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I wonder when a mod will come along with a padlock?
I would say this thread has pretty much hit this territory.
odd
adjective
1. differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice.
par·a·dox
noun
4. an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.
You keep using words, but I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
So your spastic coughing fits caused you to love milk? Anyway, it was just an example, I'm glad you are able to have dogs. Dogs really are great. You know what else is great? Apple computers and the iPad! You should get one. Steve Jobs made a lot of really great design tradeoffs, such as foregoing Flash and true multitasking in favor of longer battery life and a more stable platform. It's a fantastic product; don't be a hater.
You are not making any point here. You can criticize and disagree all you want. <insert here what cmaier said> But I am addressing your "signature" again - it is bashing. Even if I am not a native speaker I believe it is the right word here.
Overzealous censorship?
Overreaching patents?
Frivolous lawsuits?
Care to clarify, because I don't see any of it?
I am guessing you are talking of things like the Flash issue here. Correct me if I am wrong, of course. Apple doesn't have the influence many people give them credit for. The Flash issue existed long before Apple took any actions. We were moving already in this direction, Apple just provided some more pressure. And this is true for many other issues.
Microsoft never had a vision. Nothing to see there. Sony killed their vision themselves, while at the same time they killed Konica-Minolta.
Apple on the other hand is stubborn in keeping its own direction. Nobody says it is the right for everyone, some may disagree. But its there and it works. There is nothing irrational in buying a Mac and defending this decision or agreeing with what Jobs does - most often he makes very valid points. Arguable, but valid.
Please name who I insulted?
Strawman. All I said was that I hadn't stated that anyone was not objective.
I wish you would state exactly what your substantive argument is instead of engaging in two childish forms of discussion: 1) accuse everyone else of being brainwashed 2) if you don't like it, block me (aka the "it's my ball and I'm going home" technique)
As for your accusation, I have been castigated as a troll in many threads for pointing out stupidity in Apple's app review policies, pointing out that there is no excuse for not allowing side-loading on devices with no cell network connectivity, etc. I don't think I've stated a particular position one way or the other on the mail exchange that forms the basis of this thread. I'm not sure what you think calling me a fanatic is supposed to accomplish. It doesn't validate your points, because you are not making any points.
Are you suggesting odd and paradox are the same thing? And you're supporting that something odd is ironic? What's wrong with you guys?
No, but they didn't dissuade me from loving delicious ice cream sandwiches.
I own two macbook pros, 6 iPhones (of various models and vintages), and an iPad wifi+3g 64MB. (I also own two linux boxes, 2 infrant readynas's and a windows xp machine i built myself from an AMD part they gave me when I worked there, and countless windows laptops that sit in my closet obsoleted and unused).
Am I a hater or am I a fanatic? People, make up your minds
In this context, yes. Most words have several meanings, and I think it was an appropriate use of the word 'paradox' here. It's not a hard core bright line logical contradiction, but that's another definition of the word 'paradox'. I think your original argument over the meaning of 'strawman' was extremely silly. You should just acknowledge that, yes, a strawman involves changing the subject in a certain way, not just any old change of subject. But you feel like you have to be right, and can never acknowledge anybody else has a point. Well, I can do that too. See how frustrating it is?
I think you're just making that up to give yourself credibility. Ya, I'm sure that must be it.I own two macbook pros, 6 iPhones (of various models and vintages), and an iPad wifi+3g 64MB. (I also own two linux boxes, 2 infrant readynas's and a windows xp machine i built myself from an AMD part they gave me when I worked there, and countless windows laptops that sit in my closet obsoleted and unused).
Am I a hater or am I a fanatic? People, make up your minds
Foregoing Flash is not a tradeoff. Multitasking IMO was just waiting for the right processor.
I have commented from time to time in various threads where these issues have come up. I've also been thinking of giving a full pro/con review of Apple as they currently stand and I think it would be a lot of fun and it would help me further define and solidify my positions. However, I'm going to be busy with something for the next couple hours. I'll have to return to this later today or tonight. Or we can continue by PM if the thread gets locked or whatever. BTW, I changed my signature before seeing your original post. I still stand behind those comments but I don't mind reviewing the situation with others so long as they're willing to admit that not everything Apple does is a genius move or even a net positive.
Cool. Looking forward to that.
At everyone: Come on, guys, we are almost at page 50! I love round numbers.
You need to change your viewing preferences. For me, we're on page 30 now. Round. And smaller.
You need to change your viewing preferences. For me, we're on page 30 now. Round. And smaller.
I can do that?
I am going to sleep now, it's 3:33AM. Wow.
Some relaxation after the straw-man paradox:
(no need to read, just scroll down)
http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/apple-responds-to-adobes-new-ads
Con Steve, because he keeps saying no porn on the iphone when in fact, there is. Locking porn out of the app store isn't protecting the kids b/c one simple Google search and there's your porn on the iphone/iPod.
Have a Mature section of the app store and utilize parental controls to block kids from accessing it.
No, what he's saying is that there won't be porn for sale in Apple's App Store. It's no different a policy than Barnes & Noble saying they won't sell hardcore magazines, or Best Buy refusing to have an aisle full of Triple-X DVDs. Sure, you can still find either version of porn if you really want to, but those companies aren't going to sell it to you.
Wharrgarrbled
Question:
Can we implement a technology for forums where when the running average of any ten consecutive posts involves over 50% semantic / grammatical / rhetorical sparring with no actual content, the thread (and those posting in the direction of off-topic) gets routed off into a /dev/null thread? Maybe have a few, constantly ongoing, degenerated threads to route over to, e.g. Godwin's Law, Syntax Fanatics, Fanboy-vs-fanBoy, etc. much like train tracks split.
Could have it happen automatically with some regexp filters for phrases.
Because this thread's last page has NOTHING to do with the thread, lol. AND BY THE WAY... it's ironic that this post is also bitching about off-topic stuff, while having NOTHING to do with the thread's topic. Yeesh! ;-)
Question:
Can we implement a technology for forums where when the running average of any ten consecutive posts involves over 50% semantic / grammatical / rhetorical sparring with no actual content, the thread (and those posting in the direction of off-topic) gets routed off into a /dev/null thread? Maybe have a few, constantly ongoing, degenerated threads to route over to, e.g. Godwin's Law, Syntax Fanatics, Fanboy-vs-fanBoy, etc. much like train tracks split.
Could have it happen automatically with some regexp filters for phrases.
Because this thread's last page has NOTHING to do with the thread, lol. AND BY THE WAY... it's ironic that this post is also bitching about off-topic stuff, while having NOTHING to do with the thread's topic. Yeesh! ;-)
Why does Steve Jobs' name change three times in the supposed conversation.
Because the first mail was addressed to sjobs@apple.com. When the response came, the response included the name "Steve Jobs," so that is what was displayed. It probably then got added to his gmail contacts, and displayed as Steve.
Simple, if you run your website in flash, people who can't access it will go some website else... I'm sure whatever content you choose to run in the world wide web, some website will have it - maybe far greater... just saying...
Of course you have a choice you can stop buying Apple products. I, for one, am glad that Jobs has taken a stand against porn.
If Steve Jobs feels he shouldn't be questioned why is he answering emails from nobodies at 2am?
I love how this blogger was so stoked to publish an email between Steve Jobs and himself that he overlooked the fact he got slapped around like a a little girl and that he outed his wife as a porn consumer.
No, no, you clearly are misinformed. It is my moral obligation as a consumer to ensure that advertisers are able to take over my computer and run whatever crapware they wish; my life would not be complete without bouncing leprechauns obscuring the news story I was reading. Furthermore, I believe Congress should get involved and pass the Advertisers' Neutrality Act to ensure all consumers share equally in this wonderful user experience by outlawing devices which will not run Adobe's Flash. Flash for the TV, Flash for the toaster, Flash for the refrigerator, I want and need Flash on my mp3 player!
I hate to start this up again, but I want a real answer
Okay, so far there before the thread broke down into what. I don't know and don't at this time, it was off topic.
Anyways before all that happen, there was 5 camps here.
1. Apple is going to control the entire internet with their iDevices.
2. Apple has complete control over the smart phone market or has a very large market share.
3. Apple lock's dev teams because you have to use Apple tools which means owning a Mac. Dev have no where to go.
4. Jobs says there isn't going to be any porn apps on the app store. BUT you can still get porn from the browser.
5. The Garden has a wall around it, so for something getting in. It has to be a approved first making it a closed system.
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Lets start at number 1.
Apple doesn't have control over the internet and doesn't want it. If you are talking Apple forcing people to go to HTML5 faster then they would. That might be a maybe, but a BIG MAYBE. With the introduction of the iPad some magazines are redoing their web site so it can be viewed by the iPad. And why shouldn't they. After all it seems that the iPad is a big hit (I'm still holding over seas sales). However no one is holding a gun to theses publishers to do this. they can just skip the iPad and continue with Flash.
2. News flash Apple doesn't have a very high market share when it comes to smart phones. I think Apple is at 30%. And don't start that Apple has the highest Apps sold per app store. That's not Apple's fault the other app stores suck,
3. Yes apple has changed their mind on how apps are made for the iDevices. You have to use their tools or move to another platform I can here you say about cross platform apps? Apple doesn't mine if you do cross apps, as long their tools where used to make the iDevice version. Maybe something different from the other versions to make it special for the iDevice
4. So there not going to have any porn Apps sold tough the Apps store. Why this going to be issue goes beyond me. If you really want porn that bad use the web browsers, hell some of them have iPhone versions already.
5. The App store has had a wall around it since it started and I don't see this changing. Is it perfect? NO, but it works.
Now after all that I have a question for you, yes a real question that I would like to see a real answer. If the iDevice doesn't do or do it but not right, Why are you buying it. You must of, because you wouldn't be so upset. Don't like it Don't buy it. plain and simple.
Hugh
Okay, so far there before the thread broke down into what. I don't know and don't at this time, it was off topic.
Anyways before all that happen, there was 5 camps here.
1. Apple is going to control the entire internet with their iDevices.
2. Apple has complete control over the smart phone market or has a very large market share.
3. Apple lock's dev teams because you have to use Apple tools which means owning a Mac. Dev have no where to go.
4. Jobs says there isn't going to be any porn apps on the app store. BUT you can still get porn from the browser.
5. The Garden has a wall around it, so for something getting in. It has to be a approved first making it a closed system.
=========
Lets start at number 1.
Apple doesn't have control over the internet and doesn't want it. If you are talking Apple forcing people to go to HTML5 faster then they would. That might be a maybe, but a BIG MAYBE. With the introduction of the iPad some magazines are redoing their web site so it can be viewed by the iPad. And why shouldn't they. After all it seems that the iPad is a big hit (I'm still holding over seas sales). However no one is holding a gun to theses publishers to do this. they can just skip the iPad and continue with Flash.
2. News flash Apple doesn't have a very high market share when it comes to smart phones. I think Apple is at 30%. And don't start that Apple has the highest Apps sold per app store. That's not Apple's fault the other app stores suck,
3. Yes apple has changed their mind on how apps are made for the iDevices. You have to use their tools or move to another platform I can here you say about cross platform apps? Apple doesn't mine if you do cross apps, as long their tools where used to make the iDevice version. Maybe something different from the other versions to make it special for the iDevice
4. So there not going to have any porn Apps sold tough the Apps store. Why this going to be issue goes beyond me. If you really want porn that bad use the web browsers, hell some of them have iPhone versions already.
5. The App store has had a wall around it since it started and I don't see this changing. Is it perfect? NO, but it works.
Now after all that I have a question for you, yes a real question that I would like to see a real answer. If the iDevice doesn't do or do it but not right, Why are you buying it. You must of, because you wouldn't be so upset. Don't like it Don't buy it. plain and simple.
Hugh
<sarcasm> Does that mean Rolling Stone and GQ is going to call? </sarcasm>