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mysterioustko
Feb 14, 2012, 09:54 PM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know where people think their iphone ranks against the competition. No I'm not talking about sales, I mean how do you think it holds up against other smartphones? Also, if you have a 4S what do you think makes it better than the iPhone 4 (real world examples, not generic statements like the gpu is faster and it has a faster processor)?



aztooh
Feb 14, 2012, 09:59 PM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know where people think their iphone ranks against the competition. No I'm not talking about sales, I mean how do you think it holds up against other smartphones? Also, if you have a 4S what do you think makes it better than the iPhone 4 (real world examples, not generic statements like the gpu is faster and it has a faster processor)?

If you bought the phone, it probably ranks #1 with you, no?

DerekRod
Feb 14, 2012, 10:13 PM
Well i went from a blackberry to iPhone thats like comparing swimming in sewers to Bora Bora :apple:

scaredpoet
Feb 14, 2012, 10:44 PM
Siri says it best:

http://sirisays.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111014-121107.jpg

Whatever phone you bought, iPhone or not, you probably bought it because you feel it's the best phone for you.

motoleo
Feb 14, 2012, 10:56 PM
If it's not an iPhone, then why would I want it?

DroidRules
Feb 14, 2012, 10:56 PM
Of course this is a subjective question. Where the i ranks is up to the user. I personally think it's the best phone but of course that's my opinion. Opinions are like buttholes, every one has one and they all stink so to each his on.

Only thing this thread will do is start a poo storm and really serves no purpose except to do that. Have fun yall!

DerekRod
Feb 14, 2012, 11:08 PM
My reason for loving my is as it ages it doesn't slow down well for me anyway,When I had blackberries after a few months they slowed down always had the hour glass.i cant and wont speak for Android cause idk but blackberries age terribly

rockden
Feb 14, 2012, 11:16 PM
i think last year apple introduced many product people are like it and iphone increase many apps and functional and many people use them and really like him i wish apple company introduced more many hard work in this field but apple company great lose steve jobs

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 09:34 AM
If you bought the phone, it probably ranks #1 with you, no?

I have purchased an iPhone but no it doesn't rank #1 with me (for several reasons). What made me ask this is because my uncle challenged me to use a 4S as my phone for a week (he loves his iphone). So I bought a 4S used it for a week as agreed, and promptly went back to my Galaxy Nexus. Anyway, I'm not really trying to turn this into that type of argument though. All in all, he was surprised that after the week ended I went back to my phone instead of keeping the 4S. So after having an interesting discussion with him about it, it made me wonder how other people viewed their iPhone and how the feel it stacks up against the competition. I've found that people's perspectives and reasoning are very interesting when it comes to this (not counting the generic "it just works" statements and other statements of that ilk).

ericrwalker
Feb 15, 2012, 09:41 AM
Exactly what are you trying to achieve from this thread? We already know you don't like the iPhone and you prefer Android. Personally I think iOS is way better than Android, but it's user preference.

Here is just one thread of several where you constantly state your android preference:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1281809

elistan
Feb 15, 2012, 10:21 AM
I have purchased an iPhone but no it doesn't rank #1 with me (for several reasons). What made me ask this is because my uncle challenged me to use a 4S as my phone for a week (he loves his iphone). So I bought a 4S used it for a week as agreed, and promptly went back to my Galaxy Nexus. Anyway, I'm not really trying to turn this into that type of argument though. All in all, he was surprised that after the week ended I went back to my phone instead of keeping the 4S. So after having an interesting discussion with him about it, it made me wonder how other people viewed their iPhone and how the feel it stacks up against the competition. I've found that people's perspectives and reasoning are very interesting when it comes to this (not counting the generic "it just works" statements and other statements of that ilk).

It's no mystery. Go to an Apple-oriented website, and the vast majority will say "iPhone > Android." We wouldn't own one and post about them otherwise. Similarly, go to an Androi-oriented website, and the vast majority there will say "Android > iPhone." (Discounting the fact that of course there are Android owners on Apple sites, and vice versa. Only a masochist would deliberately puchase a product they considered inferior.)

Or are you asking WHY we consider the iPhone to be the superior product, rather than WHETHER we consider that?

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know where people think their iphone ranks against the competition. No I'm not talking about sales, I mean how do you think it holds up against other smartphones? Also, if you have a 4S what do you think makes it better than the iPhone 4 (real world examples, not generic statements like the gpu is faster and it has a faster processor)?

Everyone is going to have their own opinion about what the best phone is. To me the iPhone 4S is the best phone. Not sure what kind of answer you expected here seeing as it is an iPhone forum. What other real world examples would you like people to provide to you about why the 4S is better then the 4? It's basically the same phone with a better camera and faster.

AlphaVictor87
Feb 15, 2012, 11:05 AM
Well as everyone else stated, its all personal opinion and your experiences with the phone.

I like iPhone's in general. I really enjoyed my 3GS so i moved on to the 4s. One reason being i have quite a few accessories that I've purchased that work very well, and have a 30 pin dock, so won't work with other phones. Lots of people like to say "wow what a waste, what if you don't have an iPhone anymore". To be honest, if i for some reason switch to android, i would just keep the 4s i have now and use it as an iPod so i will still be able to use my accessories. No Biggie there.

Also I know many people at work and just friends who have an android, and on average i'd say about 75% of them complain about having to restart their phone at least once a day. Now i'm not saying this is a widespread problem, but from my personal experience, that's what I've seen and its annoying, and i wouldn't want to deal with it. Just yesterday a co-worker was trying to show me something and his phone just decided to reboot on its own.

Also i really like the layout of iTunes, and how i can organize my music. I've been using it since i got my first 1GB iPod nano as a high school graduation present, and i just can't seem to walk away from it.

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 12:14 PM
Exactly what are you trying to achieve from this thread? We already know you don't like the iPhone and you prefer Android. Personally I think iOS is way better than Android, but it's user preference.

Here is just one thread of several where you constantly state your android preference:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1281809
...and now that you're finished with my post history THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST.....I'll get back to my post now..I've already stated why I asked this question earlier in the thread..stop trying to make this into something it isn't. If you don't have anything constructive to contribute then move on.

It's no mystery. Go to an Apple-oriented website, and the vast majority will say "iPhone > Android." We wouldn't own one and post about them otherwise. Similarly, go to an Androi-oriented website, and the vast majority there will say "Android > iPhone." (Discounting the fact that of course there are Android owners on Apple sites, and vice versa. Only a masochist would deliberately puchase a product they considered inferior.)

Or are you asking WHY we consider the iPhone to be the superior product, rather than WHETHER we consider that?
I'm asking why you consider it to be that (if you indeed do). What is it about it specifically that makes you feel the way you do.

Everyone is going to have their own opinion about what the best phone is. To me the iPhone 4S is the best phone. Not sure what kind of answer you expected here seeing as it is an iPhone forum. What other real world examples would you like people to provide to you about why the 4S is better then the 4? It's basically the same phone with a better camera and faster.
But there are other fast phones with cameras that are on par with the iPhone's. I get what you're saying but could you give me something a bit more specific?

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 12:33 PM
You want specifics on the differences between the iPhone 4 and 4S? The only differences are that the 4S is faster and the better camera and the dual core processor. I mean come on now what other specifics are you looking for that aren't already known? There might be other phones that have better cameras or on par or faster and that's nice, but I love that my iPhone just works and syncs well with my macbook air.

ericrwalker
Feb 15, 2012, 12:40 PM
...and now that you're finished with my post history THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST.....I'll get back to my post now..I've already stated why I asked this question earlier in the thread..stop trying to make this into something it isn't. If you don't have anything constructive to contribute then move on.

Dude, I don't need to look at your post history to remember you, there are at least 3 different threads that you and I both contributed to where you bashed the iPhone and orgasmed over Androids. My memory is fairly good, and this wasn't that long ago.:rolleyes:

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You want specifics on the differences between the iPhone 4 and 4S? The only differences are that the 4S is faster and the better camera and the dual core processor. I mean come on now what other specifics are you looking for that aren't already known? There might be other phones that have better cameras or on par or faster and that's nice, but I love that my iPhone just works and syncs well with my macbook air.

You're wasting your time. He's read his answer on other threads and he's not happy with the answer. He feels if a phone as 5gig of ram and a 6 core 2 GHz processor (with a crappy OS) it's better than a phone with 512 megs of ram and a dual core 1Ghz processor (with a great OS) even if neither phone lags. Why does the 4S need "MORE POWER" if it doesn't lag with the current apps that are available?

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
You're wasting your time. He's read his answer on other threads and he's not happy with the answer. He feels if a phone as 5gig of ram and a 6 core 2 GHz processor (with a crappy OS) it's better than a phone with 512 megs of ram and a dual core 1Ghz processor (with a great OS) even if neither phone lags. Why does the 4S need "MORE POWER" if it doesn't lag with the current apps that are available?

Yea I know I probably am. I've seen his other posts about the galaxy nexus and wonder why he wastes so much time on an iPhone forum seeing as he is pro android. Don't know why he needs to know other peoples choices for using a phone.

cynics
Feb 15, 2012, 01:01 PM
You obviously aren't going to get your answer. Most iPhone owners aren't exactly sure why they own one they just feel obligated to do so. My work supplies mine, I like it enough.

The best reason I can think of is for its audio accessories since most head units support apple devices.

-aggie-
Feb 15, 2012, 01:11 PM
Exactly what are you trying to achieve from this thread? We already know you don't like the iPhone and you prefer Android. Personally I think iOS is way better than Android, but it's user preference.

Here is just one thread of several where you constantly state your android preference:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1281809

I guess we've now clearly established what the OP is then.:)

I've never gone to a Droid site to ask stupid questions like this. Just sayin'.

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 01:12 PM
You obviously aren't going to get your answer. Most iPhone owners aren't exactly sure why they own one they just feel obligated to do so. My work supplies mine, I like it enough.

The best reason I can think of is for its audio accessories since most head units support apple devices.

Why do you or anyone else care why someone owns an iPhone? There are tons of choices out there. I don't go around asking someone why they own an android or blackberry or windows phone. For me the iPhone works for me. I love that the OS isn't laggy. Don't get why you or anyone needs to know my reasoning on why I like the iPhone.

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 01:18 PM
You're wasting your time. He's read his answer on other threads and he's not happy with the answer. He feels if a phone as 5gig of ram and a 6 core 2 GHz processor (with a crappy OS) it's better than a phone with 512 megs of ram and a dual core 1Ghz processor (with a great OS) even if neither phone lags. Why does the 4S need "MORE POWER" if it doesn't lag with the current apps that are available?
You have no clue what you're talking about. I don't even get into spec wars, and you won't find a single post I've made where I say a phone is better purely because of specs. So again, if you have nothing constructive to contribute, see your way out of the thread. You are attempting to turn this thread into an Android vs iOS thread and that's not what this thread is about. Therefore, if you don't want to share where you think the iphone ranks among the competition and why, then don't respond as you are not contributing to the thread. Thanks. :)

Yea I know I probably am. I've seen his other posts about the galaxy nexus and wonder why he wastes so much time on an iPhone forum seeing as he is pro android. Don't know why he needs to know other peoples choices for using a phone.
It's not that I'm Pro Android, I'm pro technology and at any given time have my hands on multiple devices. For example, a week ago I had in addition to my GNex, a 4S, and a T-Mobile GS2. Now I've sold the 4S and currently have a AT&T GS2 in my possession in addition to my Gnex, and I will be picking up the G Note on the 19th. You may personally have an allegiance with one particular device or OS, I have an allegiance to technology as a whole. My uncle is an avid iphone fan and we sit around and discuss technology all the time. We did an experiment where he used a GS2 for a week and I used a 4S and we compared our experiences. When you come out of your little bubble you'd be surprised how interesting it can be to see what other people think about things and why. Hence why I asked the question I asked. So to you I say the same thing I said to the other guy...don't try to turn this into something this isn't. If you aren't going to offer anything constructive to the post then please leave it. Thanks.

You obviously aren't going to get your answer. Most iPhone owners aren't exactly sure why they own one they just feel obligated to do so. My work supplies mine, I like it enough.

The best reason I can think of is for its audio accessories since most head units support apple devices.
That seems to be the case here. Instead of people giving logical well thought out answers, instead people are rushing to Apple's defense and are attacking me....though I haven't even said anything disparaging about the phone. Just asked a simple question, and people are so insecure in their purchases that they feel compelled to attack me just for asking them how they think their phone stacks up. That is hilarious.

cynics
Feb 15, 2012, 01:18 PM
Why do you or anyone else care why someone owns an iPhone? There are tons of choices out there. I don't go around asking someone why they own an android or blackberry or windows phone. For me the iPhone works for me. I love that the OS isn't laggy. Don't get why you or anyone needs to know my reasoning on why I like the iPhone.

I think you confused me with someone that gives a **** what you or other people own.

I was simply stating the obvious. How many responses are there? How many answers the op question? Can you argue that statistic?

I don't need anything from you, you seem to be the one that needs something by continually posting in a thread that supposedly uninterest you. You are aware is someone ask a question that you don't like you are not required to answer right?

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 01:19 PM
I guess we've now clearly established what the OP is then.:)

I've never gone to a Droid site to ask stupid questions like this. Just sayin'.

..See above statement about constructive contribution..

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 01:35 PM
I think you confused me with someone that gives a **** what you or other people own.

I was simply stating the obvious. How many responses are there? How many answers the op question? Can you argue that statistic?

I don't need anything from you, you seem to be the one that needs something by continually posting in a thread that supposedly uninterest you. You are aware is someone ask a question that you don't like you are not required to answer right?

OP asked a question I answered it. What real world examples are there gonna be between the iPhone 4 and 4S other then the camera and speed differences? Don't get what exactly OP was looking for.

BearerOBadNews
Feb 15, 2012, 01:38 PM
Ok OP I'll play your game.
Where do you I think the iPhone stacks up against the competition? I think it stacks up well. I think it it holds its own against the other heavyweights. I have had my share of complaints about the phone, but don't get me wrong I still prefer it to other phones. Though to be fair I've never used the other high end phones more than just playing with them in a store or if a friend had one. So my experience with the others is somewhat limited. But as far as my 4S is concerned I think it definitely is at the top of the heap. For one, the App Store is loaded. No other OS can say that like iOS can. The screen is bright and gorgeous. If it were larger I think it might be the best screen on the market. Last but not least, it is fast! I rarely get slowdowns or lag on my phone. I does things and it does them quickly.

Where do I think it ranks? Well that one it depends on what you're talking about. Some things like cloud services and customization obviously it won't be number 1. But when you talk about smoothness and simplicity, it's easily #1. So I guess as far as ranking it goes, it really just depends on what you're measuring it by and how much weight you give different aspects.

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 01:39 PM
It's not that I'm Pro Android, I'm pro technology and at any given time have my hands on multiple devices. For example, a week ago I had in addition to my GNex, a 4S, and a T-Mobile GS2. Now I've sold the 4S and currently have a AT&T GS2 in my possession in addition to my Gnex, and I will be picking up the G Note on the 19th. You may personally have an allegiance with one particular device or OS, I have an allegiance to technology as a whole. My uncle is an avid iphone fan and we sit around and discuss technology all the time. We did an experiment where he used a GS2 for a week and I used a 4S and we compared our experiences. When you come out of your little bubble you'd be surprised how interesting it can be to see what other people think about things and why. Hence why I asked the question I asked. So to you I say the same thing I said to the other guy...don't try to turn this into something this isn't. If you aren't going to offer anything constructive to the post then please leave it. Thanks.

That's good that you are a fan of technology. Yes I do have an allegiance with the iPhone and the OS. Is there something wrong with that? I've used an iPhone 3G, 4 and now 4S. It works for me. I'm not gonna go out and spend money on phones to try to find something I like when I already have it in my hands.

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 01:52 PM
OP asked a question I answered it. What real world examples are there gonna be between the iPhone 4 and 4S other then the camera and speed differences? Don't get what exactly OP was looking for.
Out of curiosity, where do you notice the speed differences the most?

Ok OP I'll play your game.
Where do you I think the iPhone stacks up against the competition? I think it stacks up well. I think it it holds its own against the other heavyweights. I have had my share of complaints about the phone, but don't get me wrong I still prefer it to other phones. Though to be fair I've never used the other high end phones more than just playing with them in a store or if a friend had one. So my experience with the others is somewhat limited. But as far as my 4S is concerned I think it definitely is at the top of the heap. For one, the App Store is loaded. No other OS can say that like iOS can. The screen is bright and gorgeous. If it were larger I think it might be the best screen on the market. Last but not least, it is fast! I rarely get slowdowns or lag on my phone. I does things and it does them quickly.

Where do I think it ranks? Well that one it depends on what you're talking about. Some things like cloud services and customization obviously it won't be number 1. But when you talk about smoothness and simplicity, it's easily #1. So I guess as far as ranking it goes, it really just depends on what you're measuring it by and how much weight you give different aspects.
Thanks. That's what I was looking for.

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That's good that you are a fan of technology. Yes I do have an allegiance with the iPhone and the OS. Is there something wrong with that? I've used an iPhone 3G, 4 and now 4S. It works for me. I'm not gonna go out and spend money on phones to try to find something I like when I already have it in my hands.

Never said anything was wrong with that. No need to be defensive, you aren't being attacked. All I want to know (and yes I know you answered) is what people think of their phones and why. I'm just curious to know people's thought process behind their choice.

Consultant
Feb 15, 2012, 01:54 PM
Changewave on iPhone satisfaction
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/01/survey-finds-96-of-customers-satisfied-with-iphone-4s/

USA Today reports J.D. Power
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2011/09/iphone-tops-us-smartphone-customer-satisfaction-survey/1

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 01:59 PM
Out of curiosity, where do you notice the speed differences the most?

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Never said anything was wrong with that. No need to be defensive, you aren't being attacked. All I want to know (and yes I know you answered) is what people think of their phones and why. I'm just curious to know people's thought process behind their choice.

I notice the speed differences in everything I do. From switching apps to pages loading. I think the iPhone 4S ranks high up there with all the new devices coming out. I like the build quality of the 4 and 4S. The screen is small and I did wish it was alittle bigger so hopefully the new one will be 4". Don't think I could get used to using all the Android devices see as they are too big for my liking at 4.3" and bigger.

BearerOBadNews
Feb 15, 2012, 02:08 PM
Out of curiosity, where do you notice the speed differences the most?


Thanks. That's what I was looking for.

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Never said anything was wrong with that. No need to be defensive, you aren't being attacked. All I want to know (and yes I know you answered) is what people think of their phones and why. I'm just curious to know people's thought process behind their choice.

You're welcome. No flames from me bro lol.

BTW are you "the smartphone champ"? lol

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 02:22 PM
I notice the speed differences in everything I do. From switching apps to pages loading. I think the iPhone 4S ranks high up there with all the new devices coming out. I like the build quality of the 4 and 4S. The screen is small and I did wish it was alittle bigger so hopefully the new one will be 4". Don't think I could get used to using all the Android devices see as they are too big for my liking at 4.3" and bigger.
I think a lot of people overestimate the size of a 4.3" screen device. Think of the Sensation, it has a 4.3" screen but the device itself is only slightly larger than the iphone. I think they could at least give you 4" without any significant change in size.

You're welcome. No flames from me bro lol.

BTW are you "the smartphone champ"? lol
lol yep that's me.

ericrwalker
Feb 15, 2012, 02:33 PM
I think a lot of people overestimate the size of a 4.3" screen device. Think of the Sensation, it has a 4.3" screen but the device itself is only slightly larger than the iphone. I think they could at least give you 4" without any significant change in size.

lol yep that's me.

I wouldn't be upset if the screen went to the edge of the iPhone, but I don't want a bigger iPhone. No even slightly bigger. Though I know a lot of people do want that. I wouldn't care if the iPhone went a little smaller. No smaller than 3" though.

-aggie-
Feb 15, 2012, 02:40 PM
I wouldn't be upset if the screen went to the edge of the iPhone, but I don't want a bigger iPhone. No even slightly bigger. Though I know a lot of people do want that. I wouldn't care if the iPhone went a little smaller. No smaller than 3" though.

I've always wanted bigger (that's what she said), but that doesn't seem to be what Apple thinks we want. It never ceases to amuse me when someone states that a 4.3 would be unwieldy.

ericrwalker
Feb 15, 2012, 02:47 PM
I've always wanted bigger (that's what she said), but that doesn't seem to be what Apple thinks we want. It never ceases to amuse me when someone states that a 4.3 would be unwieldy.

I think over 50% of users want a larger iPhone. Scares me because I think the current one is big enough (I don't use a case because it makes the phone too big for me), and if Apple listens to the consumer (like they should), I'll be forced to have a larger phone. Maybe they should make it in a couple of different sizes.

BearerOBadNews
Feb 15, 2012, 02:53 PM
I think a lot of people overestimate the size of a 4.3" screen device. Think of the Sensation, it has a 4.3" screen but the device itself is only slightly larger than the iphone. I think they could at least give you 4" without any significant change in size.


lol yep that's me.

Cool. I actually added it to my bookmarks and have been checking it daily. You've got a lot of good stuff on there. The commentary stuff is the best to me. I take it you don't like AT&T? lol

Jordan921
Feb 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
I've always wanted bigger (that's what she said), but that doesn't seem to be what Apple thinks we want. It never ceases to amuse me when someone states that a 4.3 would be unwieldy.

I don't think 4.3" is unwieldy, Just think that 4" would be a good size. I've always wondered why the screen couldn't be edge to edge and the empty space between the earpiece couldn't be used.

LatinaC09
Feb 15, 2012, 03:12 PM
For me the iPhone ranks number 1 :D. I've gotten to use Blackberry and Android. Android was pretty sweet but when I used iOS it was just way better IMHO. We shall see what the future holds.

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 03:21 PM
I've always wanted bigger (that's what she said), but that doesn't seem to be what Apple thinks we want. It never ceases to amuse me when someone states that a 4.3 would be unwieldy.
Yeah I think 4.3" is right at the point of having a screen that's not too large but isn't small either. Truth be told, that's the size I prefer.

I think over 50% of users want a larger iPhone. Scares me because I think the current one is big enough (I don't use a case because it makes the phone too big for me), and if Apple listens to the consumer (like they should), I'll be forced to have a larger phone. Maybe they should make it in a couple of different sizes.
I think the same thing as far as them coming out with different sizes. I think they could really take a large additional chunk of the market if they did that.
Apple Could corner the market if they did this (http://thesmartphonechamp.com/if-apple-really-wanted-to-corner-the-smartphone-market-theyd-do-this/)

Cool. I actually added it to my bookmarks and have been checking it daily. You've got a lot of good stuff on there. The commentary stuff is the best to me. I take it you don't like AT&T? lol
Thanks, I appreciate that. And yeah I'm not a big fan of AT&T lol. I don't like the way they're trying to strong arm customers to force them off of unlimited data plans. I really think something needs to be done about that.

I don't think 4.3" is unwieldy, Just think that 4" would be a good size. I've always wondered why the screen couldn't be edge to edge and the empty space between the earpiece couldn't be used.
I don't really like the idea of edge to edge for a couple of reasons. One, is that without enough bezel the screen will be exposed to more impact on the sides if it's dropped. The other reason is that it doesn't leave very much room for you fingers to rest. If you notice, when you hold your phone, part of your finger sometimes touches the face of the phone. If that part was screen, it would register than touch could cause some accidental presses quite frequently. I am a fan of minimal amount of bezel, I just don't like the idea of edge to edge.

Jemani
Feb 15, 2012, 05:10 PM
Android isn't full Linux. It is largely Java with huge amounts of Java ripped out. Oracle/Sun is in lawsuit against Google over their use of Java without paying for the license.

There is so many things Android OS can't do, simply because it's not well designed or thought out. I am sure, as the average user who only wants to make calls, change their themes and upload their location to Spacebook goes, Google Android may seem like the golden ticket. I like to do real world things, like music composition. Google Android is light years behind iOS in that department. The whole audio latency thing with Google Android is the big problem. Why can't I run NanoStudio on Google's Android Linux? I can on regular Linux. I can also run it on Mac, Windows and iOS devices.

cynics
Feb 15, 2012, 05:51 PM
Android isn't full Linux. It is largely Java with huge amounts of Java ripped out. Oracle/Sun is in lawsuit against Google over their use of Java without paying for the license.

There is so many things Android OS can't do, simply because it's not well designed or thought out. I am sure, as the average user who only wants to make calls, change their themes and upload their location to Spacebook goes, Google Android may seem like the golden ticket. I like to do real world things, like music composition. Google Android is light years behind iOS in that department. The whole audio latency thing with Google Android is the big problem. Why can't I run NanoStudio on Google's Android Linux? I can on regular Linux. I can also run it on Mac, Windows and iOS devices.

I agree iAnything has Android beat in the music/audio department but what else are you talking about?

Kebabselector
Feb 15, 2012, 05:51 PM
Cool. I actually added it to my bookmarks and have been checking it daily.

Are you the same person as mysterioustko?

Just askin........

mysterioustko
Feb 15, 2012, 06:17 PM
Are you the same person as mysterioustko?

Just askin........

...ooookay... So because the guy said he likes thesmartphonechamp.com we're the same person? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?.....:rolleyes:

Jemani
Feb 15, 2012, 06:18 PM
I agree iAnything has Android beat in the music/audio department but what else are you talking about?

Well, simply that only recently can I run FL Studio (Fruity Loops) on the latest Android OS. I can run it on any iOS device, even the original iPhone.

Android OS has little to no MIDI control. iOS devices are pretty much plug and play. MIDI isn't used solely for audio. Many automated-robotic devices can use MIDI controlling. It's a shame.

But, getting back to audio, where's the Jack audio control? Why can't I utilize Jack configurations with Google's crippled Android Linux?

Why even call it Linux? Shouldn't I be able to run any Linux distro on Android Linux OS out of the box? Why can't I without a ton of hurt? I gotta go fiddling around to get stuff to work!

I don't mean to beat up on Google Android Linux, but to me, it's not just merely iPhone vs. Android, as if they are the same and just different. It's much more technical than that.

Tarzanman
Feb 15, 2012, 06:55 PM
Well, simply that only recently can I run FL Studio (Fruity Loops) on the latest Android OS. I can run it on any iOS device, even the original iPhone.


That's one program limited by the company who wrote it, not the operating system. Let me know when you can open a shell prompt on your iphone and browse around the directories via the CLI. :rolleyes:

Android OS has little to no MIDI control. iOS devices are pretty much plug and play. MIDI isn't used solely for audio. Many automated-robotic devices can use MIDI controlling. It's a shame.
Android has USB host and a full bluetooth stack. I can pair my bluetooth PS3 controller with my android phone. iOS can't do that, what a shame :rolleyes:

But, getting back to audio, where's the Jack audio control? Why can't I utilize Jack configurations with Google's crippled Android Linux?
Its linux. Someone went and rolled their own (http://nettoyeur.noisepages.com/2010/09/hello-world/)

Why even call it Linux? Shouldn't I be able to run any Linux distro on Android Linux OS out of the box? Why can't I without a ton of hurt? I gotta go fiddling around to get stuff to work!
Uh, that is *exactly* how linux works. You go fiddle around with stuff until it functions properly. Are you new around here or something?

I don't mean to beat up on Google Android Linux, but to me, it's not just merely iPhone vs. Android, as if they are the same and just different. It's much more technical than that.
Technical details don't seem to be your strong suit. As such, the iphone is probably the best device for you

Jemani
Feb 15, 2012, 07:28 PM
That's one program limited by the company who wrote it, not the operating system.

No. It's directly related to the audio latency problem with Google's Android Linux OS.


Android has USB host and a full bluetooth stack. I can pair my bluetooth PS3 controller with my android phone. iOS can't do that, what a shame :rolleyes:

Try paring any Bluetooth keyboard with Google's Android Linux OS that is running HTC's Sense UI. Oops, can I say HID (Human Interface Driver) conflict? Don't forget, most Google Android Linux OS phones do not have full Bluetooth stacks, but limited stacks per carrier demands.



Its linux. Someone went and rolled their own (http://nettoyeur.noisepages.com/2010/09/hello-world/)

That project isn't really quite working, yet. It hasn't been touched since 2010. It's 2012. Alas, that is why I posted what I did.

There is also the Ubuntu Linux project of Ubuntu on Android phones (http://www.enfew.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-your-nexus-one-or-android-phone/), for some real open source goodness.


Uh, that is *exactly* how linux works. You go fiddle around with stuff until it functions properly. Are you new around here or something?

You don't like new competition to your stale fanboyism?

It's your opinion that Linux requires fiddling until it works. Regardless, I still can't install full Linux packages on Android out of the box. It would be nice to run standard Linux Ekiga on Google's Android Linux OS, but no. I have to use 3rd party apps that are only partly compatible and limited directly by Google's Android Linux OS, which means no texting or video compatiblity. Just an example of what Google's Android Linux OS cannot or more appropriately, will not do.


Technical details don't seem to be your strong suit. As such, the iphone is probably the best device for you

Apparently you ain't too bright. Just keep drinking the Koolaide.

BearerOBadNews
Feb 15, 2012, 11:32 PM
Are you the same person as mysterioustko?

Just askin........

No. Geez I can't like his site without being him? I like iPhones does that mean I'm Tim Cook?

Kebabselector
Feb 16, 2012, 06:57 AM
...ooookay... So because the guy said he likes thesmartphonechamp.com we're the same person? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?.....:rolleyes:


No. Geez I can't like his site without being him? I like iPhones does that mean I'm Tim Cook?

No problems, glad I sorted that misunderstanding (on my part) out.

Tarzanman
Feb 16, 2012, 02:24 PM
No. It's directly related to the audio latency problem with Google's Android Linux OS.
I'll have to take your word for it since I haven't used Fruity Loops or any other trackers in about 10+ years. As you said, the problem is fixed with the newest revision of the OS.

Should I start complaining about copy&paste, decent notifications, voice-to-text, and a bevy of other features not being available on old versions of iOS?

Seems a bit silly at this stage, does it not? How is iOS 5 working out on iPhone 2, 3x? Could those phones run Fruity loops without latency? :rolleyes: Please let me know.

Try paring any Bluetooth keyboard with Google's Android Linux OS that is running HTC's Sense UI. Oops, can I say HID (Human Interface Driver) conflict? Don't forget, most Google Android Linux OS phones do not have full Bluetooth stacks, but limited stacks per carrier demands.
Then its a good thing that I have MotoBlur, TouchWiz, Vanilla android and whatever LG/Sony call their variants to choose from. What do you do when your iphone doesn't support a software feature? You grin and bear it, that's what. :rolleyes:

That project isn't really quite working, yet. It hasn't been touched since 2010. It's 2012. Alas, that is why I posted what I did.
Its working, but not fully functional... which is my point. When someone gets an android itch, they are fully free to scratch it and distribute their fix on the web to anyone who wants it.

Apparently, there is very little demand for jack audio (or whatever it is you call it), which is why the project has been mothballed. If you want a more complete listing of open source android projects then here is one of many sites listing them:
http://www.aopensource.com/

I won't bother asking you for the iOS equivalent. iPhone gets a choice of what few jailbreak apps there are and then there isn't much available outside of that.


There is also the Ubuntu Linux project of Ubuntu on Android phones (http://www.enfew.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-your-nexus-one-or-android-phone/), for some real open source goodness.
What are you trying to say here?

You don't like new competition to your stale fanboyism?

It's your opinion that Linux requires fiddling until it works. Regardless, I still can't install full Linux packages on Android out of the box. It would be nice to run standard Linux Ekiga on Google's Android Linux OS, but no. I have to use 3rd party apps that are only partly compatible and limited directly by Google's Android Linux OS, which means no texting or video compatiblity. Just an example of what Google's Android Linux OS cannot or more appropriately, will not do.

I am going to guess that you're ~22 yrs old or younger. Yes, certainuser-friendly Linux distros today have happy GUIs and pre-archived drivers that play nice with your plug and play hardware. Anyone who has been around the block once or twice doesn't have to think very far back to when burning an ISO of your distro was the first in a series of very long steps to configuring a usable linux machine.

You hunted down drivers (with a working machine), loaded them up and prayed that they would work without having to delve too far into a man page. Hand-held computing hasn't even reached that stage yet.... much less being the super-auto-configured, so-easy-your-aunt-sally-can-do-it computing platform.

Yeah, even if you know what you're doing (or are not smart/diligent enough to figure it out), then installing a new kernel on your smart phone is probably going to take some tinkering.

Even putting regular vanilla Android on a rooted phone often takes half a dozen steps and a couple of 3rd party desktop applications.....you really *are* new around here I guess.

Apparently you ain't too bright. Just keep drinking the Koolaide.

yes, i'm the dummy. Don't mind me, I have no idea about anything. :rolleyes:

ixodes
Feb 16, 2012, 02:31 PM
Where does the iPhone rank against other phones?

That's easy, all one has to do is look at all the money Apple is holding, and continuing to bring in. That's all that matters to them :)

matttye
Feb 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
I love my galaxy s2 but there are some parts of ios I love. I have an iPad and love iCloud, and the massive amount of apps available on the app store.

Jemani
Feb 16, 2012, 04:07 PM
I'll have to take your word for it since I haven't used Fruity Loops or any other trackers in about 10+ years. As you said, the problem is fixed with the newest revision of the OS.

The audio latency problem with Google's Android OS is far from fixed. ICS finally addresses it, but of course doesn't go far enough and really is a joke. Google it.

I am not here to bash Google's Android Linux. I am sorry if you think so. I only am responding to the poster's question of where does iPhone rank compared to other phones. I've expressed why I choose iOS over Google's crippled Android Linux OS. I have a right to choose and the freedom to do so. I am sorry that upsets you.

Consultant
Feb 16, 2012, 04:30 PM
The audio latency problem with Google's Android OS is far from fixed. ICS finally addresses it, but of course doesn't go far enough and really is a joke. Google it.

I am not here to bash Google's Android Linux. I am sorry if you think so. I only am responding to the poster's question of where does iPhone rank compared to other phones. I've expressed why I choose iOS over Google's crippled Android Linux OS. I have a right to choose and the freedom to do so. I am sorry that upsets you.

Exactly.

Very few of Android users are on ICS. Adoption is in the single digit due to manufacturer not updating Android phones.

Most iOS users are already on iOS 5 (100+ million iCloud accounts)

Jemani
Feb 17, 2012, 04:06 PM
Exactly.

Very few of Android users are on ICS. Adoption is in the single digit due to manufacturer not updating Android phones.

Most iOS users are already on iOS 5 (100+ million iCloud accounts)

The audio latency problem doesn't affect any version of iOS like it does every version of Google's Android OS and it is not user fixable.

The iGentleman
Jul 22, 2012, 04:01 AM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know where people think their iphone ranks against the competition. No I'm not talking about sales, I mean how do you think it holds up against other smartphones? Also, if you have a 4S what do you think makes it better than the iPhone 4 (real world examples, not generic statements like the gpu is faster and it has a faster processor)?

As someone that has owned both the 4 and 4S, I will say there isn't much real world difference between the two. Of course the 4s has Siri and will get turn but turn and 3d maps, but that's because of Apple holding back updates, not a difference in the phone.
As for where it ranks, in today's landscape say the 4S may still be top 5.

AFDoc
Jul 22, 2012, 06:03 AM
That is a loaded question that really has no one answer. Every person has a different reason why they like a particular device. Why I like a device may not be the reason you like a device. On paper tons of phones have better specs yet I feel paper specs mean absolutely nothing. What good is a 4 core processor with a billion gigs of ram if the OS doesn't run smoothly or batter life is total crap?

The iGentleman
Jul 22, 2012, 06:14 AM
That is a loaded question that really has no one answer. Every person has a different reason why they like a particular device. Why I like a device may not be the reason you like a device. On paper tons of phones have better specs yet I feel paper specs mean absolutely nothing. What good is a 4 core processor with a billion gigs of ram if the OS doesn't run smoothly or batter life is total crap?

While I agree it's a tough question to answer, I don't think the OP asked a loaded question. I think it's actually a legitimate question. I think you could argue the 4S is still in the top 5, but at the same time, I think you can also make the argument that it isn't in the top 5. Just being objective, I'd say the One X, GS3, and the GNex are clearly ahead of it. From there, I think you can make an argument either way regarding some other phones like the GS2, RAZR Maxx, and some others.

Jemani
Jul 22, 2012, 08:05 AM
I think the real question should be how do other phones rate against the iPhone.

flybub
Jul 22, 2012, 08:25 AM
I'll chime in on this one. I upgraded to the 4s when it was released (came from HTC Droid Incredible). My wife has iPhone4, we got our son an iPod Touch so he could iMessage us if he needed something. 18 other family members and most of my closest friends all had iPhone 4 or 4s. So I left my rooted DInc for the 4s and to be honest I was pleasantly surprised. The OS was smooth and was actually very pretty to look at. It's a gorgeous device. In March of this year I started getting the itch for something different. So I traded my 4s for the HTC Rezound. I installed the latest leak of ICS and the phone is pretty awesome. It does still have a couple issues I thought would have been fixed by now but that's the way it goes. Camera is amazingly clear, 4G is blazing, and the display is rather good as well. Being on Gingerbread and upgrading to ICS made a dramatic difference in the performance (I assume because the phone is now utilizing its dual core processor) and very very little lag.

All that being said, I will be honest I do miss my iPhone. Each have their pros and cons and to me personally the ability to drag and drop on my phones external SD card is a huge advantage and one of the reasons I went back to Android. It saves me from carrying a flash drive with me. However, if the iPhone gets LTE and a couple other features I keep hearing about I may go back to iOS once the i5 drops.

There is no way to compare Android and iOS to be honest. Like comparing Ford and Chevy, they each have their own little features we all like. Now if we could take a Cummins put it in a Ford SuperDuty and stick an Allison transmission in it that would be a vehicle I would purchase tomorrow. If I could get features of iOS, Android, and Windows all in the same phone we would have not competition and that is what makes the world go round.

Jemani
Jul 22, 2012, 10:32 AM
While I agree that being able to drag and drop was a nice idea, I found it cumbersome. I also found having to search for saved documents a real pain, "God, I know I just saved that file, where is it?" Then I find out it the file isn't natively supported, though some apps work with it, so I have to keep digging for the file. I find iOS much less hassle in that regard. To each, their own.

The iGentleman
Jul 23, 2012, 05:48 AM
While I agree that being able to drag and drop was a nice idea, I found it cumbersome. I also found having to search for saved documents a real pain, "God, I know I just saved that file, where is it?" Then I find out it the file isn't natively supported, though some apps work with it, so I have to keep digging for the file. I find iOS much less hassle in that regard. To each, their own.

Much less hassle in that you can't do it? I don't quite understand that rationale. I can't see how not having a feature is less hassle than having the OPTION of using a feature. If you don't want to use a feature, nobody is forcing you to. On the other hand, for many people, drag and drop is much easier than syncing just to put 1 or 2 files on your phone. I think iOS definitely needs to add that capability to their OS. Drag and drop is one of those things that is very simple and small, but adds that little bit of extra value/convenience that makes life just a little bit easier. It isn't a necessity per se, but it is nice to have.

Jemani
Jul 23, 2012, 08:34 AM
Huh? What do you mean you can't do it?

I have apps that use drag and drop and cut and paste, etc. In fact. I am not even talking about drag and drop! I am talking about how files that are natively unsupported never seem to work right and wouldn't show up when searching, or were a hassle to find and use. I didn't want to root and play the find a ROM flash that works game. I wanted to use my phone. I kept getting the advice, "just root it!"

I wasn't trying to start an argument. I am sorry I made one little slight disagreement. I am sorry ithat I brought up a very real issue to me of file management. It wasn't directed directly at you, what is your problem?

Oh, what's the point of having features? So you can use them. Maybe you shouldn't say you can't unless you know for certain that you can't

iOS doen't work like a empty USB flash card in that one can dump a mess of all their files in one big jumble. It is more like highly organized user file management. I can share files across apps too.

ucfgrad93
Jul 23, 2012, 08:35 AM
If you bought the phone, it probably ranks #1 with you, no?

Pretty much.

rhianlopez
Jul 23, 2012, 09:01 AM
practically the iphone ranks just behind most android phone, honestly. But if you will rank it based on popularity, it is just behind the samsung galaxy S3. Iphone is just popular because its apple with features other mobilephones did not yet have. I would say it's the first smartphone that attracted the consumers but that was before. Today, it's no longer the best as it failed to compete with top android smartphones, most especially that apple is too secure when it comes to third party applications and phone alterations. it is too protective of iphone that it forgot that there's a market to compete with. Check this on which phone is really the best, disregarding the brandname and taking into consideration performance http://www.techyv.com/questions/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-apple-iphone

mattopotamus
Jul 23, 2012, 09:08 AM
practically the iphone ranks just behind most android phone, honestly. But if you will rank it based on popularity, it is just behind the samsung galaxy S3. Iphone is just popular because its apple with features other mobilephones did not yet have. I would say it's the first smartphone that attracted the consumers but that was before. Today, it's no longer the best as it failed to compete with top android smartphones, most especially that apple is too secure when it comes to third party applications and phone alterations. it is too protective of iphone that it forgot that there's a market to compete with. Check this on which phone is really the best, disregarding the brandname and taking into consideration performance http://www.techyv.com/questions/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-apple-iphone

all of that is very subjective. Owning both a 4s and the galaxy nexus, I appreciate the iphone much much more. The nexus is good and fast with JB, but still not on par with the iphone b.c the things that matter most (texting, email, web surfing) still work best on the iphone. The area the nexus wins is google now and slightly better customization. Sparrow will make google's email client better.

Jemani
Jul 23, 2012, 09:41 AM
Lets not forget UI lag.

Everyone Android user I know would exclaim how smooth Androids have become, since they use a way faster processor than an an iPhone. That Android is just as good.

Then google acknowledges the problem and introduces Project Butter. OMG!

All I want is a phone I don't have to constantly install managers for -battery, file, download, music, memory, etc. Is that too much to ask? I don't want to have to tinker my phone experience away, only to be told it will be better with the next OS coming out in a few minutes, that I find out, I'd have to upgrade my phone to get. I am not an infinite source of money and free time devoted to tinkering.

Sorry everyone for the rant. Thank you.

Interstella5555
Jul 23, 2012, 09:57 AM
I have purchased an iPhone but no it doesn't rank #1 with me (for several reasons). What made me ask this is because my uncle challenged me to use a 4S as my phone for a week (he loves his iphone). So I bought a 4S used it for a week as agreed, and promptly went back to my Galaxy Nexus. Anyway, I'm not really trying to turn this into that type of argument though. All in all, he was surprised that after the week ended I went back to my phone instead of keeping the 4S. So after having an interesting discussion with him about it, it made me wonder how other people viewed their iPhone and how the feel it stacks up against the competition. I've found that people's perspectives and reasoning are very interesting when it comes to this (not counting the generic "it just works" statements and other statements of that ilk).

Ok, so you want us to rank the phone against the literally thousands of other phone models out there without using hardware, anecdotal real life situations, or ease of use? Well...it looks better? I mean, there's not a lot of room for conversation here.

Twixt
Jul 23, 2012, 10:01 AM
Lets not forget UI lag.

Everyone Android user I know would exclaim how smooth Androids have become, since they use a way faster processor than an an iPhone. That Android is just as good.

Then google acknowledges the problem and introduces Project Butter. OMG!

All I want is a phone I don't have to constantly install managers for -battery, file, download, music, memory, etc. Is that too much to ask? I don't want to have to tinker my phone experience away, only to be told it will be better with the next OS coming out in a few minutes, that I find out, I'd have to upgrade my phone to get. I am not an infinite source of money and free time devoted to tinkering.

Sorry everyone for the rant. Thank you.

Now phones are smart, so you can do many more things on top of phoning which is now an anecdote. That s probably the reason why former race was to get a phone as small as possible while features were only texting and phoning whereas now the larger the better because it can ease more usages and please more possible clients.
In this move your phone has become a computer with a light OS, but still...
So old wars are out with various landscape, you can go to MAC OS X or linux or MSFT for your laptop the same way you can now choose iOS, ICS or Windows8 for your phone...
If you want something pretty with good design, low level of customization and limited CPU go for a mac book or iphone, if you want to have more custo, more power and more line up choice go the other way.
One more comment is that going for AAPL computers means limited software choice/portability whereas iphone enjoys best library available for mobiles.
That should change with dilution of market shares over time IF Android platform can fix all these issues of versioning...

Jemani
Jul 23, 2012, 10:21 AM
One more comment is that going for AAPL computers means limited software choice/portability whereas iphone enjoys best library available for mobiles.
That should change with dilution of market shares over time IF Android platform can fix all these issues of versioning...

Ok, I am very big into the free source software community. I use Ubuntu Linux on my computers, even my old PPC iBook. I can install Gnash, which is free source, instead of the commercial Flash software. Gnash is not available for Android OS, even though Android OS is supposedly Linux. I can't even install Debian packages. Lest you forget that all OSs are limited. I can't install the screen saver I love from Windows on my Google Chrome net book. Whoops, walled in garden. All OSs are walled in gardens. All sentences have structure. Get the point? The operator of the vessel needs to decide for themselves what is best for them. It has really little to do with the perception that Android offers more customization.

aztooh
Jul 23, 2012, 10:29 AM
Lets not forget UI lag.

Everyone Android user I know would exclaim how smooth Androids have become, since they use a way faster processor than an an iPhone. That Android is just as good.

Then google acknowledges the problem and introduces Project Butter. OMG!

All I want is a phone I don't have to constantly install managers for -battery, file, download, music, memory, etc. Is that too much to ask? I don't want to have to tinker my phone experience away, only to be told it will be better with the next OS coming out in a few minutes, that I find out, I'd have to upgrade my phone to get. I am not an infinite source of money and free time devoted to tinkering.

Sorry everyone for the rant. Thank you.

Sorry, but this argument is really invalid.

My 4S isn't ALWAYS silky smooth and apps DO crash. Many other quirks I have issues with as well, but whatever. And anytime I have to use a 4, it's really painfully slow.

Over time, all phones become slower and slower. I suppose doing a clean swipe and starting fresh would make the phone feel faster, but that defeats the purpose of the phone in the first place.