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jonbravo77

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Feb 20, 2008
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You don't seriously believe that this is just a thing that happens in America?

Columbine was a thing that was once said to happen only in America. Next it happened in the U.K. and in other countries as well. There are stupid people everywhere.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the poster doesn't believe this only happens in America, however in the context of Black Friday, that is generally an American tradition, a horibble tradition at that but American none the less.
 

MacNut

macrumors Core
Jan 4, 2002
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This sad story just cements my growing disdain for what Christmas has become. It is a vile and twisted relic of its former self.

Poor guy just wanted to work, now he's dead because of the selfishness of others. My heart goes out to his family and friends. :(
The whole idea of Christmas, give on to others seems to have been lost and is all about commercialism and money.
Before police shut down the store, eager shoppers streamed past emergency crews as they worked furiously to save the store clerk's life.
"They were working on him, but you could see he was dead, said Halcyon Alexander, 29. "People were still coming through."
Only a few stopped.
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
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Grand Rapids, MI, USA
It just seems that Americans embrace this black friday thing a little too much.

This is fair, although Boxing Day is fairly frightening in Canada.

I think the idea that "people are animals" is actually a really good one -- not just those people, but all of us.

If you had four pet dogs, and one of them tore up the couch, and you took it out and shot it, how much do you believe the other three would be less likely to damage your furniture in the future as a result? No one who raises dogs applies this logic to them.

We apply this logic to ourselves. Which sounds good, and makes us feel good about the nobility of humanity, except that it almost never works to deter violence.

People are animals. I'm an animal. I'm not ashamed of it. What does separate us from most other animals, however, is the extent to which we can modify our own society in order to improve ourselves.

So we should recognize that we're animals, and change things so that people are not put in a position where they are likely to stampede, and poor Walmart workers are not put in a position where they are likely to be run over by stampeding individuals. It is possible, but I do also honestly think we have to stop being so full of ourselves and how much better we are than the sick and deranged masses, in order to get off our butts and make societal change that will reduce violence.
 

jonbravo77

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Feb 20, 2008
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Phoenix, AZ
The whole idea of Christmas, give on to others seems to have been lost and is all about commercialism and money.

There is no X-mas anymore. I'm Jewish and I know more about the meaning of x-mas than most Americans or most of the world do. And I agree with the generalization that X-mas is all about greed and selfishness and not about togetherness. It's sick what has become of a once very symbolic and at it's core great holiday.
 

synth3tik

macrumors 68040
Oct 11, 2006
3,951
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Minneapolis, MN
"They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too. ... I literally had to fight people off my back."

I didn't even catch this part before. I could only imagine the sheer barbaric nature of a crowd that would rip the doors off there hinges. At least it sounds like this other guy fell on his stomach protecting him a little.
 

CalBoy

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May 21, 2007
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LA Times said:
[size=+1]Shots fired at Toys R Us in Palm Desert; 2 reportedly dead[/size]
12:42 PM, November 28, 2008
A gunman opened fire at a Toys R Us store in Palm Desert, killing two and causing shoppers at the busy store to scramble for cover.

Riverside County Sheriff and fire officials responded to a report of a shooting and two gunshot victims at 11:32 a.m. at the toy store in the Desert Crossing Shopping Center at 72314 Highway 111, said Cheri Patterson, information officer for Riverside County Fire and Cal Fire based in Perris.

Link Wonderful. :rolleyes: :(
 

rdowns

macrumors Penryn
Jul 11, 2003
27,397
12,521
How sad. I'm ashamed to say I live in the county it happened in. I just can't believe how people will act to save a few bucks. Apparently, we need laws to regulate these ridiculous sales. Retailers should be required to pay the local towns for police to regulate the crowds at a minimum.

What the hell do these retailers think will happen when they advertise a $1500 TV for $600 and have only 5 to sell?
 

notjustjay

macrumors 603
Sep 19, 2003
6,056
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Canada, eh?
I sure hope the people who were responsible (and yes, I realize you can't pin a stampede death on any one or two people) realize what they did. If I so much as accidentally step on your toe, I'll feel bad, let alone be a part of a stampede that tramples you to death.

Last year IKEA had a desk chair on special at $15. I raced over to the store so carelessly that I got involved in a parking lot car accident that cost me over $1,000 to fix. I cannot help but think, every time I look at or sit in my chair, that it is the most expensive chair I have ever purchased.

I hope someone out there looks at their TV or stereo or whatever and realizes just how much it cost.
 

Gray-Wolf

macrumors 68030
Apr 19, 2008
2,603
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Pandora, Home Tree
You should see the women in the Brides day sale. It's not a pretty picture.

All kidding aside, it is a tragedy, but one that was created by Merchants wanting a good sale. They can hire security to control the crowds, but they choose not to.
 

BoingoBongo

macrumors regular
Mar 27, 2008
217
3
That is just far and out horrendous. Why? Why the hell would anyone think it was ok to do something like that. And what are people doing being guns to toy store. Horrible.

I work and live about 2 blocks from the store where this happened. It's really messed up. It's bad enough anywhere, but especially in a toy store that's full of kids. At least the only people killed were the two gunmen. Not that it's good anyone died, but at least no innocent people were physically harmed.

And that WalMart thing is just pathetic. I always try to avoid stores on days like today, and now I'm even more determined to do so in the future.
 

bruinsrme

macrumors 604
Oct 26, 2008
7,174
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How many were waiting to hear about the stories like this one.

More of them should be rolling in shortly.

Imagine loosing your life to save a couple hundred dollars.

I love the internet, UPS and Fedex.

Scott
 

11800506

macrumors 65816
Oct 31, 2007
1,060
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Washington D.C. Area
Well it shows what is wrong with American consumerism. You would think that Walmart would feel obliged to issue a press release of some sort saying that from now on they will institute a new system and will try to stop neglecting workers' rights. It's just horrible to see what Black Friday can do. I did my shopping online today and luckily for me, it as cheapest there anyways.
 

Iscariot

macrumors 68030
Aug 16, 2007
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Toronteazy
Humans are the only life form on this earth that has the ability to reason

Depending on how you define and measure "reason", there are plenty of other animals with the ability to reason, who empathize, act altruistically — even across species! — and possess the ability to act irrationally, violently and even vengefully. There are certainly other animals that are self-aware, and you might say the difference between animal and human intelligence is just a matter of degree.
This is fair, although Boxing Day is fairly frightening in Canada.

Is it? I've never experienced anything near what I read about Black Friday.
 

jonbravo77

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Feb 20, 2008
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Phoenix, AZ
Well it shows what is wrong with American consumerism. You would think that Walmart would feel obliged to issue a press release of some sort saying that from now on they will institute a new system and will try to stop neglecting workers' rights. It's just horrible to see what Black Friday can do. I did my shopping online today and luckily for me, it as cheapest there anyways.

You would like to think so. But every single year stories like this happen. And every single year nothing is done to try and stop it. It's corporate America and consumer America at it's worst.
 

noodle654

macrumors 68020
Jun 2, 2005
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Never Ender
What a shame...

I dont think I have done any Christmas shopping in the stores in about 3 years. I buy everything online and I havent participated in Black Friday once.
 

BoingoBongo

macrumors regular
Mar 27, 2008
217
3
What a shame...

I dont think I have done any Christmas shopping in the stores in about 3 years. I buy everything online and I havent participated in Black Friday once.

Yeah. A couple of years ago I went into Best Buy on December 23, having completely forgotten what day it was, and it was just too much to handle. I don't know why anyone would go out of their way to go into a situation like that.
 

synth3tik

macrumors 68040
Oct 11, 2006
3,951
2
Minneapolis, MN
I sure hope the people who were responsible (and yes, I realize you can't pin a stampede death on any one or two people) realize what they did.

Sadly I don't see that. People kept flowing through the doors as the paramedics were trying to revive him.

The real sad part is no one gave a rats ass that 5 people got trampled. They would not care that the one guy died as long as they got that really good deal.

I could also imaged the people getting angry when the police closed the store. Probably saying things like "Well he is dead so what does it matter, now I have to go to another walmart to get that TV, this is bull s***".
 
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