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Taylor Swift's "1989"
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Agreed about the excellent quality of some of the Dow's Port wine, and - obviously, given my misunderstanding of the thread title, that of Taylor's Port.
I have also had the privilege and pleasure of having sampled some of the Quinta do Noval; while I am not a fan of their very young port wine, some of their aged products are excellent.
Was Beethoven's Ninth Symphony iconic before it's release?
Was Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor iconic before it's release?
Was Mozart's Requiem in D Minor iconic before it's release?
Need I say more?
Now, that list is what I call real music seriously good, dare one say it, even 'iconic' music, utter masterpieces and sublime classics, one and all ...
I have to admit that I didn't expect to find a discussion of port and classical music in a Taylor Swift thread.
I'm delightfully bemused.
I'm delightfully bemused.
I have to admit that I didn't expect to find a discussion of port and classical music in a Taylor Swift thread.
I'm delightfully bemused.
Don't forget the minor discussion of Taylor port wine here too.
I have to admit that I didn't expect to find a discussion of port and classical music in a Taylor Swift thread.
I'm delightfully bemused.
Don't forget the minor discussion of Taylor port wine here too.
It is all a part of the rich and varied fabric of life, the warp, weft and weave of the tapestry of online conversation, where - despite the baton wielded by the desires of the OP - with the best will in the world, an online conversation can go off the rails .and is sometimes all the better for this ..
Probably shouldn't take this thread any further off track but I haven't had any of their younger wines but have tasted a selection of their older vintages, along with some other fine wines.
I've also had the privilege of meeting some fairly influential people in the UK wine business and been treated to samples of the real classics, a 45 Mouton-Rothschild (from the Rothschild collection) a Leoville-Barton 1986 and quite a few more. If you're interested I have quite a few tales from the last 60 years of wine production.
Noval seem to have marketed a young port wine which - it appears - was dreamed up by their marketing people with a view to addressing & amending the perceived image of port wine drinkers (middle class, middle aged) by attempting to attract a younger demographic, hence this 'younger' snappier, (and less expensive) port wine.
Anyway, I have to say that I didn't like it at all - the taste was too sharp, harsh and brash (but maybe that was the point); personally, I like my port rich, and smooth and velvet on the tongue.
Yes, thank you for your kind offer, as tales of wine production from the last 60 years will find quite a willing listener in me...
Obviously haven't heard the album, but the song is trash. I used to be a Taylor Swift fan back in high school, but I admit I was more swept up in her popularity because a lot of my friends were into her. Having just graduated college, her music has just started to sound super generic and this newest song of hers is just awful. It sounds literally like any pop song made in the 21st century and includes the following lyrics: "haters gonna hate". wow
Her and pretty much all the mainstream pop music of today (whats on billboard) just sounds so manufactured, I honestly don't know how anyone likes it. It seems strange to think that 50 years ago, measured on the same scale (billboard hot 100), songs such as "penny lane" and "come together". For them to be replaced by what is popular now is so weird. The type and quality of the music is so different, but I suppose I am biased.
Her and pretty much all the mainstream pop music of today (whats on billboard) just sounds so manufactured, I honestly don't know how anyone likes it. It seems strange to think that 50 years ago, measured on the same scale (billboard hot 100), songs such as "penny lane" and "come together". For them to be replaced by what is popular now is so weird. The type and quality of the music is so different, but I suppose I am biased.
It reminds me of Lily Allen's "Hard Out Here" in some bits.
The video is fun, but the song in general probably won't last very long on the radio. The chorus is there, but there's nothing else going for it.
I'm also tired of songs about ignoring the haters and not being cool. I'm 25, I don't want to listen to that anymore.
Ironically enough, two of the three "iconic" compositions (the ones I've highlighted in bold) probably weren't written (entirely) by the composers who are commonly credited with their creation.
Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor
The following article, A haunting tune, but is it really Bach's?, offers some thoughts about the piece and whether or not Bach was the work's author.
The composition's name itself isn't "quite right" -- Bach's generation would have called it "Praeludium et fuga," not Toccata and Fugue. Some musicologists claim the composition uses a progression of notes Bach never would have allowed.
Other music scholars believe the Toccata was originally a violin piece Bach transcribed (originally written by another composer).
If so, the the violin transcription (below) of "Toccata & Fugue" may be closer to the original than the infinitely more "iconic" organ version.
Mozart's Requiem in D Minor
Mozart died before he could complete the work, and it was passed off to his pupil Sussmayr, who orchestrated it and provided the missing movements. But months after Mozart's death, at least four composers -- Sussmayr, Eybler, Frystadtler and Stadler -- worked on the completion of the Requiem. Over the years since then, Richard Maunder and others have attempted to "fix" the Requiem, each changing, adding to it, or attempting to recreate it in a more pure "Mozartian" style.
Kenneth Woods' article, Who Wrote the Mozart Requiem?, highlights some of the details about the work.
The book (below) examines the topic in more greater detail.
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This is an interesting debate that does make sense. Ironic that the best organ piece ever was a rip off.
Don't feel too bad, not that you really do over this topic, but I barely know who she is and I live in the US, obviously.
Im glad as that wasnt my intent in the least
I also didnt factor in your geography (which I admit, I wasnt aware of).
If I had my rathers, Id rather have not heard of her, or Justin Beiber, or the 100s of other acts that I cant seem to avoid.
Also being from Old Europe, but having grandchildren, I am aware of who Taylor Swift is. I personally find her music to be bland, there is nothing wrong with it of course. I am hardly her target audience, of course.
My granddaughters are however firmly in the Arianator camp which means that they live breath anything to do with Ariana Grande. This entails lots of purple giraffes.
Last year I took them to Schiphol to see Ariana arrive for a MTV Event, they screamed and waved. Oh to be young again, and the most important thing is, who is number one in the top 20.
We have become our parents, I remember my parents not knowing who Mick Jagger was.
Ironically enough, two of the three "iconic" compositions (the ones I've highlighted in bold) probably weren't written (entirely) by the composers who are commonly credited with their creation.
Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor
The following article, A haunting tune, but is it really Bach's?, offers some thoughts about the piece and whether or not Bach was the work's author.
The composition's name itself isn't "quite right" -- Bach's generation would have called it "Praeludium et fuga," not Toccata and Fugue. Some musicologists claim the composition uses a progression of notes Bach never would have allowed.
Other music scholars believe the Toccata was originally a violin piece Bach transcribed (originally written by another composer).
If so, the the violin transcription (below) of "Toccata & Fugue" may be closer to the original than the infinitely more "iconic" organ version.
YouTube: video
Mozart's Requiem in D Minor
Mozart died before he could complete the work, and it was passed off to his pupil Sussmayr, who orchestrated it and provided the missing movements. But months after Mozart's death, at least four composers -- Sussmayr, Eybler, Frystadtler and Stadler -- worked on the completion of the Requiem. Over the years since then, Richard Maunder and others have attempted to "fix" the Requiem, each changing, adding to it, or attempting to recreate it in a more pure "Mozartian" style.
Kenneth Woods' article, Who Wrote the Mozart Requiem?, highlights some of the details about the work.
The book (below) examines the topic in more greater detail.
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Hey...cool post!
I never expected my snotty little joke post would generate such an interesting response.
Thanks...
Love it really catchy! I can't wait for the local radio stations to over play it and make me hate it. #shakeitoff
Hey...cool post!
I never expected my snotty little joke post would generate such an interesting response.
Thanks...
And you're relishing every second of it.
Very interesting post, my best friend plays the violin amazingly so I will ask him next time to play the piece for me while I drink wine. (not kidding btw!)
So she went from Country to Radio Pop? I guess you gotta chase the money.
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I can't listen to 95% of the mainstream rap that's on the radio. But there is still plenty of good rap music coming out..
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I can't listen to 95% of the mainstream rap that's on the radio. But there is still plenty of good rap music coming out..