Could Cherry OS be real?! [Archive]

munkle

Mar 8, 2005, 08:05 PM

Looks like Cherry OS (http://www.mxsinc.com/pages.php?cid=MDEwMDA4) might not be vapourware after all! :eek:

After making many boastful claims and subsequently disappearing it looks like Cherry OS is back and might just be real. Here's (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=294414) a very interesting thread from another forum (didn't realise such things existed! ;) ), where posters have put up screen shots of Cherry OS in action. It is also claimed that it is faster than Pear PC.

Still not sure of the point personally, if you want the MacOSX experience buy a Mac! (Saying that I have got Virtual PC on my Macs! :o )

rainman::|:|

Mar 8, 2005, 08:27 PM

How great is it that most of the posts are "i want os x! goodbye windows!" I thought a product like this (and yeah, wow i'm surprised it was real) would turn out to be terrible, but maybe it really will make people crave the hardware. Interesting all around.

edit: after reading through the whole thread, it looks like a lot of people think it's a PearPC ripoff? but that the PearPC engine is improved nonetheless... I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes of it...

munkle

Mar 8, 2005, 08:55 PM

I'm surprised to hear people so excited about it as well, although I am aware that it is a 'geeks' forum. I wonder how many people are just excited at the novelty factor of being able to run OSX on their PC's though...look, it's the genie effect - wow! Kinda like the buzz of having a Linux iPod.

From what I gather you need to have OSX install discs anyway, so I'm not sure what the target market is.

dotdotdot

Mar 8, 2005, 09:22 PM

Honestly, I always thought it was real...

I thought it was because it is made by a COMPANY, not some new business - they wouldn't release a fake program and ruin their company...

CherryOS I DID think was a PearPC rip.

brap

Mar 8, 2005, 09:45 PM

From what I gather you need to have OSX install discs anyway, so I'm not sure what the target market is.Anyone with BitTorrent, for sure.

dotdotdot

Mar 8, 2005, 09:55 PM

From what I gather you need to have OSX install discs anyway, so I'm not sure what the target market is.

Target Market:
- Windows users who want to try OSX
- People with OSX install discs
- Downloaders of cracked OSX (after all, CherryOS is stolen from PearPC...)
- People who will cough up the dough

They don't seem to have a target market because it isn't like a good enough program... in the future maybe.

It is NOT aimed at people who want to use anything in iLife... there is no sound and lags in imaging on a 512 MB RAM PC... and not aimed at people who use Windows XP with more than one person

I have read about this and have concluded, so far:

-A rip off of pearpc
-Edited from pearpc as it is much faster and more stable
-Not worth it yet, wait until sound is implimented at least...
-Will not be around in like a year, if 1) it doesn't sell or 2) apple sues it for a lot of money, losses of their computer sales, etc. 3) Apple buys it...

angelneo

Mar 8, 2005, 09:57 PM

I downloaded the trial version and tried to install OS X on it but give up half way through as it is way too slow for my P4 2.6. Seems to me like they took the pear PC source and make it their own by changing a few things here and there.

daveL

Mar 8, 2005, 10:02 PM

So, the objective here is to run OS X on cheap, crappy hardware at half the performance, or worse. Does that about sum it up? Who cares? I wouldn't waste the time or bandwidth to download it. This just opens up the opportunity for M$ users to experience OS X and come away with "OS X is slow as molasses; who wants that?" Look at all the post here about VPC performance; joe user doesn't understand it. Stay away, stay far, far away.

rtdgoldfish

Mar 8, 2005, 10:05 PM

I'm at my family's house for spring break and installed the CherryOS software on my brother's PC. Then realized I left my Panther install CDs back at college. Guess I will try it out on my PC when I get back up there.

My old roommate has an iBook and is trying to install it on VirtualPC. What a moron! OSX through CherryOS on Windows 2000 through VirtualPC on an 800mhz G3... Bet it will work like a charm!

Nermal

Mar 8, 2005, 10:09 PM

Just downloading it now, so I can try it on my mum's Celeron 2400.

angelneo

Mar 8, 2005, 10:10 PM

Don't bother installing, people. It ran much slower than my G4 400Mhz when i tested it on a 2.6 P4 with 1 Gig ram.

Nermal

Mar 8, 2005, 10:51 PM

Hopefully the next version of PearPC will be better. There must be some improvements in the CherryOS code which should make their way back into the PearPC code.

Edit: Hmm, I can't find a link to the source code on their site. I thought the GPL required the source to be available. :confused:

Edit 2: When you go to download CherryOS, the licence presented is for VX30 (one of their other apps). So it looks like I can do whatever I want with CherryOS :p

Edit 3 :eek:: I'm pretty sure that they're ignoring this:

You may copy and distribute verbatim [or modified] copies of the Program's source code [or any portion of it], in any medium, provided that you [...] keep intact all the notices that refer to this License [...] and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program.

(from §1 and §2 of the GPL)

smash

Mar 9, 2005, 12:57 AM

CherryOS still sucks. I just wrote a review on my blog:
http://www.smashsworld.com/2005/03/cherryos-still-sucks-my-review.php

GFLPraxis

Mar 9, 2005, 01:04 AM

Nermal

Mar 9, 2005, 03:11 AM

I sent them this:

Hello

I have looked all over your website and am unable to find a link to download the CherryOS source code. The GNU GPL (the licence used for PearPC) states that source must be 'conspicuously and appropriately' published, but it is certainly not conspicuous as I am unable to find it at all. The GPL also states that you must 'keep intact all the notices that refer to this License', but again I am unable to find any reference.

On an unrelated note, CherryOS refers to the Mac OS volume as an HPFS volume. This is incorrect, Mac OS volumes are HFS. HPFS was used by OS/2, not Mac OS.

They replied with:

If you feel that our product is stolen than I recommend that you hire an attorney and prove it in a court of law.

I will not respond to further allegations.

:eek:

So not only are they not crediting PearPC, but they're denying it too! I don't see how they can really deny it, because it plainly says PearPC during booting when you set the prom bootmethod to 'select'.

angelneo

Mar 9, 2005, 03:16 AM

So not only are they not crediting PearPC, but they're denying it too! I don't see how they can really deny it, because it plainly says PearPC during booting when you set the prom bootmethod to 'select'.
I think they must have received quite a number of complaints judging from the forum link that munkle provided. Hopefully, someone at PearPC do something about this. I hate them take credit for stuff which they did not do. Not just credit but money too.

munkle

Mar 9, 2005, 04:12 AM

CherryOS always WAS real.

The problem was, their source code was PearPC, repackaged. It IS PearPC, with a different GUI to make it look different. It's called stolen source code.

The debate over Cherry OS was not just over whether it existed (it's not hard to make a product when all you're doing is just repackaging another product) but whether it could ever back up its claims. Kryeziu claimed to have written the software from scratch, obviously not true, and that Cherry OS performs at about 80% of the speed of the PC's host hardware, again obviously not true. In that sense we are still waiting to see the real Cherry OS.

munkle

Mar 9, 2005, 04:15 AM

sparky76

Mar 9, 2005, 06:13 AM

Anyone here actually tried it yet?

Oops, just saw the above.

AmigoMac

Mar 9, 2005, 07:01 AM

Holy Sour cherries batman... that's cr*p ... :eek:
As long as it doesn't perform as it claims, it will be Vaporware for me and
IF (yeah big IF) one day it will perform as it says I won't say "Sorry" because I don't care about it... The PearPC group deserves credits on this...

hcuar

Mar 9, 2005, 08:06 AM

I sent them this:

They replied with:

:eek:

So not only are they not crediting PearPC, but they're denying it too! I don't see how they can really deny it, because it plainly says PearPC during booting when you set the prom bootmethod to 'select'.

Wow!!! That's a great way to treat potential customers that are concerned about the open source movement.

ReanimationLP

Mar 9, 2005, 10:12 AM

LMFAO! Cherry OS SUCKS! After waiting for 5 minutes, I got the gray Apple screen.

Then a kernel panic.

Great software. :)

zyuzin4

Mar 9, 2005, 11:25 AM

well it seemed like it was about to install Panther, but I only had my upgrade discs here so I couldn't go on any further. Tried Jaguar but it just sat for 20 minutes

daveL

Mar 9, 2005, 12:03 PM

If you're screwing around with CherryOS, you have too much time on your hands. Not to mention they are obviously unethical shzts.

brap

Mar 9, 2005, 01:24 PM

So not only are they not crediting PearPC, but they're denying it too! I don't see how they can really deny it, because it plainly says PearPC during booting when you set the prom bootmethod to 'select'.If this passes without civil action, then the whole GPL is worthless. Of course, there are other bizarre "exceptions" like the Linux PCI handler code allegedly used in Risc OS 5, but this is a complete app.

The cynic in me says you might as well pick up as many GPL'd apps as you can, while you can, repackage them and sell 'em. This could get really out of hand, and damage the whole open source concept beyond repair.

Lord Blackadder

Mar 9, 2005, 02:47 PM

The only mystery to me is excactly how they thought they could convince us that is was NOT a ripoff of PearPC. :confused: :confused:

I mean, it's fairly bleedin' obvious to all and sundry. Kudos for allegedly making it run better, I guess.

My old roommate has an iBook and is trying to install it on VirtualPC. What a moron! OSX through CherryOS on Windows 2000 through VirtualPC on an 800mhz G3... Bet it will work like a charm!

That is the emulation equivilant to bending down, putting your head between your legs and shoving your nose in your own rear end - unpleasant and pointless.

:eek:

Lacero

Mar 9, 2005, 03:02 PM

If you're screwing around with CherryOS, you have too much time on your hands. Not to mention they are obviously unethical shzts.

Why is this fraudster getting so much free press? It would be different if the headline read "Stolen code illegally released", but as it is you might think CherryOS is something other than someone elses stolen property.

At least this time the schmuk has taken the "trouble" of removing all references to PearPC in the binary. Sadly he's too stupid to remember to change the configuration file format, or the hard coded MAC address that PearPC uses for the emulated NIC.

Lord Blackadder

Mar 9, 2005, 03:23 PM

I have to agree with others here, unless these guys get stomped on we might as well sh*tcan the entire GPL idea. Cherry OS is making the legitimacy an viability of open-source software a farce.

It doesn't matter how much better than PearPC it performs (and it doesn't seem to anyway), it is stolen code. This could become a disturbing trend.

Nermal

Mar 9, 2005, 03:27 PM

LMFAO! Cherry OS SUCKS! After waiting for 5 minutes, I got the gray Apple screen.

Then a kernel panic.

Great software. :)

I got that too. Putting it in fullscreen fixed it (presumably turning on mouse capture would fix it too).

For the record, OS X took about 1.5 hours to install (base system only) on a Celeron 2400. On the other hand, it took about 20 minutes under PearPC on a 1 GHz Athlon (under SuSE Linux). Since both apps are built on the same code, I suspect that Linux is faster :)

Or it's entirely possible (probable?) that I'm mixing up numbers because I installed PPC quite some time ago.

Edit: Slashdot says this:

Its creator, Arben Kryeziu, found himself in hot water last year amid claims the software was simply stolen from the open source PearPC project. With the code now under public scrutiny, it appears that such allegations are true.

munkle

Mar 9, 2005, 03:59 PM

Here's (http://forums.h80571.serverkompetenz.net/viewtopic.php?t=1237&start=900&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cherry) the discussion on Cherry OS in the Pear PC forums. From comments there it seems pretty obvious that Cherry OS is merely Pear PC repackaged with a few tweaks.

Interesting quote from one of the developers:

Admittedly, he's talented at modification. There are many improvements here that Ppc could use, most of which are on our list of things to add. For instance, children windows, the installer system, etc. If he would contribute his changes to the code to the community in exchange for not being sued, we could all profit. Personally, I hold him no ill will, as long as he will admit it's borrowed code..

It'll be interesting to see how this story pans out.

CubaTBird

Mar 9, 2005, 04:47 PM

i think im gonna try this.. i hab jaggy' disks around here somewhere...

Mechcozmo

Mar 9, 2005, 06:57 PM

My old roommate has an iBook and is trying to install it on VirtualPC. What a moron! OSX through CherryOS on Windows 2000 through VirtualPC on an 800mhz G3... Bet it will work like a charm!

Sounds like something I would do..... but:

I would install CherryOS onto my Athlon 2500+ then install OS X then install Virtual PC then install CherryOS then install OS X

And see what happens. :rolleyes:

Nermal

Mar 9, 2005, 07:03 PM

It'll be so slow that you'll warp the space-time continuum.

Mechcozmo

Mar 9, 2005, 07:36 PM

It'll be so slow that you'll warp the space-time continuum.

I gotta try it out then.

What if I tried the above, but on a Pentium III 500 MHz? :eek:

Space-Time Continuum damage, here we come!
(this weekend, so you have time to prepare for the apocalypse. :D)

angelneo

Mar 9, 2005, 08:57 PM

I gotta try it out then.

What if I tried the above, but on a Pentium III 500 MHz? :eek:

Space-Time Continuum damage, here we come!
(this weekend, so you have time to prepare for the apocalypse. :D)
Why don't you throw in Mac-on-Linux in the mix as well. :D

CubaTBird

Mar 9, 2005, 09:15 PM

its uber slow.. install took 2 hours.. i got to the "welcome to mac os x registration" screen and it just froze there every time..

ReanimationLP

Mar 10, 2005, 09:40 AM

I'm tinkering with PearPC. Works nicely. Doesnt kernel panic on startup :P

ReanimationLP

Mar 10, 2005, 09:48 AM

;) Hmm.. since yesterday, the CherryOS installers grew a megabyte bigger and is now called CherryOS2.zip. Hmm...

brap

Mar 10, 2005, 11:39 AM

Space-Time Continuum damage, here we come!
(this weekend, so you have time to prepare for the apocalypse. :D)
To quote a hero of mine, "Now to unleash screaming temporal DOOM!"

It'd be kinda fun, in a sad way, to work out how many clock cycles on the host machine it took to run one on the deepest embedded.