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direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 03:07 PM
I have wanted one of these for a very long time.. and as soon as i found out that they werent going to be coming anytime soon i went out and bought a sony vaio.. which im now selling, big mistake. anyways.. i reallk want the portability of a small labtop. the 12 incher would be perfect for me at school and such, but im not sure if i should buy one. im gonna be using it for photoshop.. at least a few hours a week on photoshop, web browsing, music/video editing, and word processing..

my question to you:

does anyone think we will see a new 12" or 13" mac book within the next 6 months.. if so.. should i wait?

thanks for all of your help it is greatly appreciated



StarbucksSam
Mar 27, 2006, 03:24 PM
It's been a while. I really would advise you to wait.

godbout
Mar 27, 2006, 03:29 PM
We will certainly see a new 12" mac laptop in the next 6 months... If you can wait that long then you should. Whatever you do you should not buy a new 12" PB... go referb or used if you absolutely have to have one... right now the 12" PB is arguably the biggest ripoff in apples line-up

amateurmacfreak
Mar 27, 2006, 03:36 PM
I know it's hard to wait, but buying a Powerbook now would be a huge mistake. Wait, definitely.

screensaver400
Mar 27, 2006, 03:41 PM
The current 12" PowerBook has been available since January of 2005. They had one price cut on it (dropping the Combo model, making the Super model $1499), but thats all.

I would never buy such a thing new when its become so stale.

Note, though, that the special deals section of the Apple Store may have something that strikes your fancy. I seem to remember them previously having a $1099 Combo Rev. D 12" PowerBook. And the $799 refurb iBook (latest rev) is a much better deal than buying new.

wako
Mar 27, 2006, 03:42 PM
No complaints about my 12'' PowerBook :)


I could careless if it was a "rip off." In my opinion its kind of ironic how some people say that on this board when people go out and buy the Apple Cinema displays when the Dell one is sitting right there for the taking at such a lower price. ;)

However, seeing how Intel is just around the corner, if you want to wait go ahead. If you want to buy it now, go ahead. Either way, its going to be a good purchase, and you will be satisfied.

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 03:51 PM
yeah i think if i am gonna buy im gonna go for a refurb. i also wouldnt feel comfortable going for a rev a machine either, even if a new one comes out.

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 04:17 PM
question: how is the screen on the 12 inch? bright?

MattyMac
Mar 27, 2006, 04:23 PM
Hi, I was in the same perdicament as you....but about 6 months ago. However, if I was at this point in time I would have waited. However, I have no regrets now because I love my powerbook 12 incher and its the perfect little machine for me.

As for the screen...its good enough for me, although some people would say its too dull for their liking. You would have to check one out for yourself at a local apple store...if you have one.

Hope this helps.

fiercetiger224
Mar 27, 2006, 04:24 PM
Just wait buddy, just wait. If you get it now, you'll regret another purchase yet again! The 12-incher will probably just have about a year of lifetime if you buy it now, so just like everyone said, WAIT! I'm sure in like a week or two, the 12-inch or 13-inch MacBook will come out. And it'll be worth the wait. :-D

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 04:27 PM
Just wait buddy, just wait. If you get it now, you'll regret another purchase yet again! The 12-incher will probably just have about a year of lifetime if you buy it now, so just like everyone said, WAIT! I'm sure in like a week or two, the 12-inch or 13-inch MacBook will come out. And it'll be worth the wait. :-D

do you really think so? i thot there wasnt going to be an apple event?

w8ing4intelmacs
Mar 27, 2006, 04:33 PM
do you really think so? i thot there wasnt going to be an apple event?

There's not going to be an Apple event, but Apple is still expected to release new hardware in the next couple of weeks. (Contrary to popular belief, Apple doesn't always have a media event to announce new hardware).

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 04:35 PM
There's not going to be an Apple event, but Apple is still expected to release new hardware in the next couple of weeks. (Contrary to popular believe, Apple doesn't always have a media event to announce new hardware).



this i did not know !

ipacmm
Mar 27, 2006, 04:39 PM
The 12" powerbook is a great laptop but unless you get a really good deal on it, I would wait until the new version because you know it will be out soon. If you feel you do not need the MBP 12" version and can live with the G4 chip, I would just make sure I upgrade the ram in it.

aquajet
Mar 27, 2006, 04:40 PM
I don't know why you all state that direzz will regret purchasing a 12" PowerBook now. We all know that new Intel-based machines are likely slated for release within the next few months or weeks, so there won't be any surprises, and you'll know what you're getting into. Besides, the rumors are that there won't be a 12" MacBook Pro, and it's not entirely clear there will be a 12" form factor MacBook either.

As I always say, if you need the machine now, then buy it. Anybody who recommends to avoid purchasing a PowerBook now, under any circumstances at this point, is giving bad advice IMO.

Having said that, I would personally go for a discounted refurbished 12" PowerBook if I needed a new machine now.

QCassidy352
Mar 27, 2006, 04:43 PM
the 12" powerbook was last updated January 31, 2005. The only "update" since then has been making superdrive standard (i.e. dropping the combo drive model and lowering price on superdrive model a bit). So the 12" powerbook is about 9 months past due for an update. Buying one now would be... ill advised.

Indeed, there does not have to be a special event for apple to release new hardware. In fact, it is fairly rare to have such events outside of expos. There will certainly be a new 12/13" intel macbook and/or macbook pro, and I think the wait will be closer to 6 days than 6 months. (It could be a few weeks, but it will not be months, and it could be within days.)

edit: in response to aquajet:
I believe he'll regret buying one now because:
- the graphics card is crap
- the screen is dull and low res
- 256 RAM built-in with 1.25 GB cap
- the G4 is slow as hell compared to the 'books that will shortly be available

I know that "the next great thing" is always coming, but in this case, the current model is 14 months old and the new model is almost certainly mere weeks away. Simply put, a couple weeks patience will net direzz a LOT more for his money.

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 04:45 PM
I don't know why you all state that direzz will regret purchasing a 12" PowerBook now. We all know that new Intel-based machines are likely slated for release within the next few months or weeks, so there won't be any surprises, and you'll know what you're getting into. Besides, the rumors are that there won't be a 12" MacBook Pro, and it's not entirely clear there will be a 12" form factor MacBook either.

As I always say, if you need the machine now, then buy it. Anybody who recommends to avoid purchasing a PowerBook now, under any circumstances at this point, is giving bad advice IMO.

Having said that, I would personally go for a discounted refurbished 12" PowerBook if I needed a new machine now.


great points. im still unsure, but i mean, if im not satifsfied with the powerbook i buy and i absolutely effing have to have whatever else comes out... then i will go for it.. but i hope to think i would be satisfied with my 12 inch pb.

wongulous
Mar 27, 2006, 05:16 PM
Get the PB 12", refurb. It's still the coolest little 12" on the market, the ONLY one that is from Apple and runs Mac OS X, and the screen is *impeccable*. Great dpi, great brightness, wonderful all-around. With the extra money you save, buy a Bluetooth mouse, a nice case, some extra RAM, or a nice big 60g iPod. If Apple comes out with something new you REALLY want, wait until Rev. B, and buy it for yourself for Christmas or in 2007 (after the next version of OS X comes out).

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 05:56 PM
Get the PB 12", refurb. It's still the coolest little 12" on the market, the ONLY one that is from Apple and runs Mac OS X, and the screen is *impeccable*. Great dpi, great brightness, wonderful all-around. With the extra money you save, buy a Bluetooth mouse, a nice case, some extra RAM, or a nice big 60g iPod. If Apple comes out with something new you REALLY want, wait until Rev. B, and buy it for yourself for Christmas or in 2007 (after the next version of OS X comes out).


i like that idea!! but um.. i dont see any 12" pb;s on the refurb site.. am i blind

QCassidy352
Mar 27, 2006, 06:09 PM
Get the PB 12", refurb. It's still the coolest little 12" on the market, the ONLY one that is from Apple and runs Mac OS X, and the screen is *impeccable*. Great dpi, great brightness, wonderful all-around. With the extra money you save, buy a Bluetooth mouse, a nice case, some extra RAM, or a nice big 60g iPod. If Apple comes out with something new you REALLY want, wait until Rev. B, and buy it for yourself for Christmas or in 2007 (after the next version of OS X comes out).

well actually, the 12" ibook is from apple and runs OS X... it has the same dpi and brightness, and, as I use one every day, I can tell you they're not so great. The screens on the current ibooks and 12" PB are really sub-par. In fact, the screen is my biggest complaint about this ibook.

I'm not sure why you're so hell-bent on getting this right now. You're paying top dollar for a 14 month old model. Do you really need this right now? You really can't wait a few weeks? I understand wanting a new mac right now, but I seriously think you'll be kicking yourself in about 2 weeks.

direzz
Mar 27, 2006, 09:38 PM
well actually, the 12" ibook is from apple and runs OS X... it has the same dpi and brightness, and, as I use one every day, I can tell you they're not so great. The screens on the current ibooks and 12" PB are really sub-par. In fact, the screen is my biggest complaint about this ibook.

I'm not sure why you're so hell-bent on getting this right now. You're paying top dollar for a 14 month old model. Do you really need this right now? You really can't wait a few weeks? I understand wanting a new mac right now, but I seriously think you'll be kicking yourself in about 2 weeks.




yeah i think everyone made great points.. but ill make my decision in a few weeks time unfortunately.. i just hope a new rev a machine wont have problems like the macbook pro :(

MUCKYFINGERS
Mar 27, 2006, 09:59 PM
the refurb latest rev 12" iBook would be a better buy unless you really want the look of the powerbook. it's not like the powerbook will do much more for you, unless you plan on hooking it up to an external monitor at home a lot. then i'd probably consider the powerbook over the ibook (the ibook hack sucks).

bwanac
Mar 27, 2006, 10:15 PM
I am hoping that when the new 12" comes out, people start unloading there "old" g4 for cheap. I would like to upgrade my Mini to a 12" pb and use it mainly as a desktop but also when needed can take it on the run. Plus, as an avid Macromedia suite user, the universal binaries wont be out for a bit I think. And PShop.

munckee
Mar 27, 2006, 10:21 PM
I bought a used one about three weeks ago. Got it for a steal, so the price wasn't so bad and it was in MINT condition. IMO, its the best blend of power and portability out there.

The screen is great until you put it next to something better. I got a dell 20" monitor a couple of days ago, and until I plugged the PB into it, I was really happy with the PB screen. Now that I use the monitors next to one another, its more noticable that the PB screen is a bit dim. Still quite usable though.

My 2 pennies: wait for another week or so to see what happens. If you don't like what's announced then, shop carefully and buy a used 12" PB for a good price. You'll probably make a decent chunk back if you get a good deal on it.

QCassidy352
Mar 27, 2006, 10:22 PM
the refurb latest rev 12" iBook would be a better buy unless you really want the look of the powerbook. it's not like the powerbook will do much more for you, unless you plan on hooking it up to an external monitor at home a lot. then i'd probably consider the powerbook over the ibook (the ibook hack sucks).

I'm using the ibook hack right now; it's great. But you can still only do VGA, so I'd agree: if you want a big external monitor, get the powerbook for DVI.

But again, in a few weeks this will all be moot. :)

danny_w
Mar 27, 2006, 11:06 PM
But again, in a few weeks this will all be moot. :)
It won't be moot to those of use that don't want a rev a machine no matter what. I am in the same boat as a poster above that wants to replace his mini with a 12" pb. Is the screen on the 15" or 17" noticeably better than that on a 12"? I know the 15s/17s have extra features such as a backlit kb and ability to drive the 30" display, but what about the screens? Whatever I get I want to replace my mini and still attach to my 20" 2005fpw.

bwanac
Mar 27, 2006, 11:20 PM
The main reason I want a PB over the iBook is because of the DVI out as someone mentioned. The tv/monitor I use in my room looks so much better DVI than VGA. I lost a deal I had on a PB today... I was angry and still am very much so! :( :mad: :p

fiercetiger224
Mar 27, 2006, 11:33 PM
Ehh, so much speculation about the MacBook...

Oh well, but really, WAIT if you can! I'm sure there'll be many reasons to get the MacBook once it's released! And the thing is, if you're worried about Revision A products, Apple seems to rush production on "popular" products, which is why the first shipment of MacBook Pros had some problems with noise, etc. I haven't really heard any issues with the iMacs or the Mac Minis, since they haven't sold at the rate that the MacBook Pros have. So I'm pretty sure that Apple is making sure that the MacBooks will have none of these issues.

About the DVI connector...I assume Apple will put monitor spanning on the MacBooks, since the new iMac has that capability now. It seems like they're moving away from VGA completely, since the iMac G5 had a VGA connector. Oh well, it's fun to speculate huh?

MUCKYFINGERS
Mar 28, 2006, 12:00 AM
I'm using the ibook hack right now; it's great. But you can still only do VGA, so I'd agree: if you want a big external monitor, get the powerbook for DVI.

But again, in a few weeks this will all be moot. :)

i use the clamshell hack that puts all the vram of the ibook to the external display, but even so, i feel foolish doing it because i feel liike it's a feature apple SHOULD HAVE included on their ibooks and it was completely idiotic to do that to the ibook/pbook line to differentiate them. maybe i'll use the hack again one day but for now i'm happy with my ibook's lcd.

using it to span two monitors while using the higher resolution output of the external is really taxing on the ibook's vram. everything gets choppier.

student_trap
Mar 28, 2006, 02:56 AM
The Truth:

The current powerbook 12in is an awesome machine...its a rev E and reliable, it runs software natively, and within reason, is really fast. When I compare my powerbook to other's windows laptops it runs rings around them. However, since my girlfriend got a mbp, it seems slow by comparison, which really does hark to what we will see relatively soon. The issue is though that if your using ilife, surfing, office work, then the current model will be wonderful, it is only if you really need lots of power that the mbp becomes essential.

Biggest assets of powerbook:

Form factor: we don't know whether the new small mbp will be a 12in or 13in widescreen, personally, i'm not a fan of small widescreen displays, and would rather an update of the current form factor (i.e. non widescreen 12in display)

Reliability:It just 'works'

Relative Speed: It is fast as long as you aren't doing too heavy stuff

Biggest assets of mbp (12/13in):

Screen: will be much better in terms of resolution and brightness

Speed: Need I say anything

General: Newer, more future proof machine

MUCKYFINGERS
Mar 28, 2006, 03:09 AM
The Truth:

The current powerbook 12in is an awesome machine...its a rev E and reliable, it runs software natively, and within reason, is really fast. When I compare my powerbook to other's windows laptops it runs rings around them. However, since my girlfriend got a mbp, it seems slow by comparison, which really does hark to what we will see relatively soon. The issue is though that if your using ilife, surfing, office work, then the current model will be wonderful, it is only if you really need lots of power that the mbp becomes essential.


Bingo.

I'm still thinking of picking one up myself (once the new Macbooks are released), if the prices are low enough. 12" portability is always very nice.

brikeh
Mar 28, 2006, 04:36 AM
IMO nothing out beats the 12 inch right now when it comes to portability. I love mine and Im maxinŽout the ram today. Its a great little machine and Im sure it will serve me well.

direzz
Mar 28, 2006, 05:08 PM
oddd. apple doesnt have any 12" refurbs.. anyone know if they will get them?

ozone
Mar 28, 2006, 05:28 PM
I picked up a 17" PB on deep discount. I have to agree... if you need it or it has special appeal for you, get it. All the software you need now, in the near future, and from the far past will work on it. You won't have to worry about rev A problems.

Sure it won't last forever, but if you're NOT computing to the nth degree or if you really DON'T GIVE A DAMN whether it takes 30 seconds or 55 seconds to paginate a 200 page document, or whether you can only transfer 8 songs/min versus 12 songs/min (or some other seemingly pointless benchmark), then who cares? :rolleyes:

Not that I'm knocking the latest-and-greatest, but keep in mind that Apple time is NOT equal to real time.

Waiting for product announcement = now to 6 months from now...
Product announcement = 1 month to go before shipping...
Shipping start = 2 more months to wait...

bwanac
Mar 28, 2006, 06:11 PM
oddd. apple doesnt have any 12" refurbs.. anyone know if they will get them?

I saw one earlier today. 1099 for combo drive 1.5ghz 512mb.

direzz
Mar 28, 2006, 06:13 PM
I saw one earlier today. 1099 for combo drive 1.5ghz 512mb.
ah!!!! that would be awesome for my needs!!!

m-dogg
Mar 28, 2006, 06:32 PM
they pop up from day to day. Just check regularly and be ready to jump on it if you see it there. That model for $1099 and the same model but with a superdrive is often there for $1199...

celebrian23
Mar 28, 2006, 06:41 PM
Check the refurb shop everyday, some days there's a little less, some days a little more.

itcheroni
Mar 28, 2006, 09:31 PM
ah!!!! that would be awesome for my needs!!!

Hey direzz, I sent you a PM. Would you be selling your Vaio if you do get a PB? I might be forced to use a PC for law school.

joshwest
Mar 29, 2006, 09:29 AM
I dont really see the downside of picking up a 12" PB right now. I myself about two weeks ago, after searching and just reading around on MacRumors i started have the urge to want one myself. I had a nice 1.42 iBook w/ a gig of ram. But I reasearched on ebay and saw i could get around a grand to 1100 for the iBook. So i listed it got rid of it cause it wasnt my main computer and talked to a MR friend TeeRex and he was getting rid of both his and his wife's 12" PB's cause they just purchased two MBP's. I offered him 1100$ and in 4 days i had my 5 Month old 12" PB and I must say its a great little Machine even with 768 ram in it (goning to max it out very soon). There wasnt a huge speed bump from 1.42-1.5 and it has a Superdrive so it really isnt that big jump on specs. But when it comes to size and portability compared to the iBook the PB wins all. I'd def say pick up a refurb just to save some cash, also if another MacBook or 12 MBP is released you could easily ebay it and be out just a little under for what you pay. Thats the greatest thing about Apple's is the resale value and demand.

direzz
Mar 29, 2006, 09:41 AM
^^^
yea thats what i was thinkin, so i think im going to grab a 12 inch asap. i wouldnt feel comfortable buying a rev a 13inch macbook whatever so 12 inch it is. im excited. now if only i could sell my sony vaio :(

MUCKYFINGERS
Mar 29, 2006, 12:41 PM
anyone have any idea how much the 12" powerbooks are gonna go for once the intel macbooks are released? i mean based on past market prices and all...

Daeman
Mar 29, 2006, 12:45 PM
just to reassure those thinking of buying the 12" PB. Ive had mine 6 monthes now and have loved it. After switching from a dire pc. It was a breath of fresh air. i think the screen is great however i really havnt had much to compare it to . i should get more ram soon but apart from that have had no problems at all.
Never had a kernal panic
Only had to do a hardrestart once and the restart smoothed all problems over
No problem with airport ( i get next doors connection with ease ) and no i dont steal it. its a terrace of university houses.
i would however suggest a superdrive as mine has really come in handy even though i didnt think it would.
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