifically my M4 and M5 have never gotten above around 130-140 degrees F. I have read that very heavy sustained use can push it to 190-200, but they are unofficially rated to around 212 F. Well before that though, the machine will ramp up fans, reduce clock speeds, and ultimately force sleep/shutdown if things are getting unsafe.

But in my experience, there is no reason at all the get a cooling pad. That bozo at the store really scared you, and I hope you see from the (*serious* *cough cough*) posts here, you really have nothing to worry about in normal use. You will look back and chuckle about this one day.
 
I'd absolutely get a cooling pad - the bigger the better. Gaming pads are best because you have RGB control. Blue lighting gets you a much cooler temperature profile. Skeptics will tell you it's not worth it, but if you get even another 3 months of life out of your MBP the pad pays for itself.

Also, nobody talks about this, but hit up your trackpad settings. Dial down the tracking speed. I know some users like a fast pointer, but your CPU has to work a lot harder to update the position more often. I recommend having the slider set at no more than a third. That gives your CPU more overhead for the important stuff, and will generally yield a cooler laptop, which will increase longevity.
 
I have a 14" M1 Max MacBook pro. It's going on 5 years old. It's a full on 32 Core GPU version with 64GB of RAM. The M1 and M2 Max chips are thermally constrained in the 14" models. I regularly do video editing and, lately local AI/ML video processing that pushes the CPU and GPU. It will regularly sit with the fans going full speed for several hours at a time. I even use a 3rd party app to turn them up manually to maximize thermal performance. I've been using it off and on like this since I got it. Many times even in clamshell mode with the lid closed. No problems.

Since the M3 generation, the Max chips are so efficient that they have no constraints in the 14" models. Pretty much all the 14" M1 Max MacBook pros are still going strong 5 years later, so you can count on any MacBook Pro you buy today being designed to easily handle big loads.
I have the same model, and I often mine crypto with mine during my entire workday. This uses every bit of spare CPU power that's available. It has never caused a problem, and the fans are still quieter than they were on my 2016 15" MBP even when I was doing the most basic work possible.
 
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I used to think MBPs were engineered for maximum sustained load, but a friend of mine had a M4 MBP with 64gb that he was using to run LLMs. It died after 3 months of extremely heavy use. AppleCare replaced it without a hassle, but he said the fans were regularly running at max and at the time he thought it was fine... but in reality, it wasn't.

You're welcome to prove him wrong, but I wonder if the laptops were really designed for this use case. I've never heard of problems with anything else though. Even heavy gaming should be fine.

This previous MBP of yours that lasted you 8 years, you pushed it often and with the fans and temps up? My concern is how much more dust it will suck in when the fans are spinning aggressively.
Well, I have a 2012 11" MacBook Air which I used a lot. I ran AutoCAD on it for 12 years, until I upgraded to my M3 Pro. I customised the fan curves on both systems to run more aggressively. That Air is still chugging along, and my M3 Pro is still amazing. I don't go easy on them either. I take care of them, they're clean and in great physical condition, but I'm using the computing power I paid for! LLMs, games, work, etc. I have the fans spun up for hors a day on my M3, and the i7 Air had its fans running pretty hard most of the time.

I look for more I can do on my Mac, I'm not concerned. These things are great.
 
Go for it. A MBP with at least as much RAM will outperform any Mini all day long. And the MBP is available with much more RAM.

The one thing that MBPs lack that a Mini has is an Ethernet port, so if you need Ethernet it means using one of the MBP's three Thunderbolt 5 ports into a dongle or a dock.

That's the main reason why I'm selling my M4 mini. I find that having two Mac computers is redundant and I got tired of having to do everything twice - run updates twice, install programs twice, move folders twice, change settings twice, back up to time machine twice, etc.

Besides my M4 MBP outperforms the base model mini in heavier tasks and it's noticeable. The good news is all the accessories that I bought for the mini like thunderbolt hub, USBC docks, I will just use that with my MBP, so it won't be money wasted.

One of my USBC hubs have an Ethernet port on it. But since I find Wi-Fi to be so reliable I won't bother with it unless I'm out somewhere and have bad Wi-Fi. It's good to have anyways.
 
tape the ports and intakes to keep bugs out is so wrong you got me to laugh thank you.


at the op. running any gear at 100% max endlessly is bad for the gear. heat is a gear killer. fans running at top speed 24/7/365 will wear the fan out.

the best fans have a 50,000 hour rating.

but an hour hear and an hour there. say 20 hours a week max you should be okay.


as for evidence i have been in IT since 1975 and have used 1,000 plus pcs laptops extra along with 2500 plus bitcoin mining machines.

100 percent heat and 100 percent fan speed for 24 hours a day every day kills gear.
 
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tape the ports and intakes to keep bugs out is so wrong you got me to laugh thank you.


at the op. running any gear at 100% max endlessly is bad for the gear. heat is a gear killer. fans running at top speed 24/7/365 will wear the fan out.

the best fans have a 50,000 hour rating.

but an hour hear and an hour there. say 20 hours a week max you should be okay.


as for evidence i have been in IT since 1975 and have used 1,000 plus pcs laptops extra along with 2500 plus bitcoin mining machines.

100 percent heat and 100 percent fan speed for 24 hours a day every day kills gear.

I agree with what you are trying to convey here but I’d argue a few points further. You mention fans rated at 50,000 hours. Why would anyone need to be mindful if they are running hard “an hour here or there.” Im not even being snarky but posing it rhetorically to everyone so to show a full time job is c considered 2000/2080 hours a year. If it is a full time job on the computer then it would take more than 20 years to burn them out.

Now that is just discussion of fans and I have a new monster pc gaming laptop that I think has a fan on the fritz I may need to replace. But at the worst case, it is a very cheap part of the computer. I’m not familiar anymore with Apple MacBooks and if they need to be sent in due to proprietary architecture, but fans are cheap and not remotely difficult to repair so it shouldn’t be on one’s radar in my opinion.

Regarding the CPU, or I suppose the SoC or APU or whatever it is in Macbook products, they are engineered and tested to run at the limits of their performance and are benchmarked and advertised as such. Temp worries have long been a concern of forum goers for 2 decades and I was one of them. I’m not saying don’t monitor things, or that higher temps don’t degrade quicker. However it is likely that the computer will outlive the users use case before upgrading down the road.

In 20 years of high end laptop gaming and desktop building, I haven’t had a CPU die out. It is anecdotal for sure but these silicon components work for long times in much more stressful environments in giant racks with awful cooling. These SoCs that integrate a unified architecture with all the components are very efficient.

Finally to use the car example as I’m a car nut, mechanical things benefit from being in motion and used. The cars that have the most issues are not the ones with the most miles, they are the ones with the least. Cars that sit, typically have the gaskets break down, seals become insufficient and no history or “muscle memory” of being properly started, warmed up, driven etc. thermodynamics are essential in racing and while one can argue the track used cars are the most at risk due to heat cycles, it matters more how one properly uses the machine. Same for these computers. Run it for whatever uses are needed, take care of the computer, don’t run a simulation on a pillow whilst leaving a full coffee next to your cat that could knock it over!

The advice from Best Buy is just awful in this instance. I also use compressed air (controversial to some I realize” and carefully blow dust out of the exhaust vents by going through the intake while the system fans are running. I always have a few cans nearby to use on my electronics because dust really can be problematic but that also was more of an issue with mechanical hard drives.
 
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The only time I used a laptop cooler was when I had a 2016? 15' MBP with an Intel processor and a graphics card. It didn't help that much... That laptop was used for years and years and always was screaming fans at full speed and would melt anything you put it on. It's ... still in use today... yep. Fans are just fine.

Never had an issue with my personal M1 Max running full bore CPU fans (happens rarely) - but if they were I wouldn't worry about it - these machines last forever even when pushed really hard.

If you're worried - get AppleCare+.


For the sake of this thread, I took a can of air... and dusted the air intakes and rear of my 2022 16' MBP that has been used every day since I got it. No dust came out. ...................
 
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If you're pushing your CPUs that hard, why not just get a Mac Studio—and maybe a Neo or Air for traveling—instead of agonizing over it and looking for anecdotal evidence of something that I doubt is even a real problem?
 
I was at Best Buy the other day and the Apple reps there were telling me that people should not be pushing the CPU on MacBook Pros from doing heavy stuff such as video editing..

It is often you making these topics about fans wearing out isn't it?

There are no Apple employees working at Best Buy. Whoever told you that information doesn't know what they're talking about.

But the real question is when will you stop pushing the idea that using any Mac at all is going to somehow "wear it out"? You made a thread in the past suggesting people buy both a MacBook and Mac Mini purely because spreading usage across both would stop them from wearing out...
 
That's the main reason why I'm selling my M4 mini. I find that having two Mac computers is redundant and I got tired of having to do everything twice - run updates twice, install programs twice, move folders twice, change settings twice, back up to time machine twice, etc..

But you insisted that it was a good idea to have two functionally identical machines because what if the extra usage wore one out faster 🤣
 
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It is often you making these topics about fans wearing out isn't it?

There are no Apple employees working at Best Buy. Whoever told you that information doesn't know what they're talking about.

But the real question is when will you stop pushing the idea that using any Mac at all is going to somehow "wear it out"? You made a thread in the past suggesting people buy both a MacBook and Mac Mini purely because spreading usage across both would stop them from wearing out...
I am very sympathetic to op. He has ocd/paranoia post history about fans/dust and so on, but I do hope he does what ever helps him to feel calm.
 
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