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linkgx1

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Hold on....yet when Samsung was found guilty in the US it was justice? Hypocrisy....:eek:
 

JoeIsInTheCloud

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Be sure to contact ol' Robin and tell him what a right honorable disgrace and shill he is:

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Oletros

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:confused: Yep. He is a paid consultant for those companies.

You don't see a weeeee little bit of hypocrisy in your two statements that I quoted? :p

No, there is no hypocrisy, what Mueller does is not corruption or illegal, only what he is paid for, on the other hand, until proven guilty a judge has not done anything illegal
 

BaldiMac

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The question now is - why are people still going on about this after you posted the factual information.

Funny.

I'm not sure the difference is significant in any way.

Are you implying the FORMER judge needs to be impartial?

p.s. "A highly reputed intellectual property expert and academic, Sir Robin has been contracted as an expert by a law firm that represents Samsung Electronics in its case against Ericsson," it said.

What makes you think that he is a FORMER judge? Honest question.
 

quasinormal

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The question now is - why are people still going on about this after you posted the factual information.

Funny.

Did you actually read the BBC article?

BBC said:
But another intellectual property lawyer suggested that the news might raise eyebrows in the profession.

"Robin Jacob is an internationally recognised intellectual property judge of high repute, and I am sure he would have considered the implications of his stepping back into the arena in this way, especially where it appears to be on behalf of someone to whom he recently handed a major victory across Europe to defeat Apple in the iPad wars," said Jonathan Radcliffe, a partner at Mayer Brown International.

"It is a bold step that will prompt a debate on what exactly judicial independence means and how long it lasts.

"This is a highly unusual move - retired English judges have hitherto confined themselves in retirement to sitting as a mediator/arbitrator and sometimes giving opinions on points of law."

Samsung- Power, Corruption and Lies
 

samcraig

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I'm not sure the difference is significant in any way.



What makes you think that he is a FORMER judge? Honest question.

"retired from the Court of Appeal in March 2011" to become a professor, but under Section 9 of the Senior Courts Act 1981, ex-judges can still be invited to sit on the bench... "
 

Portaluk

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Why is anyone surprised by this, its been reported in the UK that MP's earn thirteen times more than their MP's salary by having second jobs as consultants, company advisors etc.
Hows that for a conflict of interest but remember "they work for you".:rolleyes:

Its not a mad tin foil hat conspiracy when I say this but.... big business and rich powerful individuals runs our country, as George Carlin says an election is there just to give you the illusion your in control.
 

BaldiMac

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No, there is no hypocrisy, what Mueller does is not corruption or illegal, only what he is paid for, on the other hand, until proven guilty a judge has not done anything illegal

So, it's okay to accuse Mueller of having his viewpoint influenced by a consultant position, but not Judge Jacobs. Huh.

Considering the fact that he wasn't hired by Samsung, he has no need to question himself.

How is being hired by Samsung's lawyers to testify on Samsung's behalf significantly different than being hired by Samsung to testify on Samsung's behalf in this context?

"retired from the Court of Appeal in March 2011" to become a professor, but under Section 9 of the Senior Courts Act 1981, ex-judges can still be invited to sit on the bench... "

Not sure how I missed that when I reread the post after you made the claim! :D
 

samcraig

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How is being hired by Samsung's lawyers to testify on Samsung's behalf significantly different than being hired by Samsung to testify on Samsung's behalf in this context?

Not sure how I missed that when I reread the post after you made the claim! :D

I'll take a stab. For one - Samsung might not have instigated his hiring. It's very possible he was brought to the table by the lawfirm.

If so - then this whole idea that the judge was in Samsung's pocket and/or other silly nonsense is exactly what we've been calling it. Nonsense.

Perhaps a shade of gray - but an important one. It's entirely possible that Samsung directed the law firm to get this guy. It's also possible that Samsung wanted the best person for the job and the law firm vetted this guy to be "the one."

Also - I have no idea - is it possible that this law firm has worked with this judge before?
 
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Oletros

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So, it's okay to accuse Mueller of having his viewpoint influenced by a consultant position, but not Judge Jacobs. Huh.

First, the judge was not influenced by any consultant position when he ruled with the other other two judges.

Second, being a paid blogger and write influenced by whom pays you it is not illegal, making a sentence influenced by being paid by one of the parties it is illegal.
 

BaldiMac

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I'll take a stab. For one - Samsung might not instigated his hiring. It's very possible he was brought to the table by the lawfirm.

If so - then this whole idea that the judge was in Samsung's pocket and/or other silly nonsense is exactly what we've been calling it. Nonsense.

Perhaps a shade of gray - but an important one. It's entirely possible that Samsung directed the law firm to get this guy. It's also possible that Samsung wanted the best person for the job and the law firm vetted this guy to be "the one."

Also - I have no idea - is it possible that this law firm has worked with this judge before?

Sure. But that's just circular reasoning. If you start with the assumption that Samsung did nothing wrong, than you arrive at the conclusion that Samsung did nothing wrong. And vice versa. :)

To be clear, I am not trying to throw any FUD at this situation. Jacobs role in the Apple decision was minor. He just happened to be the one quoted at calling out Apple for their mocking statement. I just don't think the fact that Samsung's lawyers hiring Jacobs is a significant difference in the facts from what was originally stated.
 

samcraig

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Sure. But that's just circular reasoning. If you start with the assumption that Samsung did nothing wrong, than you arrive at the conclusion that Samsung did nothing wrong. And vice versa. :)

To be clear, I am not trying to throw any FUD at this situation. Jacobs role in the Apple decision was minor. He just happened to be the one quoted at calling out Apple for their mocking statement. I just don't think the fact that Samsung's lawyers hiring Jacobs is a significant difference in the facts from what was originally stated.

Significant? No. That's why I said it's a shade of gray. But it does help if you're trying to debunk someone who's insistent that Samsung was in cahoots with the judge. Even if it's a small differential.
 

BaldiMac

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First, the judge was not influenced by any consultant position when he ruled with the other other two judges.

I agree that's probably true, but it's not an established fact.

Second, being a paid blogger and write influenced by whom pays you it

Again, you are making the same hypocritical accusation. Where is your evidence that the views expressed in FOSSPatents are influenced by any payments from Microsoft and Oracle?

is not illegal, making a sentence influenced by being paid by one of the parties it is illegal.

Why do you keep bringing up "illegal". I never said anything about legality. I simply think questioning one person's integrity without providing evidence, while mocking others for doing the same is hypocritical.
 

Oletros

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Again, you are making the same hypocritical accusation. Where is your evidence that the views expressed in FOSSPatents are influenced by any payments from Microsoft and Oracle?

Do we have to go through all the post in FOSSPatents about Oracle or Gogole one by one and reading what Mueller has said. Do we have to recall posts like this https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1170327/ ?

Why do you keep bringing up "illegal". I never said anything about legality. I simply think questioning one person's integrity without providing evidence, while mocking others for doing the same is hypocritical.

The same moment you write a post about a lawsuit involving someone that pays you and you don't disclose that you're paid by one of the parts you lose any credibility.

And regarding legality, I don't give a **** if someone is biased, accusing someone of corruption like some people is doing here against that judge is what enerves me. Like the one talking about Judge Koh
 

BaldiMac

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Do we have to go through all the post in FOSSPatents about Oracle or Gogole one by one and reading what Mueller has said. Do we have to recall posts like this https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1170327/ ?

Somehow, a post prior to any consultant relationship with Microsoft or Oracle is supposed to support your claim?

Again, you are making a baseless accusation. Yes, Mueller has a very biased point of view. Doesn't mean he was paid to take it.

The same moment you write a post about a lawsuit involving someone that pays you and you don't disclose that you're paid by one of the parts you lose any credibility.

Who are you talking about?

"Oracle notes that Mr. Mueller fully disclosed his relationship with Oracle in a blog posting dated April 18, 2012; that Oracle retained him after he had begun writing about this case; and that he was not retained to write about the case."
http://www.androidauthority.com/florian-mueller-oracle-paid-blogger-108754/
 

Oletros

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Somehow, a post prior to any consultant relationship with Microsoft or Oracle is supposed to support your claim?

He has been working with Microsoft prior to that post. And according to him, the work was confidential so he can't say what he worked for.

Again, you are making a baseless accusation. Yes, Mueller has a very biased point of view. Doesn't mean he was paid to take it.

Well, we diverge. He is paid to say that or he is paid because of what position has.

Who are you talking about?

One person that doesn't discloses in every post that he is paid by the one that he is talking about.
 
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