OpenGL Problem

[voyagerd]

Ok, really bad problem here with OpenGl, to simply put it, it's not working. This is a big problem since I'm a big gamer. All applications that use OpenGL have become considerably slower if working at all since this problem began. It began some time after 10.2.4 was released and I first noticed it in a flight-sim called X-Plane. It became so slow that you couldn't even quit it normally. I re-installed the game and it worked fine for awhile. No it seems to have spead. I even re-installed the game again and the whole system and still, OpenGL enabled games don't get the normal acceleration. I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 733 MHz, 896 MB RAM, Mac OS X 10.2.5, and a GeForce2 MX graphics card. Do you think it might be the card? If it might be, I'm getting a new GeForce4 Ti sometime in the next month. What else could it be and how could I fix it? Thanks for the help!

[bousozoku]

If it's a problem with OpenGL then Quartz Extreme would also be having speed issues. Have you noticed anything with multiple overlapping windows and menus?

[voyagerd]

umm... not really... just noticed it in games such as X-Plane(can't run), Warbirds III(can't run), Elte Force(a lot slower), and some others///

[voyagerd]

I tried taking all of the preferences out of my Home folder to see if that was the problem. This was the only folder not replaced by the reinstallation of Mac OS X.. no effect...

Also, when I removed the card... the heat sync was very hot like it was working really hard.
Maybe a transistor popped,
causing more electrical resistance
slowing down the whole GPU in intensive processes.

Like processors slow down when they get too hot.

[alex_ant]

Processors don't slow down when they get too hot unless they have special throttle-down circuitry which I'm not aware of any graphics card having. Normally CPUs either lock up, shut off, or fry themselves (or some combination of those). If anything on the board "popped," there is basically a 100% chance that the board would completely stop working. I'm pretty sure it's software problem you have, unless something has happened to the heat sink or the fan on the graphics card. Check those, but I bet it's a software problem.

[voyagerd]

Anybody know what else int the Home/Library folder might mess up 3D accelerated graphics? X-Plane says "No 3D card detected"

[GeeYouEye]

get the GUI of F@H. If it shows up as white, it's an OpenGL problem. Otherwise the video card may be fried. Either way, start folding for team 3446 if you haven't already.

[voyagerd]

:confused: :confused:

GUI of F@H?

start folding for team 3446 if you haven't already?

:confused: :confused:

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by voyagerd
:confused: :confused:

GUI of F@H?

start folding for team 3446 if you haven't already?

:confused: :confused:

He is talking about something else... there... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=21908)

I think your video card might have some major problems, check if it even shows in the system profiler, if not I have a hunch.

[voyagerd]

System Profiler says:

PCI:
SLOT-1(AGP):

Card Type : display |
Card Name : NVDA,NVMac |
Card Model : GeForce2 MX |
Vendor ID : 10de |
Device ID : 110 |
ROM# : 1057.019 |
Revision : b2 |
Card (Video) Memory : 32 MB

[voyagerd]

I get a 3D model of the protein on Folding@Home.... but it rotates extremely slowely... not sure if this is right... sems to be whats happening in my othe 3D apps

EVERYTHING WORKS BUT AT ABOUT .1 FRAMES PER SECOND!!

Anybody know of any utility that would check you graphics card?

[chewbaccapits]

Ever since I upgrade to 10.2.5, I have probs with WOLFENSTEIN...I constanly get "connection interrupted" messages....It never happened in 10.2.4 only in 10.2.5 (instanly, I might add). Nothing else is running in the background...Nothing at all....Um, well, at least I think. Nothing is selected to run...reason ehy I say this is because it seems as if my computer is checking something, like mail or if someone was downloading from me (I have a server)...Its weird. Any ideas?

[voyagerd]

chewbaccapits, I found that my internet really slowed down after installing 10.2.5. To fix it, I just unplugged my Airport and my cable modem and plugged them back in. Try something like that on your setup.

Now, back to the topic of the forum.:rolleyes:

Posting from my dad's PowerBook..:(

I tried something new. I restarted on OS 9 and opened TechTool Pro 3.09... I ran the VRAM diagnostic and after a lot of things, the display just stayed blank for awhile...So, I used the restart button on my PowerMac...Then as it restarted, I got the folder with the question mark on it. I restarted on the 10.2 install CD to try to repair it. Disk Utility couldn't repair it. Now I have the PowerMac on FireWire targget disk hooked up to the Powerbook. I'm repairing the HD with Drive 10 right now. Really slow. Fortunately, I might get my Geforce4 Ti on Friday...:)


WHY ARE ALL THE BOOKS IN SOPHOMORE ENGLISH SO DEPRESSING?!?!? THEY'RE ALL AABOUT PEOPLE KILLING THEIR BEST FRIENDS AND/OR COMMITITNG SUICIDE!!!


Duffman can't breath! OH, NO!

[voyagerd]

When I leave Drive 10 to repair for a long time and then come back, usually overnight, it's not repairing any more... meh...

[bousozoku]

This seems more and more unrelated to anything, so I'd say that it's the battery, especially with it having trouble finding system software.

If you haven't reset PRAM, I would do that first. You could also reset the Open Firmware.

[voyagerd]

I reset the PRAM and reset the Open Firmware. Then I tried to do fsck, I held down Apple+S to get into the single user boot screen. But then I just got the flashing folder with the Mac symbol / Question mark. Meh. can't even get into that. Going back to Drive 10 to try to repair it.

[voyagerd]

When I try to use Disk Utility to repair the PowerMac HD over FireWire, I keep getting three errors:

Missing thread record (id = 891880)

Invalid volume file count
(It should be 383847 instead of 383884)

Invalid volume file count
(It should be 383884 instead of 383847)

It tries to repair the volume and says repairs completed but the errors keep showing up. Back to Drive 10...:rolleyes:

[voyagerd]

This is what I get in Drive 10:

Volume Structure
Failed (Error = -60)
Drive 10 can scan volumes for problems related to the numerous structures that are necessary for the volumes to operate correctly. If problems are found, Drive 10 can attempt to repair the damage to help reduce the chance of future problems.

If Drive 10 has discovered problems with the volume structure of a volume, allow the program to repair the problem. Quite often these issues are minor, but sometimes they can be indicative of a more serious problem. If the problem persists, consider backing up the device, reformatting the media, replacing the data, and then testing again.

[voyagerd]

Anyone know what Drive 10 is doing when it says it's "Working..."..."Task 5 of 6"??:confused:

It has been doing this for an awfully long time...
I started the repair last night at about 9.

No smart ass replies please...

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by voyagerd
Ok, really bad problem here with OpenGl, to simply put it, it's not working. This is a big problem since I'm a big gamer. All applications that use OpenGL have become considerably slower if working at all since this problem began. It began some time after 10.2.4 was released and I first noticed it in a flight-sim called X-Plane. It became so slow that you couldn't even quit it normally. I re-installed the game and it worked fine for awhile. No it seems to have spead. I even re-installed the game again and the whole system and still, OpenGL enabled games don't get the normal acceleration. I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 733 MHz, 896 MB RAM, Mac OS X 10.2.5, and a GeForce2 MX graphics card. Do you think it might be the card? If it might be, I'm getting a new GeForce4 Ti sometime in the next month. What else could it be and how could I fix it? Thanks for the help!

Try reinstalling the 10.2.5 combo update.

[voyagerd]

I would if I could start the computer!:p

[voyagerd]

Ok, Drive 10 fixed the problems... Let's hope it boots now...

[voyagerd]

I had to reinstall the system. The graphics still seem really slow on some 2D things and those games still don't work right.

[voyagerd]

Anybody else have any suggestions? Please! I need my games! It doesn't seem to be software.

I also posted my problem at the Apple discussion forums here:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@214.3aaiaUufjuG.2@.3bc1de15

[voyagerd]

I found something that might be the problem. During single-user boot it said:
Couldn't alloc class "NVDANV10HAL"
before it got to the place where you could type. This is the extension NVDANV10Hal.kext. It's an nVidia extension so it could be causing the problems that I have been having. Anybody know what this means or what I can do to fix it?

Thanks,
Eric

E-mail: voyagerd@hotmail.com
AIM/iChat: startrekdove

[Fukui]

NVDANV10Hal.kext
Thats the Nvidia NV10 Hardware Abstraction Layer kernel extention.

Couldn't alloc class "NVDANV10HAL"

It means that it cant initialize a class in that perticular kernel extention, in other words, it seems the driver is encountering something it shouldn't and cant allocate memory to load the extention. You should try replacing your Video Card, the problem will likely go away...

I had a similar problem with the GF2 card in my cube: I took it to a client to do some website work at thier office, I used thier VGA monitor (before I only used my ADC apple monitor) but there was no image when using the VGA port! So I took out the card, and found out when they made it, they forgot to solder the connetion on the VGA connector! I was like "damn! thats stupid!" so I soldered it up and it workd fine ever since...the point is, if your card is under warranty its probably thier fault. So it should be replaced.

P.S Are you getting this error only in 10.2.5 or also after you reinstall?
I can attach my same NVDANV10HAL.kext file and you can replace it with that one if you wanna try...

[voyagerd]

I'm not sure if it had that message in 10.2.4, but I had the same problem then, after i upgraded to 10.2.5, and then after I reinstalled the system.

I've used the video card on both VGA and ADC as well. I'm using ADC currently.

[Fukui]

Did you completely erase the system or just install over it? I would recommend to format your HD with disk utility and copletely "zero" your disk, and then install again (zeroing it will completely overwrite everything on your disk with zeros), if the problem still is there, then your card is probly fried...you can get a ATI 9000 for like $160 if its any consolation...sorry...

[voyagerd]

I did the archive and install. This puts the whole system into another folder and then completely writes all the system, library, and user files over again. I'm not sure why zeroing it would help if the files are al new.

[Fukui]

Yea, sometimes, atleast for me, it has helped after I had my system messed up (like when the disk repair programs messed up my HD)...well, it sounds like a hardware prob anyway..good luck :)

[voyagerd]

I might get tro try our a Geforce4 Ti 4600 today. I get to keep it fofree if it's not broken. I really hope that the guy didn't send the wrong one again. :rolleyes:

[voyagerd]

Ok, really tired of ths problem, (I was getting tired of my GeForce2 MX anyway). I just bought a GeForce 4 Ti 4600 on eBay. Thanks for all you guy's help and support.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by voyagerd
I found something that might be the problem. During single-user boot it said:
Couldn't alloc class "NVDANV10HAL"
before it got to the place where you could type. This is the extension NVDANV10Hal.kext. It's an nVidia extension so it could be causing the problems that I have been having. Anybody know what this means or what I can do to fix it?

Thanks,
Eric

E-mail: voyagerd@hotmail.com
AIM/iChat: startrekdove

I don't have your problem but as far as I know every mac with 10.2 shows that Nvidia error. Mine does but I don't have any problems and it always has even with 10.2 and all the later updates.