I print stuff all day at work. Not sure what type of office you work in, but ours definitely isn't high tech enough to become "paperless"....
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Steve Jobs on AirPrint: 'Lots More Coming Soon'
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I print stuff all day at work. Not sure what type of office you work in, but ours definitely isn't high tech enough to become "paperless"....
Apple doesn't want to force you to buy a printer, get real. Why would they ? Apple doesn't make printers, so what have they got to gain.
A really good, valid use for Airprint is to keep a hard copy of a web page order confirmation screen when you buy something. In fact, using Printopia you can create a PDF and have it automatically put on Dropbox, so no need to physically print anything.
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Ctwise covered most of what I wanted to cover but I have to ask, how is it that you guys imagine that Apple is just waiting for more printers to come? Do you really think they spend all this time to work on this software, which is 99.9% done just to abandon it? Seriously?
Frankly I'm not doing any iOS development right now with beta software so I'm not up on all the details of AirPrint. What I do know is that iOS uses PDF internally so it would only take a little effort to pipe the PDF over to a supporting printer. Thus the concept of driverless printing. Instead of working through a print driver you are instead sending a PDF over the network. From the stand point of the iOS device there is no driver.
While I'm not concerned currently about printing I continue to be amazed by the SDK for iOS and the obvious idea that this is just the begining. Apple/Jobs certainly have a vision here. I may not agree with every bit of that vision but they are going someplace new and interesting with iOS.
Ctwise covered most of what I wanted to cover but I have to ask, how is it that you guys imagine that Apple is just waiting for more printers to come? Do you really think they spend all this time to work on this software, which is 99.9% done just to abandon it? Seriously?
Frankly I'm not doing any iOS development right now with beta software so I'm not up on all the details of AirPrint. What I do know is that iOS uses PDF internally so it would only take a little effort to pipe the PDF over to a supporting printer. Thus the concept of driverless printing. Instead of working through a print driver you are instead sending a PDF over the network. From the stand point of the iOS device there is no driver.
While I'm not concerned currently about printing I continue to be amazed by the SDK for iOS and the obvious idea that this is just the begining. Apple/Jobs certainly have a vision here. I may not agree with every bit of that vision but they are going someplace new and interesting with iOS.
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In many cases they are!
Lets face it some of the complaints are justified others are not.
slb said:
In many cases they are!
Lets face it some of the complaints are justified others are not.
I don't happen to have one of those printers, so I'm looking forward to when they support shared printers.
Always amazing how ungrateful people are and their feeling of entitlement.
You have lived all your life without this and having it or not will not make you die!
Apple keeps developing new features, optimization, better software etc. etc. for FREE!!!!!! and giving them to you for FREE!!!!!
Did I mention for FREE!!!!!
Why are you complaining?
Can't wait? I see, that is Steve's fault!
No, I am not a whiner. There is nothing wrong with asking a legitimate question. Instead of judging others, why don't you try it yourself sometime.
Try what? Emailing Jobs? No thanks. He rarely says anything meaningful in his responses.
The only thing worse than Steve Jobs' vague answers are the vague questions he just happens to choose to respond to. He always chooses the question he wants to answer -- none that get down the real thing we want to know.
For example, he responded to that guy who said something to the effect of "I heard AirPrint was cancelled, what gives?" And Steve Jobs replied "Don't believe everything you read." I'm sure dozens of people asked "Why is it that AirPrint will no longer let me print to a Bonjour-shared printer?" Do you think its a coincidence that he did not respond to those kind of questions? I don't.
Personal emails from the CEO are a poor channel for communication from a company. Either answer nothing or issue a press release. The in-between stuff is just annoying.
its a bit of a buzz kill when the functionality isn't live now and the only printer that use it are from HP, who have the highest priced inks.
why can't Kodak or Lexmark have airprint models. now, which are available for Thanksgiving specials.
why can't Kodak or Lexmark have airprint models. now, which are available for Thanksgiving specials.
some of us need to understand, although frustrating as it is at present, that the "new" airprint and for that matter airplay have opened doors for others to follow... a small step for steve, a giant step for mankind? the features are not perfect at present but...
other printer manufacturers will follow....... no need to buy buggy new HP printers right now.........
Disappointing of Apple
From my perspective, printing is printing..not printing to the just a small list of printers.
It understandable that iPad would be a wireless connecting to a printer, but forcing people to either get a printer from the current list..go to bottom to see list: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airprint.html or wait to for the next generation of printers from the manufacturers and buy one of those...sounds devious... and poor business practice.
To me it is just wrong. I am huge fan of Apple, but based on this experience so far I do understand better now the folks who side with Flash..and Apple's attitude that they are forcing them to subscribe to Apple's technology direction...
Apple lost a little credibility with me...and I wonder how Android's printing functions work on their future device?
From my perspective, printing is printing..not printing to the just a small list of printers.
It understandable that iPad would be a wireless connecting to a printer, but forcing people to either get a printer from the current list..go to bottom to see list: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airprint.html or wait to for the next generation of printers from the manufacturers and buy one of those...sounds devious... and poor business practice.
To me it is just wrong. I am huge fan of Apple, but based on this experience so far I do understand better now the folks who side with Flash..and Apple's attitude that they are forcing them to subscribe to Apple's technology direction...
Apple lost a little credibility with me...and I wonder how Android's printing functions work on their future device?
I installed the demo program from Printopia, last night. So far it has work flawlessly. I probably plop down the $10 for the program. The save to a Dropbox is a great option.
Why do you say that the new HP printers are buggy? I got a brand new B110a and I love it. The printer is always connected to the Internet, ePrint works great and the Mac software works really well..
Too bad my University's wireless network doesn't work with AirPrint, AirPlay, or Remote. But for some reason, I can SSH my iPhone
Well, ssh is a popular Linux/unix protocol, so I'd assume the IT people would have a reason to keep those ports unblocked. That way they can manage the server from any computer.
All the people ranking this story as a positive are misreading Steve's answer.
"Lot's more coming soon" doesn't imply that an iOS update will happen to let you use your printer as had been promised but rather that he feels ePrint will come to more and more printers, NEW PRINTERS YOU HAVE TO BUY TO REPLACE YOUR PRINTER. 2 weeks ago there were builds of iOS 4.2 that worked with ANY printer attached to your Mac via networking, now the answer from Steve is "buy a new printer."
"Lot's more coming soon" doesn't imply that an iOS update will happen to let you use your printer as had been promised but rather that he feels ePrint will come to more and more printers, NEW PRINTERS YOU HAVE TO BUY TO REPLACE YOUR PRINTER. 2 weeks ago there were builds of iOS 4.2 that worked with ANY printer attached to your Mac via networking, now the answer from Steve is "buy a new printer."
AirPrint works great on my Mac. I use an HP inkjet 5650 (10 years old) at home connected via my Airport Extreme Base Station. At work I have a simple HP 4100TN that works excellent as well.
One thing is that I wish it could print at home via the Airport without having the Mac on.
One thing is that I wish it could print at home via the Airport without having the Mac on.
People don't really understand the mechanics of computing as well as they used to. Now they just expect ideas to become reality in a very short period of time.
It's similar to what happened to vehicles. Decades ago vehicle mechanics were simple, almost anyone could take a part out and replace it with a new one when they needed to.
These days most modern engines are far too complicated for most people to figure out. There are still lots of things you can do by yourself but most people don't concern themselves with the actual mechanics anymore, they just expect the engine to work when they want it to work.
I like how Apple strives to make science fiction fairy tale stuff into reality though. I'm also glad to see that they are getting rewarded for it.
The Microsoft approach of delivering just enough to capture maximum market share is lazy and unimaginative.
Still, I think people would be surprised by how much work has to go into making a seemingly 'simple' idea like this one work properly.
It's similar to what happened to vehicles. Decades ago vehicle mechanics were simple, almost anyone could take a part out and replace it with a new one when they needed to.
These days most modern engines are far too complicated for most people to figure out. There are still lots of things you can do by yourself but most people don't concern themselves with the actual mechanics anymore, they just expect the engine to work when they want it to work.
I like how Apple strives to make science fiction fairy tale stuff into reality though. I'm also glad to see that they are getting rewarded for it.
The Microsoft approach of delivering just enough to capture maximum market share is lazy and unimaginative.
Still, I think people would be surprised by how much work has to go into making a seemingly 'simple' idea like this one work properly.
Not going to happen. While this will allow you to print a PDF, you would still have all those printer-specific differentiating features that the printer manufacturers market to you. And all those specific features will still need specialized software running on your computer to access them. So while watered-down access to your printer without a driver will become a reality, if you went out and bought a full-featured all-in-one printer you are going to want to do things like:
- Adjust color and page border settings
- Adjust print quality settings
- Adjust paper types to use
- Adjust paper sizes to use
- Choose duplex mode
- Transfer files to an attached SD card (or provide network mounting of it)
- Scan a document to the printer's built-in scanner
- Fax a document to the printer's built-in fax
- Indicate # of document pages to print per physical page
- etc.... etc.... etc....
I'm sure some of you have printers that have features I have not even touched upon. The point is.... unless HP, Canon, Brother, and Lexmark are ready for their products to become commodities (which I doubt), then the driverless printer is a long way away.
If you remember, years ago we got a standardized SQL programming language and we got ODBC; however, every relational database manufacturer still has vendor-specific features and a vendor-specific driver that you need to access those features.
You only get the watered-down version in the standardized interface to anything and hence the proprietary interface will always exist and reside and be managed on your computer.
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Is that you Shelly?
skeep5 said:
Is that you Shelly?