Yet another derailment of an oil train

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    Luckily there were no deaths, unlike the one which derailed last summer.
     
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    Not good. We had ours in Quebec last year where 47 people perished. Train was improperly attended and braked. Rolled back into a town and exploded into a hellish inferno. Never did find some of the people as the fire was so intense.

    Had one several years ago just minutes down the road from where I am and spilled into a well used lake. Wiped the fish population out completely and ruined all the lake front cottage area. We are now several years removed from it and the lake is only starting to recover.

    Shame governments don't take a closer look at this and set some rules in place to prevent it from happening.
     
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    As I understood railroad companies built the infamous DOT-111 tankers to be cheap and reliable, but not resistant to derailment or impact. They never expected them to be used in very large amounts in trains as they are now. Typical short-sighted view led by corporate greed.
     
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    There were new specs/standards issued for the DOT-111 tanker design in 2011, that made the cars stronger, but nothing was done to the older, existed DOT-111s already in service, that are likely to remain in service for some time.

    Historically speaking, the U.S. railroads have "interesting" record in regards to how both freight and passenger cars were designed and implemented -- cheap construction techniques almost always won out over safety.

    During WWI, the nation's railroads were briefly nationalized, under the control of the United States Railroad Administration (USRA). One of the major projects the USRA took on was creating a series of designs for locomotives and freight/passenger equipment that would bring the country's railroads "up to snuff". If not for these designs, the American railroads would have drug their feet for many more decades.

    But then too, the tracks themselves of American railroads always been of inferior design when compared to most railroads of the world. The American approach was to construct roadbed as cheaply as possible, then make up for a (cheaply built) very rough-riding track by improving the design of the "trucks", the wheel assemblies that the railroad cars road upon.

    Continuous welded rail, more commonly called "ribbon rail", is now used extensively on U.S. railroad mainline trackage. Before that, the rail was rarely longer than 40 foot in length. Now, the rails are about 1/4 mile in length. It's more expensive to lay than the old jointed tracks were , but is has lower maintenance costs.

    Unfortunately, the iron rail expands and contracts with temperature extremes, thus the track can become distorted, which can cause derailments.
     
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    Nasty accident, glad no one was killed this time.
     
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    Not disagreeing ... But governments need to take responsibility too. The cars are legal - so the corporations were within the law. Canadians have now made the older cars illegal and are phasing them out. I'm surprised it took this long, tbh, and that they are risking another Lac Megantic.
     
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    Some of these trains are like a hundred cars long. Put that with the fact that Bakken crude is almost as flammable as gasoline and it surely makes you not want to be stuck at a grade crossing while the thing passes by.

    CSX was fined by New York State for not promptly reporting a couple of derailments earlier in the spring: AP link . No oil was spilled and the cars apparently didn't actually tip over. Maybe the thought crossed a few minds that reporting that kind of incident was optional. Not sure a fine of only ten grand would change that mindset.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind is the fact that most of the railroad tank cars used in North America are owned by companies that lease the tank cars to shippers. In other words the cars aren't owned by the railroads (See graphic, below).

    Railway Age has an article on the DOT-111 tank cars, "Re-inventing the DOT 111", which offers some insight into the issue. Except follows:

    "The NTSB estimates that 69% of today's tank car fleet has a high incidence of tank failure during accidents. For cars transporting Bakken crude, corrosion problems are a concern. The Volatile chemicals in the oil (hydrogen sulfide, etc.) are likely accelerating the corrosion. Crude oil composition varies by region, and even within regions, making documentation of loaded crude oil, now under intense scrutiny, problematic. Corrosion-resistant tank linings are one solution, but they may render CBR less competitive due to the high cost of a lining—$7,000 to $10,000 per car—and the resulting reduction in tank capacity and higher transportation cost."​
     

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    The two big Canadian rail companies both stated that they were legally required to move railcars if those cars were 'legal' under current safety regulations. In other words they couldn't arbitrarily pick and choose whose cargo to move and whose cargo to leave behind. So I'm not sure it's necessarily the rail company's fault in this case that they are moving railcars with an underwhelming safety margin.
     
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    Well so we're ending up where no one is at fault? Heh. A lawyer's worst nightmare, surely.

    Railways must take the cars if they're legal.

    Cars are legal (even though apparently not up to the task).

    Owners of oil (or refiners) don't own the cars, just lease them.

    The public is to blame because still (by default) demanding fossil fuels, is that it?

    OK then! Time to ask for something else instead !!!

    This could end up in PRSI :eek: if I have another cup of coffee, so I'm off to my chores instead. :)
     
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    As I understood it, governments of North America had a largely hands-off approach, under heavy corporate lobbying, typical of right-ist policies, and tolerated lack of cooperation from rail transport companies, including not reporting minor incidents leading to spills but no casualties and not revealing quantities of dangerous goods transported, so emergency response departments can't be prepared. Plus, fines are not dissuasive enough to make companies err on the side of caution, and currently cities don't have the power to block a dangerous good train from entering.

    When Lac Mégantic was devastated, attempts to make the MMA pay for damage was unsuccessful as they filed for bankruptcy yet didn't have proper insurance coverage.

    As LizKat points out, these fragile tankers were never made to be assembled in trains that long, with all the risks that come with it. Newer, more secure norms are worth nothing if no coercion is used.
     
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    How the RR tank car "monopoly" got started (in North America)

    You can trace it all back to J. D. Rockerfeller and the Standard Oil Company...

    I'm going to just cut-n-paste the following from the UTLX history page

    Fast-forward to today...

    Tank cars that carry crude oil are usually not owned by the railroads and only rarely owned by the shippers who use them. Union Tank Car, along with its Canadian affiliate Procor and its Mexican agent Carrotanques Unidos, is the largest tank car lessor in North American.

    UTLX is the "reporting marks" for the Union Tank Car Company. So, if you see a tank car passing by on the rails that bears the initials "UTLX", it's owned by the Union Tank Car Company.

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    Now, here's a little bit of info cut-n-pasted from the article "The Man Behind the Exploding Trains"...

     
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    And here's another oil train derailment, just to keep things rolling in 2015: Reuters reports on 16 February 2015 that a CSX train hauling North Dakota oil has derailed in West Virginia. Some tanker cars went up in flames and a couple of them ended up in a river. Reuters News link

    This derailment occurred 33 miles away from the state capital, Charleston... and it was less than 200 miles from Lynchburg, VA where a similar incident occurred last spring (as noted earlier in ithis thread).

    And...

     
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    I'm about 20 air miles from this derailment. It was -8 degrees (F) last night here and has been snowing all day today, so most area roads are solid ice with several inches of fresh fluffy new snow on top. Not exactly ideal conditions for authorities (or residents) trying to deal with something like this.

    One or two tank cars are reported in the Kanawha River, the same river which last year was affected by the chemical spill from Freedom Industries' facility, which resulted in 300,000 residents within nine counties going without safe water. And that chemical spill was the third chemical accident to occur in the Kanawha River Valley within the last five years.

    So here we go again... :mad: @#$%!

     
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    Did you think someone wanted to built a pipeline all the way from North Dakota to Pennsylvania through West Virginia? :rolleyes:
     
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    Pipelines are much safer than oil trains. Obviously.
     
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    Maybe... or maybe not.

    Regardless, there would still be trains carrying oil to areas that aren't connected via pipelines.

    Meanwhile:

     
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    In reaction to the latest West Virgina derailment, some oil trains are being re-routed through Virginia until the original route becomes usable again. Emergency responders have been made aware because of relevant Virginia laws, but per Reuters, the general public may not have been informed.

    Reuters - Amid controversy, oil trains quietly rerouted through Virginia towns

    Meanwhile, a February 14th derailment of 29 cars of a Canadian National Railway oil train in a rural area south of Timmons, Ontario has apparently shown that the newest standards for oil train tankers are inadequate, since 19 of the derailed cars were at least partially breached and 7 caught fire. And, cars having the newer standard were apparently also involved in the Feb. 20th West Virginia derailment.

    Canada watchdog: CN derailment shows inadequacy of new tank cars

     

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