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AngerDanger

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Dec 9, 2008
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Ridiculous comment. Computers are much, much more than twice as fast as bananas in breaking encryption. Maybe they were closer back in the '90s.

Hey, back off, man! If you think you can find a more up-do-date source for banana verses computer computations, feel free to post it, but don't drag me through the mud!
 

Agent-P

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Dec 5, 2009
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I'm still trying to work out how you get from "Factoring Attack on RSA-EXPORT Keys" to FREAK. This is taking acronym creation into a whole new dimension.

That was my biggest hangup from the article too (which says something about me). Forget the content, that acronym makes no sense!
 

scaredpoet

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Apr 6, 2007
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No impact on Windows?

If you look at the website, the issue mitigation seems to be focused more on servers rather than clients. Though, it's possible that IE simply rejects the use of RSA-EXPORT keys, while Safari and Google's browser for Android Mobile devices still permits them. The fix on the client side then, would be in patching these browsers.

My guess is the issue on the browser side is somewhere in WebKit source code, and that's where the client-side vulnerability lies. On the server end, it just stems from the fact that the current default Apache configuration will tolerate connections from all sorts of old, insecure ciphers.

Also, how did this end up impacting open source software?

See above.

It seems to me the open source community would just ignore any laws like this (who would be busted for it?) And OS X comes from BSD, which is open source, did it not?

While BSD itself probably has nothing to do with it, the answer is pretty simple: at the time, if Apple was found to be exporting "strong" encryption to banned countries, they'd face some stiff fines at the very least, and at worst Steve could've faced jail time, inventory could've been confiscated, etc. Doesn't matter if they didn't write it themselves... if it's on the hard drive of the computer they're selling, they would've been held responsible for it.

Likewise, companies like AOL (which own Netscape, forerunner of Firefox) had to take reasonable extra care to allow export-only versions of their browser to be downloaded outside of the US or permitted ally-countries.

In reality, sure, it probably happened a lot that maybe someone accidentally took a laptop with "strong" encryption with them on a trip to Iran or something, and they might've gotten away with it too. But if there were any reason the government wanted to give you a hard time, and it was easy to prove your export controls were sloppy, that's what they would zero in on.
 

nagromme

macrumors G5
May 2, 2002
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Export Grade meat ain't half bad, though. Don't let the appearance and smell fool you. Give it a chance!
 

sbailey4

macrumors 601
Dec 5, 2011
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USA
I'm still trying to work out how you get from "Factoring Attack on RSA-EXPORT Keys" to FREAK. This is taking acronym creation into a whole new dimension.

That was my biggest hangup from the article too (which says something about me). Forget the content, that acronym makes no sense!

Maybe its "Factoring Rsa Export Attack Keys" instead :)
 

coolfactor

macrumors 604
Jul 29, 2002
7,202
9,992
Vancouver, BC
I mean….
...from a U.S. government policy that once prevented companies from exporting strong encryption, requiring them to instead create weak "export-grade" products to ship to customers outside of the United States

WTF??

Yes, back in the early days of the web, there was a "secure" version of Netscape Navigator that you had to purchase a good deal of money for in order to obtain it outside the US borders. It was due to the use of 1024-bit encryption or some such thing.

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Will the fx be Yosemite only?

Are you one of those holding on to Mavericks with a death grip?
 

KdParker

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Oct 1, 2010
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Everywhere
another one of those security flaw reports where you get the sinking feeling that the hackers that apple and others are fighting are the governments themselves.

let's just put skynet online and get it over with.

Who said skynet is not live already.
 

apfelmark

macrumors newbie
Apr 28, 2014
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Yes, back in the early days of the web, there was a "secure" version of Netscape Navigator that you had to purchase a good deal of money for in order to obtain it outside the US borders. It was due to the use of 1024-bit encryption or some such thing.

Remembering those times makes me feel so old :(
 

dempson

macrumors regular
Jun 10, 2007
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14
Wellington, New Zealand
Will the fx be Yosemite only?

Apple is currently supporting Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite with security updates and Safari updates, so it is reasonable to assume they will all get this problem fixed, probably via a Safari update. Safari will still be vulnerable in Lion and earlier. (Firefox is apparently not affected by this issue, and Chrome is supposed to be getting an update shortly.)

On iOS, I'd expect this fix to be included in the public release of 8.2 after the media event next Monday, assuming Apple found out about it early enough to include it in that version, otherwise they might release 8.2.1 and skip 8.2. iOS 8.1.x and earlier (including iOS 7.x or earlier major versions) will still be vulnerable.

If Apple thinks this is a serious enough issue, they might also release an iOS 7 update for the iPhone 4 (only), as happened previously with "late" iOS 6 updates for security fixes on devices not supported by iOS 7 (e.g. iPhone 3GS).
 

V.K.

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Dec 5, 2007
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Toronto, Canada
Both this article and the original Washington Post story do an absolutely terrible job explaining what this bug is, how it can be exploited and what it has to do with Google and Apple.
At the very least they should mention that while Safari and Chrome on OS X are vulnerable to FREAK, Firefox is not.
I had to go to Ars to read a good and understandable explanation of what the heck this is really about.
 
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Oletros

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Jul 27, 2009
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Premià de Mar
I mean….
...from a U.S. government policy that once prevented companies from exporting strong encryption, requiring them to instead create weak "export-grade" products to ship to customers outside of the United States

WTF??

PGP was available outside USA as a listing in a whole book because of that law. Exporting software was forbidden, but books were allowed.
 

japanime

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Feb 27, 2006
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Yes, back in the early days of the web, there was a "secure" version of Netscape Navigator that you had to purchase a good deal of money for in order to obtain it outside the US borders. It was due to the use of 1024-bit encryption or some such thing.


I remember it well. Here in Japan, I couldn't legally download the US version of Netscape (because, I guess, Japan was one of the "rogue nations" the US spooks were trying to thwart).

Anyway, I simply went through a US proxy server and downloaded the secure version.

Those were the days...
 

MCSN

macrumors regular
Feb 7, 2012
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Kayenta
maybe they should call it the

NSA Enabled Acquired Tek Factoring Attack on RSA-EXPORT Keys.

aka NEAT FREAK vulnerability

now I could use a vulnerability like that.
 

sjinsjca

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Oct 30, 2008
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I mean….
...from a U.S. government policy that once prevented companies from exporting strong encryption, requiring them to instead create weak "export-grade" products to ship to customers outside of the United States

WTF??

This was in the era that nearly saw Phil Zimmermann prosecuted for PGP. He ended up publishing it as a book to underscore the rush to censorship that was going on in Washington. There were two attempts (that I know of) to sneak draconian encryption-criminalization wording into unrelated bills-- both by then-Senator Joe Biden.
 

Tech198

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Mar 21, 2011
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Freak !!

What word is next i wonder...

I would add, anytime the government gets evolved in anything u have trouble when encryption is also mentioned.

Maybe its about time to stop using all tech.... Through that iPhone out the window like u saw in so many TV shows/movies.

I have no problem with that. :D
 
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PinkyMacGodess

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Mar 7, 2007
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Ooops...

I still find it disgusting on a high level that our government would know about flaws in software that corporations and people use, and not alert anyone about it, and work to exploit those flaws to spy on us.

And including 'backdoors' only goes as far as that 'backdoor' is hidden, and given the sophistication if hackers and investigators these days, they aren't likely to stay hidden for very long.
 
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