why keep developing safari?

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  1. Oats macrumors regular

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    There are plenty of web browsers to choose from for Mac OS X, my favorite is Firefox. Also, Opera, Mozilla, and Firefox are all cross-platform. Why should Apple keep developing Safari? It doesn't seem to offer any great advantages over the other browsers.

    I understand that http rendering technology is important for Apple for the dashboard widgets, and is probably a nice engine to have available for app developers, but it is a bit of a hassle to keep up website compatibility with so many different browsers, especially one that is Mac-only. I would prefer if they dropped the stand-alone Safari browser altogether, and adopted Firefox as the default browser for OS X.

    Anyone else agree? Anyone absolutely love Safari for some reason?
     
  2. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    I love using Safari? It doesn't keep me from having a menagerie of other browsers installed though.
     
  3. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor

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    I use Safari almost exclusively. It does just about everything I want and it has that great OS X feel to it that I haven't seen any other browser come close to.

    I play around with about ten other browsers occasionally, but Safari is the one I keep coming home to.
     
  4. iBookG4user macrumors 604

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    I love using Safari, it looks a lot better than firefox and opera and basically does the same thing. I tried firefox but couldn't stick with it and went back to Safari.
     
  5. adrianblaine macrumors 65816

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    I'm certainly not an expert on this, but they are probably still developing Safari for a lot of the same reasons Microsoft is still developing Explorer. I have no idea what those reasons are and they probably don't have the same motives (or do they?). Maybe apple will revolutionize the HTML world or something, who knows...
     
  6. Scarlet Fever macrumors 68040

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    safari is quick booting, has a simple but effective interface, reliable... it hasn't given me any reason to switch

    on windows, firefox is my browser of preference, but for Mac, i'll stay with Safari
     
  7. Rojo macrumors 65816

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    I like Safari. I know people keep saying FireFox is better, but I tried it and found it to be not as pleasant as using Safari. I like the look and functionality of Safari better, and it seems to work faster for me.

    Once in a blue moon, there will be something I can't seem to view on a website via Safari, and I'll go there using FireFox. But 99.5% of the time, I'm using Safari.
     
  8. lmalave macrumors 68000

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    Apple wants its own HTML rendering engine maybe?

    I think the main reason is apple wants its own rendering engine that it can embed into other software like iTunes, QuickTime, etc. I don't know if this is really the reason though, since obviously iTunes and QuickTime are both also available for the PC.

    P.S. My browser of choice is Firefox 2.0. If Apple has no reason such as I stated above for implementing their own browser, then I really would prefer that they just throw their weight behind Mozilla and specifically Firefox. Since Firefox is customizable, I'm sure Apple could pre-install on the Macs a Firefox customized with a more OS X look and feel.

    Plus Firefox is so close to critical mass, why won't Apple add their Safari 3% or whatever market share to what Firefox already has? That might be enough to push more Web Developers to make sure their websites are Firefox-compatible, which would get more people to switch to Firefox and create a virtuous cycle where Firefox could gain some serious marketshare. I don't see what Apple has to gain by adding to the fragmentation of the non-IE world...
     
  9. Danksi macrumors 68000

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    The only reason I use Firefox on the Mac, is because of the Google Bookmark Sync plug-in, otherwise I'd use Safari a lot more. I still prefer Firefox on XP.
     
  10. iGary Guest

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    The only reason I don't use Firefox is when the pr0n I want to watch does not support Safari. :D
     
  11. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor

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    I've read that sentence four times now and I can't figure out what it means. :confused: :D
     
  12. kretzy macrumors 604

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    I used to use Safari almost exclusively, but I've found FF loads pages much faster. So now I sort of switch between the two, if Safari were a bit snappier I would always use it because it just feels better.
     
  13. Killyp macrumors 68040

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    Didn't realise there were any technical diff.... oh wait.... :p
     
  14. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    I don't like or use Safari but it's absolutely necessary for getting to the browser preference. ;)

    The one reason to keep developing Safari is to keep the music store browser in iTunes up-to-date and displaying some nice effects.

    Besides, Apple is seeing some big numbers for Safari users on certain websites. Developing Safari's version of KHTML gives them an opportunity to return the source code to the KHTML people and give them fits in trying to integrate the changes. :p It gives them some presence in open source software that has nothing to do with Apple-created software.
     
  15. iGary Guest

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    The only time I do use Firefox is when Safari doesn't support the pr0n I want to watch.

    Better? :D
     
  16. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor

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    Much...thanks.

    Carry on with your pr0n.
     
  17. radiantm3 macrumors 65816

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    As a web designer, I prefer Safari. It renders css very well and text and input buttons look so much better. You are also forgetting that a lot of Mac OS technologies rely on Webkit (the engine behind Safari). iTunes (the store) and Dashboard widgets just to name a few. And tons of third party developers use webkit for their applications.
     
  18. aloofman macrumors 68020

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    I think it's just because Apple likes to integrate the computing experience, and web-browsing is probably the most common thing people do on a computer these days.
     
  19. maxrobertson macrumors 6502a

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    um... maybe because Safari actually looks and works decently on Mac OS X. Okay, Camino, Shiira, and OmniWeb are actually very good. But Camino is rather unstable, OmniWeb isn't free, and Shiira is based on Safari's rendering engine, so there's really nothing that puts these so far above Safari. I use Safari all the time, and love it.
     
  20. iMeowbot macrumors G3

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    They don't use it in QuickTime or iTunes. They do have other stuff (the help system, Dashboard, Mail, etc.) that needs it.

    They kind of need a browser shell (Safari) to test out the engine, so why not release that part too? It's almost a freebie in that way.
     
  21. SuperSnake2012 macrumors 6502a

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    I would use Firefox on my Mac but I really dislike the way it renders fonts. Webkit browsers (Safari, OmniWeb) has nice full, bold fonts while Gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino) has thinner, worse looking text and it's really bad on the eyes. If anyone knows how to fix this I'd appreciate it :p
     
  22. radiantm3 macrumors 65816

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    I'm pretty sure they use webkit for the itunes music store.
     
  23. lmalave macrumors 68000

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    What about on the Windows version of iTunes, though? Is the same rendering engine used there?

    That would imply that Apple has basically already created a Windows version of Safari! :eek:
     
  24. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

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    It would make a ton of sense, but weirdly enough they don't. The store gives an xml description of the UI and iTunes does its own thing with it.

    WebKit is a fantastic project; one of the best things Apple is doing these days, imo.
     
  25. radiantm3 macrumors 65816

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    Ah, that makes sense. And I agree about WebKit. :)
     

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