San Francisco Police Did Assist Apple in House Search of iPhone 5

[spaceywilly]

So....why hasn't someone leaked the phone and made a crapload of money in the process?

Because the real money is in corporate espionage. The phone is somewhere in Korea being torn apart by Samsung engineers. This guy is not as dumb as the one that stole the iphone 4. Just look at how he has turned it around already to make himself look like the victim. The phone's GPS said it was at this guy's house. He admitted to being at the bar. Seems pretty guilty to me.

 

[weespeed]

Why? He has no case. He didn't have to let them in if they didn't have a warrant. It's not like the police physically harmed or threatened him. They just asked to take a look around. He didn't have to say yes, but he did.

And you know this because you were there??

And the lawyers for Mr. Sergio Calderón will have a field day with this if the SFPD and Apple employee questioned his legal residence status as well as the other people in the house and used that to persuade him to let them search his house and his car.

It's not done. Not at all.

 

[cere]

Why? He has no case. He didn't have to let them in if they didn't have a warrant. It's not like the police physically harmed or threatened him. They just asked to take a look around. He didn't have to say yes, but he did.

Are you sure? At what type of intimidation to gain entry and consent to search would it be a problem. Did he know he could say no? Police read you your rights for a reason, because not everyone is aware. Four or six police officer show up are your home asking to search it might make someone believe they are obligated to allow the search, otherwise why are the police there? Moral support?

 

[Ries]

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1) threatening to deport someone, or investigate their citizenship isn't racism. It may be motivated by racism, but it's more likely just trying to find leverage over a 'suspect'(for lack of a better word).
2) if he is a legal citizen, how can his citizenship status be used as a threat against him?
3) as a citizen, he should understand his rights and not be intimidated by the mere presence of police. If he can be intimidated that easily I feel sorry for him.

2) by theatening to take away his citizenship status?

3) You mean like the people on guantanamo understand their rights? cause guilty or not, out there you got none...

 

[cere]

Because the real money is in corporate espionage. The phone is somewhere in Japan being torn apart by Samsung engineers. This guy is not as dumb as the one that stole the iphone 4. Just look at how he has turned it around already to make himself look like the victim.

You don't know he wasn't a victim. You tend to go to bars by yourself? I don't. I usually go with friends. Maybe he went with friends and his friends stopped by his house or dropped him off after the bar or had a party there afterwards. Who know. The most you can claim to know is that he was at the bar and Apple tracked the phone to having been, at some unknown time, in proximity to his house. That's it. You don't know if he took it or not.

 

[weespeed]

Are you sure? At what type of intimidation to gain entry and consent to search would it be a problem. Did he know he could say no? Police read you your rights for a reason, because not everyone is aware. Four or six police officer show up are your home asking to search it might make someone believe they are obligated to allow the search, otherwise why are the police there? Moral support?

People don't understand the context of the situation.
Mr. Sergio Calderón is an immigrant. A legal immigrant and immigrants don't trust the police. Especially if they came from a police state.

So the threat may not be real to some people here in the us, the threat could be very real to Mr. Sergio Calderón and his family.

 

[moebius]

I find amazing how people excuse apple and the SFPD here!

The next time i misplace my IPhone, I expect the police to come with me wherever "find my phone" is indicating it is.

I hope this is routine procedure.

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people don't understand the context of the situation.
Mr. Sergio calderón is an immigrant. A legal immigrant and immigrants don't trust the police. Especially if they came from a police state.

So the threat may not be real to some people here in the us, the threat could be very real to mr. Sergio calderón and his family.

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[bkushner]

Why is Apple searching someone's home?

Because they asked and were given permission. Because the house probably had their phone in it.

 

[backinblack875]

I find amazing how people excuse apple and the SFPD here!

The next time i misplace my IPhone, I expect the police to come with me wherever "find my phone" is indicating it is.

I hope this is routine procedure.

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What was such an injustice??? The police ASKED if they could search the place, he said YES. no issue. Oh, and maybe you missed the part where a very valuable prototype was STOLEN > THEFT > CRIME.

 

[Chucky]

Because the real money is in corporate espionage. The phone is somewhere in Japan being torn apart by Samsung engineers. This guy is not as dumb as the one that stole the iphone 4. Just look at how he has turned it around already to make himself look like the victim. The phone's GPS said it was at this guy's house. He admitted to being at the bar. Seems pretty guilty to me.

If you're trying to be witty at least get your info straight. Samsung is a Korean company with their headquarters in Korea not Japan.

 

[Ries]

"My understanding is that they stood outside. They just assisted Apple to the address."

Joke:
How many policemen does it take to assist someone to an address?

Apparently 4...

 

[blahblah100]

The police were wrong and the source of the original story was wrong. Apple did no wrong here. The SFPD did.

For some reason, I don't believe you would feel this way if every fact were identical, yet the company was Google, Microsoft, Samsung, etc. The fact that you think Apple did no wrong here is borderline delusional.

 

[Mimpd123]

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1) threatening to deport someone, or investigate their citizenship isn't racism. It may be motivated by racism, but it's more likely just trying to find leverage over a 'suspect'(for lack of a better word).
2) if he is a legal citizen, how can his citizenship status be used as a threat against him?
3) as a citizen, he should understand his rights and not be intimidated by the mere presence of police. If he can be intimidated that easily I feel sorry for him.

2) by theatening to take away his citizenship status?

3) You mean like the people on guantanamo understand their rights? cause guilty or not, out there you got none...

Wow. A stolen iPhone is now comparable to an act of terrorism. Way to stretch the imagination. (no I don't agree with any citizen ever being held by their government or with their government's consent without due process in a fair court with at least the option of a trial by jury)

 

[Apple 26.2]

And all at the tax payer expense... win!

 

[blahblah100]

Wow. A stolen iPhone is now comparable to an act of terrorism. Way to stretch the imagination. (no I don't agree with any citizen ever being held by their government or with their government's consent without due process in a fair court with at least the option of a trial by jury)

Stolen? Speaking of stretching the imagination...

 

[Mimpd123]

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People are having a hardtime understanding why the police escorted the apple guys to the address. Let me draw a correlation to my car.
Worth much less than the prototype iPhone 5. If it was stolen, and I called it in as stolen but had a gps lock on it, they would arrive at the scene. Apprehend/interview anyone at the scene. I would probably arrive about the same time(or earlier since I would be the one who knew where it was so I would already be on my way).
The difference is that I would file a report and have the jerk arrested, but apple just wanted to recover the phone and keep it as hush hush as possible.

So, police involvement makes very much sence if understood that way.

 

[RiverCitySlim]

I wonder what caused the SFPD to change their story? Tim and Steve must have bought a few tickets to the policeman's ball.

 

[AreYouIn?]

I don't care one bit about this "investigation" if it doesn't give me any hint about what my next phone will look like or at least some features.

 

[Mimpd123]

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Wow. A stolen iPhone is now comparable to an act of terrorism. Way to stretch the imagination. (no I don't agree with any citizen ever being held by their government or with their government's consent without due process in a fair court with at least the option of a trial by jury)

Stolen? Speaking of stretching the imagination...

Lost items usually don't walk off by them selves. When someone assists with them walking off, it's stolen.
And don't try and sell that it was found. If so, he should have reported it. Not taken it home with him. Before you attempt to say he is actually innocent, he admitted to being at the bar, and apple just happened to ping the phone at his address?
Seems that stolen fits quite nicely.

 

[realeric]

Because the real money is in corporate espionage. The phone is somewhere in Japan being torn apart by Samsung engineers. This guy is not as dumb as the one that stole the iphone 4. Just look at how he has turned it around already to make himself look like the victim. The phone's GPS said it was at this guy's house. He admitted to being at the bar. Seems pretty guilty to me.

It will be somewhere in Korea not in Japan because Samsung is located in Korea.

 

[kas23]

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And also the problem is that even if Apple was involved with shady business, people would defend them at all costs. Not normal at all.

No one did so, nor do I recall ever having done so. Because Apple hasn't actually been convicted of any such thing, at least in recent memory.

So there's nothing that needs to be defended in the first place.

Presumably the san francisco police will do this for everyone that loses a phone.

If your phone was actually a corporate prototype worth billions of dollars, then maybe.

A prototype worth billions of dollars? You're laughable. There is far more to this story than we are lead to believe. What about that dude who quickly erased his LinkedIn page? Was that just normal procedure? And why 3-4 plainclothes cops? Wouldn't just one suffice?

How much is this phone "worth" anyways? Seems to me it would be worth only the sum of it's parts, say $200 or so. How could it be worth any more, assuming Apple has patented any unique characteristics. If anyone would see this prototype and attempt to rip it off, all Apple would have to do is show their prototype, which would be proof they had the idea first.

 

[Ries]

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Wow. A stolen iPhone is now comparable to an act of terrorism. Way to stretch the imagination. (no I don't agree with any citizen ever being held by their government or with their government's consent without due process in a fair court with at least the option of a trial by jury)

The point is that you claim he should know his rights and not be easily intimidated. How ever, america has an area where those rights are worth nothing. I mean, even the thing with policemen charging people for filming them doing "illegal" stuff, claiming its wiretapping... american rights has been on a decline since 9/11.

You wouldn't been intimidated with 4 police officers and the MAFIAA show up at your doorstep saying, let us in or we will sue you for 100.000$? knowing you didn't do it, would you really say **** off or let them search your house?

 

[Optheduim]

NO THIS IS NOT CONSPIRACY

YES, ACTUAL POLICE OFFICERS WERE PRESENT.

BOTH POLICE AND APPLE DID EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD'VE HAPPENED.

apple wanted to retrieve stolen property & the police were present to ensure safety and to arrest if necessary...

Haha put a bunch of hippies in a blog spot and let them duke it out between a over a corporation and police officer and you get mass hysteria.

your brains are squeezing around apple so hard you're about to make apple juice
i love it…

(just remember the police are our neighbors/friends/families and our politicians are the pompus caniving no-gooders)

 

[StealthGhost]

Because they asked and were given permission. Because the house probably had their phone in it.

I'm not saying what they did was illegal, especially if they got permission, i'm saying that it's not their business to be searching anyone's private property. I wouldn't want my employees searching someone's private property alone, maybe aid in the search since they know what they're looking for but having two cops sit outside while your employees go in and do a search of someone's private property isn't cool to me.

 

[Illumination]

Aaaannnnd we're done.

Next.

For once I agree with you. Next story please.

If Calderon let them into his home, there's not a whole lot that can be done.