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oneMadRssn

macrumors 603
Sep 8, 2011
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I find that for the same price as Apple Care, I can get a proper insurance policy for it; which will cover accidental damage, theft, as well as defects.

The down side, as mentioned above, is that you have to front for the repair, keep all documents, and submit paperwork. I've had to go through this a few times, and it never takes more than 1 hour of my time total to do the documentation and paperwork (most of that hour is taking photos of the broken thing). As for fronting money, that does suck.

However, all these hassles are worth the trouble to me for the comprehensive coverage. I am not afraid of having my computer stolen or accidentally dropping it down the stairs in the library. My data is always backed up, and my hardware is insured. The peace of mind is worth it, to me.
 

SR71

macrumors 68000
Jan 12, 2011
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Boston, MA
Surely this is all covered by the first years warranty which is FREE?:confused:

I personally would use the laptop for the 1st year and if you are having issues you always have the option to extend the warranty before the 1st year expires. Purchases can get quite expensive by the time you decide all the upgrades and accessories you'd like so to be able to pay later is a bit easier financially. It also depends on how long you plan to keep the laptop, anything longer than 2 years maybe worth it but a lot of people do upgrade before then. Also as said above your purchase can be covered by other methods, credit card, home insurance etc...

Just out of interest, isn't the $249 AppleCare for 2 years extended warranty as you get the first year free?

Yes, it is free for the first year, but my point is that any of these problems that I had in the first year, or worse, could happen at anytime in the next 2-3 years of owning the computer. If AppleCare runs out and problems arise, the cost to fix it is very high. I should've made that more clear in my post.

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Apple should standby the quality of their hardware and give a minimum of 2 years warranty. Fortunately in the UK (and EU) we have that by law.

When I buy Apple computers I tend to buy from a store in the UK that offers a standard 2 year warranty (or sometimes 3 year). O.k I loose out on telephone support and the ability to take it to an Apple store after year 1, but it's a cost saving that so far hasn't been a problem (in 6 years of Apple purchases).



As others have mentioned, surely this was in the first year - so how can Applecare have paid for itself yet? As for Applecare being a steal, certainly in your case it's a steal - but not for you

Sorry, I should've made it clear that all of this was covered under the first year warranty, but the point I was trying to make was that if anything like this happens after that first year is up (which is definitely possible), you'd be outta luck if you didn't purchase AppleCare.
 

neiltc13

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May 27, 2006
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In the UK if you order from John Lewis they give a free 3 year warranty. Their service is supposedly excellent as well - take it to the store and they send it off for repair for you.
 

fa8362

macrumors 68000
Jul 7, 2008
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In 19 years of buying desktops and laptops, I've never bought an extended warranty and I've never needed one. I always buy with Amex which automatically extends the warranty, but I've never needed that either.
 

r6mile

macrumors 65816
Feb 3, 2010
1,004
504
London, UK
In the UK, if you order through the Apple Education Store you get free 3-year warranty (AppleCare, but only 1 year of telephone support) with any computer purchase as part of the Higher Education agreement. That is on top of a 14% discount.
 

3rd Rock

macrumors 6502
Aug 10, 2012
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Over here
For me, always.... I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Its a very expensive item, and If I drop it, spill something on it, or someone bangs into it, I am covered. Yes, its expensive, but I have read more than one forum member who messed up their notebook and did not have applecare +. Than there are others that never had an issue. Its your system and your pocket book. ;)
 

DisplacedMic

macrumors 65816
May 1, 2009
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For me, always.... I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Its a very expensive item, and If I drop it, spill something on it, or someone bangs into it, I am covered. Yes, its expensive, but I have read more than one forum member who messed up their notebook and did not have applecare +. Than there are others that never had an issue. Its your system and your pocket book. ;)

except that none of those things you listed would be covered by applecare.
 

Reksy

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Jun 3, 2013
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Im going to get it because it extends to ur Airport Extreme also. I want the peace of mind really. Getting myself out of the New Laptop a year thing i was used to on PC.
 

kurzz

macrumors 6502
May 18, 2007
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Ok so I'll come at this from the other side. I've been use macs and Apple products for a decade and I have bought roughly 3-5 macs and a dozen various ipods, iPhones, airports. I have not bought AppleCare for any of them. When anything broke, it was usually over 3 years old or close to it at which point I already was looking to buy something new. Most of the old macs have moved on to friends or relatives and they still work fine to this day. After all these years I probably saved enough money NOT buying AppleCare to buy myself a new computer on that money saved alone. Calculating on if I had bought AppleCare on my devices I would be out at least a thousand bucks because I haven't had to bring anything in for repair within 3 years.

In the end, AppleCare = insurance = gambling. You're betting on when your stuff will break. In my case, I've been winning. ;)
 
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macs4nw

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I really dont get it. $249 for extra insurance in case something were to break? If it were $99, I might go for it, but not $249.

How reliable are Macs anyway? My theory is, if it doesnt break within the first year, it'll probably be good for the next few years. Realizing you can get insurance on every product in your house, there has to be a line you draw where you say, "ok, not for THAT price".

Im sure the people whose machine broke in year 1-3 will swear by it, but Im sure there are thousands of people who buy the AppleCare and NEVER USE IT.

Thoughts?

It's a personal choice, like life insurance. Some people swear by it, while others seem to be doing just fine without it.

Don't forget, it also covers phone support for three years, and that alone can save some people a ton of headache. Also their equipment warranty is quite liberal, in fact, arguably better than most companies' warranties.

Finally, if you have school-age kids, the education discount is considerable, ex the Applecare for a 13" MBA is 249, with edu disc it's only 183.

The choice is entirely yours.
 

bbbobbb

macrumors member
Sep 4, 2006
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They discount. Apple Care is available for $170. I am considering it for my 2012 MBA. It is pretty stable but I do notice some weirdnesses occasionally. I have a few more months to decide.

Bingo on LACC I have bought many AppleCares over the years from them, cheapest prices and for me no tax. Ships very fast, no worries. :)

I ordered my MBA AppleCare on Thursday 20Jun13 in the morning, shipped the same day and I received it on Saturday 22Jun13. Love FedEx ground Saturday deliveries...
 

DisplacedMic

macrumors 65816
May 1, 2009
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Ok so I'll come at this from the other side. I've been use macs and Apple products for a decade and I have bought roughly 3-5 macs and a dozen various ipods, iPhones, airports. I have not bought AppleCare for any of them. When anything broke, it was usually over 3 years old or close to it at which point I already was looking to buy something new. Most of the old macs have moved on to friends or relatives and they still work fine to this day. After all these years I probably saved enough money NOT buying AppleCare to buy myself a new computer on that money saved alone. Calculating on if I had bought AppleCare on my devices I would be out at least a thousand bucks because I haven't had to bring anything in for repair within 3 years.

In the end, AppleCare = insurance = gambling. You're betting on when your stuff will break. In my case, I've been winning. ;)

this is my position as well. don't forget, if they didn't make money on it, they wouldn't sell it. my sister always gets it on her phones and she swears by it. but me, i never buy it. given the way we use our phones, maybe it's not a terrible idea to have them insured a bit more. i noticed there's a thread going on right now where someone dropped his iphone in the ocean:eek:

obviously if something breaks you'd wish you didn't have to shell out big bucks to repair or replace it, but you need to look at the global picture - or the pot odds so to speak. how many devies have you purchased that have insurance options? how much would it have cost to insure all of them? how many of them failed during the extended time period covered outside of the "free" warranty? Did you save money?

it really is that simple. some people are willing to pay for the "peace of mind"
i'm not.

for those of you who don't play poker, pot odds deal with the cost of staying in a hand relative to your potential winnings. So in other words if you are going to pay $10 to stay in a hand where you stand to win $100 then the pot odds suggest you should "call" if the chance of getting the card you need are 1/10 or better. Why? Because if you win 1 time in 10 then you are going to break even. (you spend $10 ten times, lose 9 of those times and win $100 one of those times)

So it's the same with Apple care. if you buy 5 macbooks you are going to spend $1000-1500 on apple care. you have to decide what the relative odds are of having one or more of those computers needing repairs or replacement during years 2-3 after purchase. And remember, repairs or replacement due to
something covered by APP.

now, one thing about Apple care that is unique is that 1 apple plan covers your entire purchase. so if you buy a macbook, all the stuff that goes with it and a thunderbolt display, for example, then you can buy 1 plan to cover all of that. that shifts the ratio of value to cost dramatically.
 

davideotape

macrumors 6502a
Nov 16, 2012
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apple isnt really betting on "nothing" going wrong with their machines, theyre betting on their own out of pocket expenses totalling less than applecare by a certain margin.

and their own out of pocket repairs might also be marked up considerably if theyre performed outside warranty.
 

DisplacedMic

macrumors 65816
May 1, 2009
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apple isnt really betting on "nothing" going wrong with their machines, theyre betting on their own out of pocket expenses totalling less than applecare by a certain margin.

and their own out of pocket repairs might also be marked up considerably if theyre performed outside warranty.

i'm not really sure who you are responding to, but yes - and they're not betting at all. they've done the math - the "risk" here is minimal on their part.

they test X number of devices and as long as Y% of them meet Z criteria, they ship. They have a good idea exactly how many of them will fail or need repairs and what it will cost and they set the price accordingly - of applecare and of in house repairs. Regarding the out of warranty repairs being "marked up considerably" yes, that is absolutely the case in the sense that they will charge you the full cost of parts, labour and profit. Same goes for apple-care. they wouldn't sell it if they weren't making money off of it.
 

desantim

macrumors newbie
Oct 23, 2012
16
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Because I would have saved a $1300 paperweight if I had bought it 16 months ago with my macbook air. 16 months and a logic board failure. Turned it on was checking email and 5 minutes in a hard crash and then nothing ever again. I've used the laptop a total of 100 hours tops in 1 1/2 years and it's sat on a desk it's entire life.
 

davideotape

macrumors 6502a
Nov 16, 2012
530
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i'm not really sure who you are responding to, but yes - and they're not betting at all. they've done the math - the "risk" here is minimal on their part.

they test X number of devices and as long as Y% of them meet Z criteria, they ship. They have a good idea exactly how many of them will fail or need repairs and what it will cost and they set the price accordingly - of applecare and of in house repairs. Regarding the out of warranty repairs being "marked up considerably" yes, that is absolutely the case in the sense that they will charge you the full cost of parts, labour and profit. Same goes for apple-care. they wouldn't sell it if they weren't making money off of it.

i believe i was following your analogy- when you play a casino the house is still betting against you, even though of course they know how much they can give away.

my point was applecare can pay for itself with one break, and that one break might cost apple $50 but wouldve cost you $200 but only cost you $170 w/applecare

all parties "profit"
 

flynz4

macrumors 68040
Aug 9, 2009
3,244
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Portland, OR
this is my position as well. don't forget, if they didn't make money on it, they wouldn't sell it. my sister always gets it on her phones and she swears by it. but me, i never buy it. given the way we use our phones, maybe it's not a terrible idea to have them insured a bit more. i noticed there's a thread going on right now where someone dropped his iphone in the ocean:eek:

OK... I have to say it.

I was at Denver International Airport the other day... a guy was talking on his iPhone in the men's room... dropped it in the urinal. He reached in, grabbed it out, and then brought it over the sinks... and started rinsing it off.

/Jim
 

DisplacedMic

macrumors 65816
May 1, 2009
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OK... I have to say it.

I was at Denver International Airport the other day... a guy was talking on his iPhone in the men's room... dropped it in the urinal. He reached in, grabbed it out, and then brought it over the sinks... and started rinsing it off.

/Jim

in an airport urinal? for a phone? no way. i just flew back from Montreal yesterday and my sun touched the inside of a Newark urinal...i strongly considered leaving him there.

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i believe i was following your analogy- when you play a casino the house is still betting against you, even though of course they know how much they can give away.

my point was applecare can pay for itself with one break, and that one break might cost apple $50 but wouldve cost you $200 but only cost you $170 w/applecare

all parties "profit"

yep -and i'm sure you've heard the expression that the house never loses? Applecare can certainly work out in your favour for sure. but statistically, i doubt that it does on a global level. otherwise why would they sell it?

yeah, one break might have cost you more without Applecare, but think about all the times you never used Applecare or similar services.
that's the true cost.
 

davideotape

macrumors 6502a
Nov 16, 2012
530
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yep -and i'm sure you've heard the expression that the house never loses? Applecare can certainly work out in your favour for sure. but statistically, i doubt that it does on a global level. otherwise why would they sell it?

yeah, one break might have cost you more without Applecare, but think about all the times you never used Applecare or similar services.
that's the true cost
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... what?

look it's not any huge secret that apple's in this to make money and is underwritten to do that, i'm just saying that one accident will often pay for itself and more- personally i've had issues corrected with applecare often enough, AND i've been stuck with a couple of $400+ charges when I didn't have it. so i'm just saying, personally, for complex machines that are constantly being moved around, thrown into bags, opened/shut daily as part of normal use AND are nearly impossible to repair by anyone but a specialist, i'm "betting" that out of the $420 i spent for 2 machines currently valued at $4500, one of them is going to have an issue that will cost me (not apple) about that much to fix or more. if I'm wrong then awesome. looks like i got "suckered" because apple made a very reliable and durable computer.

in the meantime i'll call applecare every time i have an issue that's likely user error or a software conflict and milk my purchase for everything it's worth from that angle.

I rarely buy the extended warranty on ANYTHING but i drank the kool-aid when it comes to applecare.
 

tann

macrumors 68000
Apr 15, 2010
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UK
Apple should standby the quality of their hardware and give a minimum of 2 years warranty. Fortunately in the UK (and EU) we have that by law.

When I buy Apple computers I tend to buy from a store in the UK that offers a standard 2 year warranty (or sometimes 3 year). O.k I loose out on telephone support and the ability to take it to an Apple store after year 1, but it's a cost saving that so far hasn't been a problem (in 6 years of Apple purchases).

As others have mentioned, surely this was in the first year - so how can Applecare have paid for itself yet? As for Applecare being a steal, certainly in your case it's a steal - but not for you

Where in the UK do you buy Apple computers that have 2-3 year warranty?

Also your first line did you mean that here we have a 2 year warranty as standard? On all Apple computers (and other products)?
 

DisplacedMic

macrumors 65816
May 1, 2009
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1
... what?

look it's not any huge secret that apple's in this to make money and is underwritten to do that, i'm just saying that one accident will often pay for itself and more- personally i've had issues corrected with applecare often enough, AND i've been stuck with a couple of $400+ charges when I didn't have it. so i'm just saying, personally, for complex machines that are constantly being moved around, thrown into bags, opened/shut daily as part of normal use AND are nearly impossible to repair by anyone but a specialist, i'm "betting" that out of the $420 i spent for 2 machines currently valued at $4500, one of them is going to have an issue that will cost me (not apple) about that much to fix or more. if I'm wrong then awesome. looks like i got "suckered" because apple made a very reliable and durable computer.

in the meantime i'll call applecare every time i have an issue that's likely user error or a software conflict and milk my purchase for everything it's worth from that angle.

I rarely buy the extended warranty on ANYTHING but i drank the kool-aid when it comes to applecare.

what didn't you understand? i get what you are saying. as you said yourself, you drank the kool-aid - but you feel you got your value so there's no problem.
I am saying that if you buy APP once, you're probably buying it every time. Otherwise where is the logic in only buying it once?

i remember when I was taking undergrad econ courses they loved asking this question:

if you purchase a CD, leave it on top of your car and drive home without it. Should you go back and purchase the CD again?

The answer is yes. unless you are on a fixed budget or you have time constraints or some other variable - you should do precisely that. Why? because you valued that CD at or above whatever you paid for it. Nothing has changed, so you should still value that CD at whatever you paid for it.

Granted in the real world, "common sense" or whatever might pass for it would probably kick in and i doubt most people would repurchase that item.

My point is, if you believe in buying Apple care, you're probably buying it more than once - at least for your Apple devices. So if over the years you purchase 5 apple computers you're looking at a substantial amount of money. If you don't use it or even if you only use Apple care once or twice, you are still likely losing money. There aren't many scenarios that would be covered by APP that result in a totalled computer. Covered, they might chose to replace it if repair costs outweigh its worth, but that doesn't mean YOU wouldn't be able to fix it for less than the total cost of a new machine.

Or maybe all 5 would fail and you've saved a boatload of money. As you said earlier, it's a gamble. But it's a gamble that is skewed, by design, heavily in Apple's favour. The cost isn't an accident. It might be somewhat subject to market pressures, but by in large that is a number where they are making money. By definition that means we consumers as a group would be "better off" financially not purchasing the plan. That is simply the math end of it though, some people put more value in the peace of mind aspect of the plan and obviously everyone who buys it would rather have the plan than whatever they paid for it. Remember that with things like student discounts, third party sales and its coverage of multiple items, the cost of the plan is also variable.

Look at it this way, the cost of applecare is X% of the total value of the item. The lower the value of X, the better the "investment" is.

So for the $600 mac mini - apple care is $150. that is obviously a vastly inferior deal than $250 for a $4000+ Pro or a $3 MBP. And all of this depends on what exactly breaks...

I had to pay $400+ for a logic board failure on my current MBP. So in that case I would have been better off had i purchased the protection plan. But i've never bought the protection plan, and this was my 3rd of 4 macbooks. So the way i see it, i'm still ahead about $600.
 

Kebabselector

macrumors 68030
May 25, 2007
2,988
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Birmingham, UK
Where in the UK do you buy Apple computers that have 2-3 year warranty?

Also your first line did you mean that here we have a 2 year warranty as standard? On all Apple computers (and other products)?

John Lewis offer a standard 2 year warranty on computers - but at the moment it's 3 years

The 2 year EU warranty is something that we have by law, strangely retailers in the UK don't promote it!

A bit more info here - http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1677034/Two-year-warranty-EU-law.html
 
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