I'm beginning to think that ATI and Apple have some secret deal that prevents ATI from selling their Radeon 9000 Pro, a retail product they announced months ago, until Apple gets an even better video card in their new machines. The cards have been shipping for ages as an OEM product so clearly the hardware and drivers work. It's particularly suspicious because it's now December and ATI will have soon missed the Christmas buying season. On the PC side they have the 9000, 9000 Pro, 9500, 9500 Pro, 9700, 9700 Pro and 9700DV All-In-Wonder. We've got nothing. Anybody out there have information on the matter? I'm sure tens of thousands of us are in the market for a card that'll take full advantage of Quartz Extreme. Speaking of that untapped market, where are the Mac compatible GeForce cards? It makes me sick to see obsolete crap like the 2MX going for $150 on eBay when I can get a brand new 4MX 440 for my PC from any of a dozen manufacturers for less than $80.