Fortunately UPS are picking this one up tomorrow to take it back to Apple
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Under stress GPU 78°C, battery 37°C. Idle GPU 60°C, battery 36°C.
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Retina MBP UI performance - with video
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Fortunately UPS are picking this one up tomorrow to take it back to Apple
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Under stress GPU 78°C, battery 37°C. Idle GPU 60°C, battery 36°C.
I have now, however, found a really good way to demonstrate the relative UI lags of my old and new macbook pros. Open 24 chrome windows and bash the app expose button. On my old macbook pro the animations appear smooth throughout. On the rMBP they animations are choppy even on best for retina.
So I guess not everything is 50-60fps.
So I guess not everything is 50-60fps.
That's a very realistic test. You know what, if I launch Photoshop and open several 30+ MP files, open my newsletter in InDesign, pull up a detailed drawing in Illustrator, open 24 browser windows and who knows what else, I might also max out my RAM. I guess that must mean there's something wrong with the machine. You can always create an extreme test to prove a point, but the test is not a realistic one because it represents an extreme that would rarely, if ever, be encountered in normal use.
A test that run smoothly on old HW and lags on new HW proves something... It is called Regression
A test that run smoothly on old HW and lags on new HW proves something... It is called Regression
I call it useless and looking for fault where none exists. You'll give yourself cancer, quit it. LOL
You are probably a nice guy, but reread your posts, they are a continuous copy-paste of the same nonsense. Please, click the "Pause" button and try to understand what people are trying to say. You are taking too personal the critics toward the rMBP and acting like a mad dog...
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Considering that the machine will turn off at a certain temperature well before damage would set in.
I'm not sure there is a serious risk.
Oh, sorry, I assumed that the KEXT people are disabling contains power throttling settings to do exactly that - protect your machine from damage. By removing this KEXT and removing the Mac's ability to throttle the GPU power state, aren't we also removing the Mac's ability to lower its own temperature when things get too hot? Or do we know for sure that there is a hardware-based protection mechanism? If there is a hardware protection mechanism, that will protect the machine from immediate damage - but won't running the machine at higher overall temps over the course of its life reduce battery life and possibly cause other issues with the SSD drive and other electronic components?
My question is, why does Apple have this KEXT in place if it weren't needed?
If you don't like the method don't post in this thread.
If however you don't understand how the kext works I will be happy to explain.
The kext we are referring to controls the clock speeds for the discrete GPU, contained within that particular mac. It has nothing to with the thermal management it simply affects the different levels of performance.
By deleting it will force the GPU to run at it's maximum default clock setting.
I hope this has helped you.
I posted because I did not understand what the KEXT does, there's no need to be rude.
This was in the will they release a 13' rMBP now thread. I found it be a better fit here because relates to current issues with video and whether a software or hardware will resolve this current problems.
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For the record, citing years of experience and knowledge about computers, specifically this 2012 crop of MacBook Pros, and how they work, I stand by the quoted statement and would love to be seen proven wrong by someone giving a more technical explanation that at least addresses my arguments.
This is why I posted my lag-free video, to prove wrong those who complain endlessly about UI lag issues but suspiciously aren't able to post a video showing any problem. When you ask people to put up or shut up, the result is usually the latter.
No no no it's not. I've had auto-switching disabled since I first hit the issues. Scrolling is INSANELY slow. I'm now ready to sell this GD thing as they haven't issued an update to make it usable enough even for comfortable web browsing.
This laptop is slower than any other laptop I've ever used ( while running OS X only ). Works very well at work with my 5 27" Dell monitors under Win 7.
Suspiciously aren't able to post a video? I just downloaded some screen capturing software, and recorded absolutely embarrassing performance for a 2012 machine that costs about $3,000.
Literally my gramma's $400 Samsung's graphics performance ( at 1920x1200 ) puts my Retina Mac to shame.
I mean look at even just resizing the app store window.... How can you say there's not an extremely blatant, crippling issue?
http://www.screencast.com/t/6cLv5s7hzK
So glad I didn't get the 2.3; Mine doesn't do any of that. Sorry about your machine. Not sure what's wrong with it.
I see exactly the same (terrible) performance on resizing the App Store on my 2012 octo-core MacPro with ATI 5870 as my rMBP 2.6Ghz
Measured using XCode's OpenGL driver monitor:
MP: 11.2 fps
rMBP: 11.1 fps
I also see glitches (stuttering during scrolling rather than lag) using Chrome on the Verge on the Mac Pro (not in Opera). This is (again) not anything specific to the rMBP as far as I can see, and if anything is simply a reason to switch to Linux/Windows. The App Store is IMO the best demonstration on any Mac that that Apple need to do some serious work on their HTML renderer and OpenGL performance...
Measured using XCode's OpenGL driver monitor:
MP: 11.2 fps
rMBP: 11.1 fps
I also see glitches (stuttering during scrolling rather than lag) using Chrome on the Verge on the Mac Pro (not in Opera). This is (again) not anything specific to the rMBP as far as I can see, and if anything is simply a reason to switch to Linux/Windows. The App Store is IMO the best demonstration on any Mac that that Apple need to do some serious work on their HTML renderer and OpenGL performance...
Again, it DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY is specific to the rMBP. I've literally had more than 10 MacBook Pros in the last 5 years and 2 Airs and never hit this issue before. The Airs can clench up slightly but not like this.
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Seriously? Man I want to believe you. I'm going to take it into the Apple store Saturday and
1. Have them look at it
2. Play around with the higher processor model. If it legitimately solves all of those issues I'll just pick one up. It'd be worth it. You just got me really excited about using a legitimate laptop again.
this is exactly the same issues i've been having. that appstore resizing is something that is a serious issue. how are there no solutions to this yet? i'm absolutely appalled. if apple allowed upgrading from the 2.3 to the 2.6 for $100 dollars at launch it would have been an obvious upgrade, they really ****ed me on this one.
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I did this EXACT same thing. They were absolutely ****ing clueless. We went to every single rMBP they had on display and they were all 2.3's. And yes, the "genius" was able to reproduce the same lag on the display models. And he had not a single ****ing answer for me. Biggest waste of an hour in my life. WE NEED A ****ING SOLUTION.
As my retina MBP (base 2.3 model) has arrived yesterday, I was able to do some testing. First of all, I didn't notice any experience-ruining performance issues some people report. Yes, it lags on the verge.com, but so does any other Mac I have tested. In comparison: the Quartz Debug shows around 25-35 fps when quickly scrolling The Verge up and down on my 2009 MBP (1440x900) and 35-45 fps when doing the same at the rMBP (1920x1200). CPU utilisation is also much better. No, its not 'buttery smooth', but then, no other machine I've seen does it any better.
I also can't confirm any performance problems with Mission Control. Shifting spaces exhibits some tearing, this seems to be a vsync issue. Resizing App Store is indeed very bad, but this is clearly a bug of the App Store itself. Also, I wonder what kind of user gets the rMBP just to resize App Store all day long. I hardly use the thing.
Overall, my experience so far has been overwhelmingly positive. This is a very fast, responsive machine which is incredibly light at the same time. The display is simply amazing and makes working with text so much more fun. The web content, even not retina-optimized looks much better in comparison to my 2009 MBP, which seems very washed out and dull when put side-to-side with the retina.
I also can't confirm any performance problems with Mission Control. Shifting spaces exhibits some tearing, this seems to be a vsync issue. Resizing App Store is indeed very bad, but this is clearly a bug of the App Store itself. Also, I wonder what kind of user gets the rMBP just to resize App Store all day long. I hardly use the thing.
Overall, my experience so far has been overwhelmingly positive. This is a very fast, responsive machine which is incredibly light at the same time. The display is simply amazing and makes working with text so much more fun. The web content, even not retina-optimized looks much better in comparison to my 2009 MBP, which seems very washed out and dull when put side-to-side with the retina.
Well, I see stuttering App Store resize on a 2010 MP (10.7.4 Nvidia 8800 GT), at least 2 2012 MPs (10.7.4 and 10.8.0 ATI 5770 and 5870 GPUs respectively, both octo-core) and my 2010 15" i5 MBP (10.8 NVidia 330M) as well as my 2.6 rMBP (10.8). Whether I use OpenGL driver monitor or Quartz debug I see equivalent low framerates across all Macs tested. I really can't see how my
Add a 2012 octocore Mac Pro with ATI 5870 to that list, which also stutters and OpenGL monitor driver shows similar fps values. I also gave my Dell Precision Xeon Workstation (Nvidia 9800GT, Win 7) a go, and neither is that buttery smooth on The Verge.
That is my experience with the 2.6 too, mission control is always smooth (even in HiDPI 1200p), as is spaces switching within mission control, and only when switching spaces directly using gestures or ⌘→/← do I see non-deterministic mild stuttering (which is not major)
+1 — the benefits of ~220DPI and an IPS panel are so overwhelming, actually working on this thing[1] is pure pleasure.
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[1] rather than obsessing over an occasional dropped frame only under amazingly specific circumstances. There are lots of more critical things to be utterly frustrated at Apple over IMO.
That's funny because I was just wondering what kind of new-to-computers, overly optimistic and self-depriving user would convince themselves that an experience like this was "overwhelmingly positive" and "very fast" HAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAH HAHAHA that's me laughing hysterically in all caps at your expense bud.
Good commercial though.
I mean Jesus Christ have you tried to actually do any work on it? The app store is just a prototypical example of the terrible graphical performance across the board ( with a few confusing exceptions like Mission Control being fluid ). Trying to use the retina MBP for work work ( web development ) with even only 3 of my 5 monitors at work slows it down and the mouse movement just gets muddy, legitimately crippling my use of it as a "pro" machine to do "pro" work all day.
It's fine if you're living a quaint, calm, lag-compatible life and just love the buttons out of your brand new status symbol but for those of us that have to produce and execute what's called "a career" ( grown up talk ) every day it's completely unacceptable and pretty ironically, that's actually who this line of laptop was originally intended for when named.
Last of all get your eyeballs and sanity checked, web content does NOT look better, it's a worldwide consensus that it looks much worse, essentially the equivalent of swapping out all of the web's imagery with 1/4 resolution images. Text looks wonderful ( why I bought it ) but please don't delude yourself let alone mislead others into thinking that ********, blurrier images are "just better" and that your laptop, by default, for having an Apple logo on the back is too. Please be rational.
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Have been programming, running heavy simulations, Windows + Linux in a VM, creating presentations and writing papers on it all day long. Its fast as hell. Didn't notice any of that 'terrible graphical performance".
The web content looks better than on a regular MBP screen. I have my 2009 MBP right here besides the rMBP. The only problems I've seen are very rare web button images which are probably even lower res from beginning and thus get messed up when scaled. Funnily enough, one of such buttons was present at Apple's website.
Of course, HiDPI aware websites look better, but you can't have everything, can you? Sure, some pictures might appear less detailed when contrasted with the sharp text, but I hardly see it as a problem. The image quality is still better then a regular screen.
BTW, the attempts of personal insults in your post strangely contrast with your talk about 'being adult".
Edit: buttons on MR could also be a bit better looking. They arrear washed out because of the pre-rendered text.