windows vista on boot camp

[wasd]

Since windows vista is out now, I was wondering will it work on boot camp. For example following the same set up on the windows xp installation on boot camp.
Thanks
Ken

[fiercetiger224]

Since windows vista is out now, I was wondering will it work on boot camp. For example following the same set up on the windows xp installation on boot camp.
Thanks
Ken

You should be able to install Vista on your Mac, but Apple doesn't provide the final drivers for it now. I've heard that Microsoft already has drivers for whatever Mac that you are installing it on. You just have to go to Windows Update to get the drivers that you are missing. I'm waiting to get my copy of Vista so that I can confirm it.

Meanwhile, what Mac are you trying to install it on?

[sixth]

I am running it now with no issues. Ultimate + MBP C2D. You have to manually install the drivers though, as apple does not supply the vista ones....otherwise its running PURRRFECT for me.

Enjoy!
edit- should mention that my sound stutters..still working on that..seems like a driver issue.

[bearbo]

I am running it now with no issues. Ultimate + MBP C2D. You have to manually install the drivers though, as apple does not supply the vista ones....otherwise its running PURRRFECT for me.

Enjoy!

where did you get your ultimate so fast?

[sixth]

Still working on drivers for sound issues. I should have been more straight...i have the beta rc2 (which is ultimate) and i am picking up ultimate today at best buy as soon as i can get there!

[dragon2611]

Still working on drivers for sound issues. I should have been more straight...i have the beta rc2 (which is ultimate) and i am picking up ultimate today at best buy as soon as i can get there!

xp drivers mostly work on vista.

theres a commandline argument u can use on the mac driver setup to get it to extract the drivers from the file.

Install Macintosh Drivers for Windows XP.exe" /A /v

[wasd]

I'm installing this on a macbook pro core duo. Do i need the 32 bit? or is there only one version for both types.

[Me1000]

where did you get your ultimate so fast?

my guess its a RC

[jamesmcd]

I installed Vista Ultimate on my iMac yesterday into a clean partition (no XP).

I didn't have to touch any driver cd at all, everything (apart from iSight, IR) works perfectly. No problem with sound or Video with Vista drivers.

[polishmacuser]

does anybody know if ultimate will work for a macbook core duo 2Gb ram. post a pic if you can. i would like to know thanks

[mzeb]

Vista on a MacBook core duo (Rev A) with 2GHz/2GB is a dream. I've been running on this machine for the past 6 months and have had good luck. (I'm one of the devs on vista if anyone is wondering.) And now I can finally post this. Here's what works and what doesn't:

1) Graphics: there is a wddm driver for the GMA 950. That means that if you have more than 512MB of RAM you get glass. It's in the Vista Box. The brightness control causes issues with UAC. It will ask for permission to launch whenever you log in.
2) Sound: The sigmatel driver included in the Vista Box works, but it takes a small registry hack. A key has to be added. Alternately if you unpack apples drivers the sigmatel driver in apple's drivers works without the hack.
3) Networking: Both wired and wireless in box.
4) Trackpad: the default trackpad driver for Vista works, but you don't get any advanced features (ie. no two finger click). You can install the apple trackpad driver and get the same functionality as in XP. There's a catch. The driver doesn't come out of sleep properly. Apple knows about this. I've been using a program called AutoHotkey in the interim.
5) Keyboard: apple keyboard support works great. No problems.
6) Bluetooth: getting this working is a bit of a trick, but it does work. Both my mighty mouse and my Motorola E815 work in Vista with apple's bluetooth support. It must be installed manually through device manager.

Hope this helps everyone. I'll be keeping an eye on mac support from the inside ;-). I am proud of Vista and it's a solid OS. The first windows OS I can work on. It's well worth dual booting. On the note of hardware, Apple still has it down. The Mac is the best Windows machine to date :-). Thanks. Post here and I'll try to keep checking back.

[Lovesong]

does anybody know if ultimate will work for a macbook core duo 2Gb ram. post a pic if you can. i would like to know thanks

Min VRAM for Ultimate= 128MB
Macbook VRAM= 64MB
So...sorry, mate

[polishmacuser]

Vista on a MacBook core duo (Rev A) with 2GHz/2GB is a dream. I've been running on this machine for the past 6 months and have had good luck. (I'm one of the devs on vista if anyone is wondering.) And now I can finally post this. Here's what works and what doesn't:

1) Graphics: there is a wddm driver for the GMA 950. That means that if you have more than 512MB of RAM you get glass. It's in the Vista Box. The brightness control causes issues with UAC. It will ask for permission to launch whenever you log in.
2) Sound: The sigmatel driver included in the Vista Box works, but it takes a small registry hack. A key has to be added. Alternately if you unpack apples drivers the sigmatel driver in apple's drivers works without the hack.
3) Networking: Both wired and wireless in box.
4) Trackpad: the default trackpad driver for Vista works, but you don't get any advanced features (ie. no two finger click). You can install the apple trackpad driver and get the same functionality as in XP. There's a catch. The driver doesn't come out of sleep properly. Apple knows about this. I've been using a program called AutoHotkey in the interim.
5) Keyboard: apple keyboard support works great. No problems.
6) Bluetooth: getting this working is a bit of a trick, but it does work. Both my mighty mouse and my Motorola E815 work in Vista with apple's bluetooth support. It must be installed manually through device manager.

Hope this helps everyone. I'll be keeping an eye on mac support from the inside ;-). I am proud of Vista and it's a solid OS. The first windows OS I can work on. It's well worth dual booting. On the note of hardware, Apple still has it down. The Mac is the best Windows machine to date :-). Thanks. Post here and I'll try to keep checking back.thanks alot well i ran rc1 on my macbook and the drivers didnt really work. But besides that it looked nice. And finally a stable windows OS(hopefully)

[polishmacuser]

another question how many gb would you really recommend. It worked fine for 30 Gb but still. should i get a bigger hard drive or what.?

[mzeb]

another question how many gb would you really recommend. It worked fine for 30 Gb but still. should i get a bigger hard drive or what.?

Well, for me, I went with the stock 60 Gig and things are a little tight with both OS's. But it all depends on what you plan to do with your machine. Personally, I'm looking to upgrade to a 160G 7200 RPM drive in the near future (it's a pretty easy upgrade if your so inclined). Go for a bigger drive if it's not too late.

[dudiak]

I've worked with Vista on a Mac Pro using boot camp and have not found it to be the easiest installation. Windows Vista has trouble being made the secondary partition on a secondary drive and will not allow you to install it from booting the DVD under certain conditions. A general workaround I found to any issues with Vista not being satisfied with the drive configuration is rather simple and also works if XP is already on the machine and it won't upgrade:

Install Windows XP (if not already on)
Start Windows XP
Open Vista installer from XP and do a custom install
Have the installer leave the partitions intact, but move the XP stuff to a folder (Windows.old)

This setup will keep your partition setup exactly the way Boot Camp likes it for XP (no removal of the EFI partition, for example) and opens up some less conventional options like installing on the second, third, or fourth drive on the Mac Pro even if Vista won't let you. Beyond that, the Mac Pro seems to run very well with Vista. Sound and graphics drivers work fine, although the sound drivers seem to take a little work to get just right. Also, it does not seem currently possible to use the Boot Camp installation of Vista with the new RC for Parallels like you can with XP (i.e. dual boot and virtualize from one install of the OS on a physical partition). It may be possible soon, as Parallels seems to get updated quickly or there may be some particular tinkering that makes it work.
Personally, after working with Vista for a little while, I think I prefer Windows XP since I only use Windows for a few games and programs from time to time and don't need an OS that uses 512MB of RAM when it idles to do that. The performance hit of going from XP to Vista is similar to going from Mac OS 9.1 to Mac OS 10.0 and Vista can be almost as buggy in parts. The best bet is to wait for a little more optimization and patches. Besides, by then Boot Camp and Parallels will have much better native support for Vista.

[balahir]

I can also verify that Vista Ultimate runs perfectly on both my machines, an iMac C2D and a MBP CD. All hardware is found and drivers correctly installed and updated. I am using the localized Swedish version of Vista, and I had no issues with my Apple BT keyboard and mouse for the iMac, worked right out of the box. When I tried the english RTM version a couple of months ago, I had to have a USB keyboard during the installation. Also, everytime I booted into Vista, it could not find the BT keyboard. Had to switch off and on the keyboard every time.

However, I do experience the same issues as described above, lack of drivers for iSight and for right-click on the track pad on the MBP. Does anybody know if Apple will update BootCamp now when Vista is officially released, with new Vista drivers?

I have always used a mix of Windows machines and Macs, but Vista on the iMac C2D is the fastest PC I have had...

[dragon2611]

Min VRAM for Ultimate= 128MB
Macbook VRAM= 64MB
So...sorry, mate

Nope

Macbook Vram= 0mb (it uses shared memory)

Macbook RAM allocated to GMA950 under OSX = 64mb.

Macbbook RAM allocated to GMA950 under windows = upto 224MB depending on how much ram you have (you need 1gb or more for it to allocate 224mb)

[willybNL]

Well... even MS runs vista on a mac... (on national tv demo)

http://atvs.vg.no/player/index.php?id=7334

[marioman38]

"I am running it now with no issues. Ultimate + MBP C2D. You have to manually install the drivers though, as apple does not supply the vista ones....otherwise its running PURRRFECT for me."

Exactly the same here... (My sound doesn't studder though)

The Ambient Light Sensor even works with the display/backlight keyboard, with a little help from "input remapper" its actually kinda cool...

My airport didnt work, but i manually installed it by going to the "hardware manager" and telling it to search for drivers where i extracted them from the bootcamp cd...

[iProd]

4) Trackpad: the default trackpad driver for Vista works, but you don't get any advanced features (ie. no two finger click). You can install the apple trackpad driver and get the same functionality as in XP. There's a catch. The driver doesn't come out of sleep properly. Apple knows about this. I've been using a program called AutoHotkey in the interim.


Hey, so about the trackpad. Can you tell me how to get it to work? That'd be great if you could. Thanks :D

[dukebound85]

How compatible are xp programs with vista. could i run ProEngineer and mathcad for example? Or should I hold onto xp

[MagicWok]

More questions... lol

Is there a way I could install Vista, using Bootcamp or otherwise, onto an external HDD via FW800? Just wondering if it is possible, so I wouldn't have to partition my internal HDD in my MBP.

Cheers!

[ex-hp]

More questions... lol

Is there a way I could install Vista, using Bootcamp or otherwise, onto an external HDD via FW800? Just wondering if it is possible, so I wouldn't have to partition my internal HDD in my MBP.

Cheers!

Right on, same question.

In addition, I heard that the upgrade versions of Vista require XP to be ALREADY INSTALLED. You can't make a clean installation of Vista without XP already being installed. Is this true? And if so, Microsoft, why do you hate us users so?

[sixth]

Went from RC2 to ultimate today..running perfect. Audio still crankling,, not sure what that is about, and there is no right click on the trackpad (just using my mouse)....otherwise its perfect...apple just needs to update its drivers for vista and it will be even better...

Edit- Sounds works perfect now...has anyone figured out how to get the audio buttons to control the master volume? When I use the buttons it just changes the audio level on the keyboard control program and not the main sound on the MBP...any ideas?

[thefunkymunky]

The Ambient Light Sensor even works with the display/backlight keyboard, with a little help from "input remapper" its actually kinda cool...

What do you need to configure to get the backlit keyboard working. Running Vista Ultimate RTM here, specs in sig. Also. Can anyone tell me how to get the screen brightness working. Mine is stuff on full brightness all the time.:confused:

[balahir]

Went from RC2 to ultimate today..running perfect. Audio still crankling,, not sure what that is about, and there is no right click on the trackpad (just using my mouse)....otherwise its perfect...apple just needs to update its drivers for vista and it will be even better...

Edit- Sounds works perfect now...has anyone figured out how to get the audio buttons to control the master volume? When I use the buttons it just changes the audio level on the keyboard control program and not the main sound on the MBP...any ideas?

Same for me. The same goes for the screen brightness which worked fine under XP. I have tried to extract the driver installer package but i can not find the files for the brightness - anybody knows ?

[NATO]

I've installed Vista Business, but I can't get right click working. How do you get right click support without actually having to use an external mouse? I'd prefer a keyboard method to avoid having to install the trackpad drivers (which apparently have problems coming out of sleep), but if needs be I'll install them.

If I have to install the trackpad driver, could you be specific as to exactly how to do it?

[sixth]

I am not aware of any trackpad driver unless there was one in a previous bootcamp release....

[stevenz]

Vista Business was released here 2 days ago, flatmate has it as sole-OS on his mac mini, works flawlessly.

Used bootcamp to convert partition table to the right format, then during the vista install deleted _all_ partitions and made the entire drive 1 big NTFS partition. Judging by the EFI directory on the install disk, Microsoft snuck in EFI support at the last minute.

Just booting to desktop uses just over 512Mb of RAM (default configuration in Parallels). The base install of Vista Business uses approx 9.6Gig of hard-disk. No point running Vista in a machine with less than 2Gb of RAM if you want to do anything of any merit. Pretty resource hungry compared to OSX which uses about 300Mb to desktop on my system (I've turned a lot of things off)

I don't think the bluetooth is working, but everything else seems 100%. We haven't tried installing the XP drivers onto it yet. Pretty sure I had that stupid Aero Glass interface running in parallels but it's not working at the moment, I probably turned something off that it needed though.

There seems to be daily updates for Vista at this stage. Today there has been 1 "important" and 3 "recommended" OS patches as well as 4 upates for its security software.

Looks pretty, don't like the file navigation system much, but then I don't like the system in OSX either. Pathfinder makes it more acceptable.

[mzeb]

Hey, so about the trackpad. Can you tell me how to get it to work? That'd be great if you could. Thanks :D

To install the apple driver ( note that this driver fails after sleep, meaning if you put your machine to sleep you won't have use of the trackpad ):
1) Start > Control Panel > Device manager
2) Expand the list of Human Interface Devices
3) Select the USB Human Interface Device second from the bottom of the list (this could vary if you have other usb devices installed)
4) Click the "Update Driver Software" button in the device manager toolbar
5) In the resulting dialog click "browse my computer for driver software"
6) Click "let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer"
7) If the option for "Apple Trackpad" doesn't show up then you have the wrong device. Apple's driver is unsigned so it will not install by default. If you select it here and finish with the install you'll have two finger scrolling and two finger clicking.

My current work around is using AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com). Install the program and add the following line to your AutoHotKey.ini and a command-click becomes a right click (like the good old Warcraft II/Diablo days :D ):

#LButton::RButton

Alternately for control-click

^LButton::RButton

Hope this helps

[sixth]

I did what you said above and i still have no right click...I am using the driver from the boot camp disc from the second folder, i have scrolling but no tapping or right clicking...

[balahir]

Vista finds my Apple BT mouse, but the scroll "wheel" (or maybe orb is a better word) does not work. Any idea?

[mzeb]

I did what you said above and i still have no right click...I am using the driver from the boot camp disc from the second folder, i have scrolling but no tapping or right clicking...

There isn't any tap support yet, to get the right click you have to hold two fingers on the track pad and click the button. I'm waiting on tap support too so I know where you're coming from :-). It seems Apple hasin't implemented it yet though.

[mzeb]

What do you need to configure to get the backlit keyboard working. Running Vista Ultimate RTM here, specs in sig. Also. Can anyone tell me how to get the screen brightness working. Mine is stuff on full brightness all the time.:confused:

I don't have one of those cool backlit keyboards on my macbook, but I can advise about the brightness control.

Unpack the driver via "Install Macintosh Divers for Windows XP" /a /V and that will create some folders in the location you choose. One of those folders will be labeled "system32". Inside that you will find the brightness exe. Drop that in Windows\System32 (tell UAC to allow this) and then double click it (tell UAC to allow this). To make it start up when you log in put it in your start > all programs > startup folder. When you log in an icon will appear in your taskbar saying that some programs were blocked. This will be the brightness program. Once again. Allow it to start. Currently you'll have to do this every time you log in. I imagine apple will find a work around to this in the future but I don't know how to do it myself.

[thefunkymunky]

I don't have one of those cool backlit keyboards on my macbook, but I can advise about the brightness control.

Unpack the driver via "Install Macintosh Divers for Windows XP" /a /V and that will create some folders in the location you choose. One of those folders will be labeled "system32". Inside that you will find the brightness exe. Drop that in Windows\System32 (tell UAC to allow this) and then double click it (tell UAC to allow this). To make it start up when you log in put it in your start > all programs > startup folder. When you log in an icon will appear in your taskbar saying that some programs were blocked. This will be the brightness program. Once again. Allow it to start. Currently you'll have to do this every time you log in. I imagine apple will find a work around to this in the future but I don't know how to do it myself.

Hi, Thanks for the instructions. For some reason though I dont get the icon that tells me that some startup items have been blocked and when I manually run ¨Brightness.exe¨ nothing happens, no message or prompt, nothing. It doesnt even appear as a process running in ¨Task Manager¨.:confused:

[blashphemy]

where did you get your ultimate so fast?

newegg. theyve been selling Ultimate OEM editions for quite a while, ordered it Sunday night and it arrived Tuesday night (last night); it wouldve arrived earlier but UPS takes its time to come to my house :P

i dont think you even need boot camp to run Vista. originally, i tried to pirate vista back in November or so when I learned that RTM versions were available on the P2P networks, but I was having trouble getting the installer to run after boot. I look into the ISO to try and do a little bit of worthless troubleshooting and lo and behold theres a folder named "efi"! So I put the disc into my CD iMac and hit the Option key while it was booting up so instead of seeing a Mac HDD and a Windows HDD, I saw a Mac HDD, a Windows HDD, and a Windows CD! Trying to install off the Vista DVD on the Mac resulted in the same problem at the time.

Now:

1) That was an RTM ISO. What probably went wrong was that the disc burner on my Dell sucked. So, although I haven't checked, Vista probably supports EFI and can probably install on a Mac A-OK.

2) Vista comes with a BUNCH of drivers for it. When I ran the Vista Upgrade Advisor on my Dell, it had drivers for every single bit of hardware in my 3-yr old system except for my sound card, and Dell had those drivers available for download. Chances are, Vista will be have drivers for most everything in an iMac or any other Mac, but I would try to run the Vista Upgrade Advisor off of XP on Boot camp before trying to upgrade to make sure.

edit: Oh wait haha someone already mentioned EFI. lol.

About the brightness:

Create a shortcut to brightness.exe in system32 and drop it into the Startup folder in the Start menu, although you might have to drop the actual EXE in the Startup folder. What this means: Windows will run everything in the Start menu when you boot up your machine, so you shouldn't have to worry about starting it every time you boot up.

[thefunkymunky]

About the brightness:

Create a shortcut to brightness.exe in system32 and drop it into the Startup folder in the Start menu, although you might have to drop the actual EXE in the Startup folder. What this means: Windows will run everything in the Start menu when you boot up your machine, so you shouldn't have to worry about starting it every time you boot up.

I've done that already but "Brightness.exe" just does not load. It just doesn't appear as a running process in Task Manager.:confused:

Are there some folks who have "Brightness.exe: working then?

[iProd]

To install the apple driver ( note that this driver fails after sleep, meaning if you put your machine to sleep you won't have use of the trackpad ):
1) Start > Control Panel > Device manager
2) Expand the list of Human Interface Devices
3) Select the USB Human Interface Device second from the bottom of the list (this could vary if you have other usb devices installed)
4) Click the "Update Driver Software" button in the device manager toolbar
5) In the resulting dialog click "browse my computer for driver software"
6) Click "let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer"
7) If the option for "Apple Trackpad" doesn't show up then you have the wrong device. Apple's driver is unsigned so it will not install by default. If you select it here and finish with the install you'll have two finger scrolling and two finger clicking.

My current work around is using AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com). Install the program and add the following line to your AutoHotKey.ini and a command-click becomes a right click (like the good old Warcraft II/Diablo days :D ):

#LButton::RButton

Alternately for control-click

^LButton::RButton

Hope this helps

Hmm, it didn't work for me. None of them had the option for Apple Trackpad. I did notice when installing the drivers initially, it said it was rolling back actions. So could this mean it removed some of the things it was trying to install?

[weckart]

I've done that already but "Brightness.exe" just does not load. It just doesn't appear as a running process in Task Manager.:confused:

Are there some folks who have "Brightness.exe: working then?


You will just have to invoke the Brightness manually each time you start up from your Startup folder by double clicking on it. It is designed for XP and does not quite work yet with Vista.

The other issue you will find with the Brightness control is that the stepping in brightness intensity is quite crude. You go from too bright at the highest setting to too dim for the next setting down. Either way, a bit unsatisfactory.

Apple will possibly release updated drivers in due course.

[balahir]

You will just have to invoke the Brightness manually each time you start up from your Startup folder by double clicking on it. It is designed for XP and does not quite work yet with Vista.

The other issue you will find with the Brightness control is that the stepping in brightness intensity is quite crude. You go from too bright at the highest setting to too dim for the next setting down. Either way, a bit unsatisfactory.

Apple will possibly release updated drivers in due course.

Actually, on my iMac C2D, the brightness settings are not crude at all, but works exactly as in XP. Also, after placing brightness.exe in the startup folder, the program loaded directly at start-up and adjusted the brightness, just as in XP.

Does anybody have a clue why the scroll "wheel" on my Apple BT mouse does not work in Vista?

[mzeb]

Actually, on my iMac C2D, the brightness settings are not crude at all, but works exactly as in XP. Also, after placing brightness.exe in the startup folder, the program loaded directly at start-up and adjusted the brightness, just as in XP.

Does anybody have a clue why the scroll "wheel" on my Apple BT mouse does not work in Vista?

I'd check your mighty mouse on this one. I have the same mouse and it's been working fine, as far as up and down scrolling is concerned. The side to side scrolling is not standard mouse movement and the default driver installed for the mighty mouse can't support it. You're gonna have to wait for an Apple driver for the mighty mouse. If neither upand down nor side to side scrolling is working that's a different issue entirely. I'd check in with apple on that one and see if your mouse is still working

[tehdee]

hi all. i did a fresh install from bootcamp, using the vista rc2 build 5744 with a genuine key.

installed, etc... without a hitch. now im in windows though and desperately trying to load the drivers. i've been following these directions:

10. Insert your "Macintosh Drivers for Windows XP" CD and click start and in the search box type run and hit enter. You need to add 2 switches to the run dialogue so after you navigate to the "Install Mac Drivers.exe" click open. Then add /A /v the command. It should look something like "D:\Install Macintosh Drivers for Windows XP.exe" /A /v This will extract the drivers without running the install program which is incompatible with Vista. You should now have a Program Files and System32 folder wherever you extracted the .exe

but it doesn't seem to work. can anyone shed some light?

[balahir]

I'd check your mighty mouse on this one. I have the same mouse and it's been working fine, as far as up and down scrolling is concerned. The side to side scrolling is not standard mouse movement and the default driver installed for the mighty mouse can't support it. You're gonna have to wait for an Apple driver for the mighty mouse. If neither upand down nor side to side scrolling is working that's a different issue entirely. I'd check in with apple on that one and see if your mouse is still working

Thnaks for your help, mzeb, but I don't think it's the mouse. The scroll wheel works perfectly in OSX so I guess it's a driver issue...?

[weckart]

Actually, on my iMac C2D, the brightness settings are not crude at all, but works exactly as in XP. Also, after placing brightness.exe in the startup folder, the program loaded directly at start-up and adjusted the brightness, just as in XP.


It's probably hardware bound. I have a MBP C2D. I have seen other posts from people running the beta on the same hardware. The release of the final version did not seem to fix the bug.

Another thing I have noticed is that if I shutdown Windows by holding down the power button, it restarts as expected with the "safe" menu. However, the keyboard does not work until it has booted up, so you are left waiting until the clock has counted down and it has booted up the default setting, which is "normal".

[thefunkymunky]

You will just have to invoke the Brightness manually each time you start up from your Startup folder by double clicking on it. It is designed for XP and does not quite work yet with Vista.

The other issue you will find with the Brightness control is that the stepping in brightness intensity is quite crude. You go from too bright at the highest setting to too dim for the next setting down. Either way, a bit unsatisfactory.

Apple will possibly release updated drivers in due course.

Doesnt work for me. Even if I manually double click it after I start up, it doesnt load.

[cocacola5373]

Sixth, just a quick question, how did you solve your audio stuttering issues?

Cheers for the help in advance.

[weckart]

Doesnt work for me. Even if I manually double click it after I start up, it doesnt load.

This may or may not help. Right click on brightness.exe in your System32 folder and select Properties. Tick the box "Run as administrator". For good measure, you may want to select compatibility mode with XP as well. When you double click this now, it should come up with a dialogue box asking whether you want to proceed, which, of course, you do. You should then see the brightness icon appearing in the system tray.

No guarantees, but I think I had to do this to get this and other reluctant programs to run under Vista due to the increased security built in.

[apfhex]

This evening I installed Vista Ultimate on my Boot Camp partition. I chose to do a "clean install" - from the installer I formatted my BC partition (which was clearly labeled in a nice GUI) and then installed. The installer is much faster than XP's and doesn't require any user interaction. Basically a lot like OS X's.

There were some hiccups getting it running, and it was a pain to install supposed "Vista compatible" software like AVG and Acrobat Reader. The UAC is a big pain, but some things don't work right if you turn it off! Also, due to the new permissions stuff, some settings don't seem to sick, and Firefox can't be set as the default browser (I seem to have fixed it by launching it with Administrator Privileges once).

I used my Boot Camp driver CD (1.1.2b). The installer worked up to a point but exited with some sort of error. However, the Realtek audio drivers and Apple Keyboard support installed, which is all I really needed for my Mac Pro. Sadly, the internal speaker is still active unless I plug something into the headphone port (well, they're the same drivers as before, so no surprise really). The Realtek Sound Manager tells me there are updated Vista compatible drivers available at the website, but I don't want to mess with that since sound is working fine for now.

[sixth]

If you already have installed boot camp and vista is there a way to delete and resize the OSX partition and just have Vista as the only OS on the machine? Just curious....

[thefunkymunky]

This may or may not help. Right click on brightness.exe in your System32 folder and select Properties. Tick the box "Run as administrator". For good measure, you may want to select compatibility mode with XP as well. When you double click this now, it should come up with a dialogue box asking whether you want to proceed, which, of course, you do. You should then see the brightness icon appearing in the system tray.

No guarantees, but I think I had to do this to get this and other reluctant programs to run under Vista due to the increased security built in.

Unfortunately. That didn't work for me. No matter what I try "brightness.exe" refuses to run. grrrrr.

[killmoms]

This evening I installed Vista Ultimate on my Boot Camp partition. I chose to do a "clean install" - from the installer I formatted my BC partition (which was clearly labeled in a nice GUI) and then installed. The installer is much faster than XP's and doesn't require any user interaction. Basically a lot like OS X's.

Just as a point of interest, did you install the 64-bit version or the 32-bit one? If the former, any issues? If the latter, why not 64-bit?

[apfhex]

If the former, any issues? If the latter, why not 64-bit?
32-bit. From what I hear the 64-bit version has compatibility issues (see AnandTech: Windows Vista Performance Guide — The 64-bit factor (http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2917&p=16)). I have no reason to install it... not using Windows for anything that would benefit from 64-bit.

I don't have any driver issues with 32-bit Vista... yet. I haven't used it much. The default install included everything (everything immediately noticeable that is) except for audio drivers which I got from Boot Camp, along with the Apple Keyboard support. WinACD works too. I'm not sure about Bluetooth, I haven't tested it, I don't know if those drivers got installed. Once Apple releases a Boot Camp update for Vista compatibility things will be even better.

[sixth]

Sixth, just a quick question, how did you solve your audio stuttering issues?

Cheers for the help in advance.

I uninstalled the drivers...reinstalled and turned down the volume on the main control and turned up in the program..opretty much just played with it until i figured the perfect spot that was max volume and clear...it still crackles sometimes but no where near what it did before...hopefully apple releases a fix soon.

[cocacola5373]

Cheers for the help sixth.

I have a question for all the guys who have installed the RETAIL version of Vista. Is the RETAIL version exactly the same as the RTM .iso ones available on the P2P networks? I am willing to purchase the retail version of Vista but want to take it for a spin first. Also, regarding EFI; some members have posted that the retail version now supports EFI. Does this mean that we don't need to manually delete the EFI partion? And that the EFI partition will still be intact for firmware upgrades? What about the RTM .iso? Do they support EFI as well or only the retail versions. Can somebody please confirm this?

Cheers in adavance.

[apfhex]

Is the RETAIL version exactly the same as the RTM

Also, regarding EFI; some members have posted that the retail version now supports EFI. Does this mean that we don't need to manually delete the EFI partion?
Vista retail is build 6000. I heard that there were some updates (driver updates?) between RTM and retail, but I don't know exactly. But yeah, same build number.

IIRC, the EFI issue became irrelevant once Apple started shipping Macs with the updated firmware that allowed booting of Windows (starting with the first release of Boot Camp). Or if I'm wrong about that, then at the very least, there's hasn't been any need to fuss with EFI since at least RC1. Vista retail doesn't require any fussing with partitions.

[cocacola5373]

Thanks for the info.

When RC1 and RC2 came out originally sometime late last year, I tried installing them on my macbook pro. I had to manually delete the EFI partirion to install Vista.

I had read in these forums about some members claiming that MS threw in EFI support at the last minute and is included with the retail version. Thats why I was asking if the RTM and RETAIL versions had any differences.

Cheers!

[projectle]

Microsoft said from the beginning that x64 would have EFI support.

Whether it made it into the final product is anyones guess given the constant stream of broken promises there.

[Nicolasdec]

how dose it run i have a macbook pro core duo 2.16 GHz and 2 GB of ram?

[cocacola5373]

Microsoft said from the beginning that x64 would have EFI support.

Whether it made it into the final product is anyones guess given the constant stream of broken promises there.

Lol. I was just wondering about the 32-bit version if they had added EFI support to the retail version.

Cheers!

[tehdee]

how dose it run i have a macbook pro core duo 2.16 GHz and 2 GB of ram?

it'll run like a champ.

[balahir]

how dose it run i have a macbook pro core duo 2.16 GHz and 2 GB of ram?

it'll run like a champ.

Agree. I have the same MPB CD but with 1GB RAM. Like it or not, but no problems with the performance. On my iMac C2D it's even faster.

Another interesting observation goes for the latest version of IE (included in Vista but available as download for XP, I think). You may discuss whether the new layout and GUI is good or not, but the sucker renders and shows web pages faster than ANY other browser I have tested, on OSX or Windows. Something for other developers to have a look at.

[mzeb]

Vista retail is build 6000. I heard that there were some updates (driver updates?) between RTM and retail, but I don't know exactly. But yeah, same build number.

IIRC, the EFI issue became irrelevant once Apple started shipping Macs with the updated firmware that allowed booting of Windows (starting with the first release of Boot Camp). Or if I'm wrong about that, then at the very least, there's hasn't been any need to fuss with EFI since at least RC1. Vista retail doesn't require any fussing with partitions.

Yes, RTM is the retail version. RTM means "release to media" which is the iso we sent to our disk stampers. There are very minor differences in the english release and the non english releases but that's about it. Now as for taking it for a test drive, the nice thing about Vista is you can run for a few weeks without a key, no features disabled. Let me know what you think :-).

[mzeb]

Lol. I was just wondering about the 32-bit version if they had added EFI support to the retail version.

Cheers!

Short answer - no. Long answer - no but don't sweat it, efi can emulate an acpi supporting bios with no issues so it's not a big deal. But if you really want to screw up Windows you can play around with a program called bcdedit which is the boot setting manipulation program (no more boot.ini!). You can do some neat stuff if you take some time with it...

[cocacola5373]

Thanks for the info mzeb.

I guess the million dollar question I have been wanting to know the answer to is, do I or don't I need to manually delete the EFI partion to be able to install the RETAIL version of Vista?

Somebody please give me an answer.

Cheers for all the help!!

[Bill Gates]

Yes, RTM is the retail version. RTM means "release to media" which is the iso we sent to our disk stampers. There are very minor differences in the english release and the non english releases but that's about it. Now as for taking it for a test drive, the nice thing about Vista is you can run for a few weeks without a key, no features disabled. Let me know what you think :-).
Actually, RTM means "Release To Manufacturing."

[apfhex]

I guess the million dollar question I have been wanting to know the answer to is, do I or don't I need to manually delete the EFI partion to be able to install the RETAIL version of Vista?
I already answered in my above post, but no, you don't. :)

[Brandon Live]

There isn't any tap support yet, to get the right click you have to hold two fingers on the track pad and click the button. I'm waiting on tap support too so I know where you're coming from :-). It seems Apple hasin't implemented it yet though.

Does tap support work on XP? If so, there's probably a way to make it work on Vista.

[Sliv]

Yes, RTM is the retail version. RTM means "release to media" which is the iso we sent to our disk stampers. There are very minor differences in the english release and the non english releases but that's about it. Now as for taking it for a test drive, the nice thing about Vista is you can run for a few weeks without a key, no features disabled. Let me know what you think :-).

RTM stands for Release to manufacturing actually.
Or ready to market.

[bazzevo]

Vista on a MacBook core duo (Rev A) with 2GHz/2GB is a dream. I've been running on this machine for the past 6 months and have had good luck. (I'm one of the devs on vista if anyone is wondering.) And now I can finally post this. Here's what works and what doesn't:

1) Graphics: there is a wddm driver for the GMA 950. That means that if you have more than 512MB of RAM you get glass. It's in the Vista Box. The brightness control causes issues with UAC. It will ask for permission to launch whenever you log in.
2) Sound: The sigmatel driver included in the Vista Box works, but it takes a small registry hack. A key has to be added. Alternately if you unpack apples drivers the sigmatel driver in apple's drivers works without the hack.
3) Networking: Both wired and wireless in box.
4) Trackpad: the default trackpad driver for Vista works, but you don't get any advanced features (ie. no two finger click). You can install the apple trackpad driver and get the same functionality as in XP. There's a catch. The driver doesn't come out of sleep properly. Apple knows about this. I've been using a program called AutoHotkey in the interim.
5) Keyboard: apple keyboard support works great. No problems.
6) Bluetooth: getting this working is a bit of a trick, but it does work. Both my mighty mouse and my Motorola E815 work in Vista with apple's bluetooth support. It must be installed manually through device manager.

Hope this helps everyone. I'll be keeping an eye on mac support from the inside ;-). I am proud of Vista and it's a solid OS. The first windows OS I can work on. It's well worth dual booting. On the note of hardware, Apple still has it down. The Mac is the best Windows machine to date :-). Thanks. Post here and I'll try to keep checking back.

Have you treid any 3rd party ASIO drivers for Audio with Vista?

I have been having major issues with XP on a MacBook Pro. I get constant Digital clicks as if the digi clock is out of sync. If it works with Vista this would be great news. ANy ASIO driver i have check with XP doesn't work. The only driver that does is Apples own Sigma Audio Driver for the macs own outputs.

Checked gear: M-Audio 410, 1814, Pipline, Tested with Protools MPowered, Live, Logic Audio. None of which have audio that works correctly with ASIO drivers.

Thanks,

bazzevo

[cocacola5373]

Have you treid any 3rd party ASIO drivers for Audio with Vista?

I have been having major issues with XP on a MacBook Pro. I get constant Digital clicks as if the digi clock is out of sync. If it works with Vista this would be great news. ANy ASIO driver i have check with XP doesn't work. The only driver that does is Apples own Sigma Audio Driver for the macs own outputs.

Checked gear: M-Audio 410, 1814, Pipline, Tested with Protools MPowered, Live, Logic Audio. None of which have audio that works correctly with ASIO drivers.

Thanks,

bazzevo


When you say digital clicks, do you mean audio stuttering?

I too had this problem for the longest time and the solution was to install an updated driver for the wireless lan card. It may sound funny but give it a try. Search for updated drivers for the Atheros wireless card. This did the trick for me. I have the drivers but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post them here.

Anyways, give it a try and post your results for others.

[bazzevo]

When you say digital clicks, do you mean audio stuttering?

I too had this problem for the longest time and the solution was to install an updated driver for the wireless lan card. It may sound funny but give it a try. Search for updated drivers for the Atheros wireless card. This did the trick for me. I have the drivers but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post them here.

Anyways, give it a try and post your results for others.

Yeh stuttering. it would play for a bit then freak out for a second or two. then much the same. like the porcessor was over loading, when it isn't.


i'll try that and let you know if it works out for me too.

thanks,

[Brandon Live]

It took about 5 minutes for me to get tired of the Trackpad not working on resume. So I fixed it.

http://brandonlive.com/2007/02/04/macbook-and-vista-fixing-the-trackpad-on-resume/

[sixth]

Yeh stuttering. it would play for a bit then freak out for a second or two. then much the same. like the porcessor was over loading, when it isn't.


i'll try that and let you know if it works out for me too.

thanks,

I am still having this issue. I thought I fixed but I guess not. I am going to try the Wireless Driver update now, see if that helps.

Edit- I grabbed the D-Link DWL-652 Xtreme N driver and installed it. No go. Sound still skips, we need a Sigmatel HD Driver....one that works with MBP...any one know what else we can do to fix this issue?

[cocacola5373]

I am still having this issue. I thought I fixed but I guess not. I am going to try the Wireless Driver update now, see if that helps.

Edit- I grabbed the D-Link DWL-652 Xtreme N driver and installed it. No go. Sound still skips, we need a Sigmatel HD Driver....one that works with MBP...any one know what else we can do to fix this issue?

The D-Link ones did not work for me. I used a different one that I believe was part of the drivers cd of an IBM Thinkpad / Leonovo. Message or email me and I'll send you the installer. Just install it over the old one. No need to uninstall your old drivers. Worked like a charm for me. No stuttering at all. I wouldn't mind uploading it here so any admin please let me know if attatching is allowed here.

[bazzevo]

The D-Link ones did not work for me. I used a different one that I believe was part of the drivers cd of an IBM Thinkpad / Leonovo. Message or email me and I'll send you the installer. Just install it over the old one. No need to uninstall your old drivers. Worked like a charm for me. No stuttering at all. I wouldn't mind uploading it here so any admin please let me know if attatching is allowed here.

Which driver was it you used to get it working ok?

bazzevo

[cocacola5373]

Which driver was it you used to get it working ok?

bazzevo

Email me and I'll send you the file. The file name is "atheros ar-5008-6.0.2.75-9x2kxp"

[louden]

6) Bluetooth: getting this working is a bit of a trick, but it does work. Both my mighty mouse and my Motorola E815 work in Vista with apple's bluetooth support. It must be installed manually through device manager.



I haven't been able to get the bluetooth stack working. Vista is unable to load drivers, and whenever I try to load the drivers from the Apple driver CD, Vista comes back and says it already has the latest drivers....

I need my BT phone setup as a modem!

I have to say - Vista on the mac is sweet. I get a perf score of 4.5, and that's only limited by the hard drive.

[louden]

I've worked with Vista on a Mac Pro using boot camp and have not found it to be the easiest installation. Windows Vista has trouble being made the secondary partition on a secondary drive and will not allow you to install it from booting the DVD under certain conditions. A general workaround I found to any issues with Vista not being satisfied with the drive configuration is rather simple and also works if XP is already on the machine and it won't upgrade:

Install Windows XP (if not already on)
Start Windows XP
Open Vista installer from XP and do a custom install
Have the installer leave the partitions intact, but move the XP stuff to a folder (Windows.old)

This setup will keep your partition setup exactly the way Boot Camp likes it for XP (no removal of the EFI partition, for example) and opens up some less conventional options like installing on the second, third, or fourth drive on the Mac Pro even if Vista won't let you. Beyond that, the Mac Pro seems to run very well with Vista. Sound and graphics drivers work fine, although the sound drivers seem to take a little work to get just right. Also, it does not seem currently possible to use the Boot Camp installation of Vista with the new RC for Parallels like you can with XP (i.e. dual boot and virtualize from one install of the OS on a physical partition). It may be possible soon, as Parallels seems to get updated quickly or there may be some particular tinkering that makes it work.
Personally, after working with Vista for a little while, I think I prefer Windows XP since I only use Windows for a few games and programs from time to time and don't need an OS that uses 512MB of RAM when it idles to do that. The performance hit of going from XP to Vista is similar to going from Mac OS 9.1 to Mac OS 10.0 and Vista can be almost as buggy in parts. The best bet is to wait for a little more optimization and patches. Besides, by then Boot Camp and Parallels will have much better native support for Vista.

I'm not sure what you're doing, but the RTM of Vista installs like a champ. You need to install it on the partition you create with Bootcamp, and that's pretty easy to see during the install process.

On top of that, I'm waiting with bated breath for Parallels to support that partition in a VM.

[capoditutti]

I've got an opportunity to get Vista RC1 and have a bit of a play - if i install it and get it working well am i gonna get registration/activation hassle from MS?

[mzeb]

I've got an opportunity to get Vista RC1 and have a bit of a play - if i install it and get it working well am i gonna get registration/activation hassle from MS?

If you get it installed you will run into registration issues after 30 days. The Beta 2/RC1 keys have been shut off as the final version has been released. So you'll be able to play with it for a little while but not long.

[mzeb]

I haven't been able to get the bluetooth stack working. Vista is unable to load drivers, and whenever I try to load the drivers from the Apple driver CD, Vista comes back and says it already has the latest drivers....

I need my BT phone setup as a modem!

I have to say - Vista on the mac is sweet. I get a perf score of 4.5, and that's only limited by the hard drive.

I don't know what state you're in at the moment, but the way I managed to install the bluetooth drivers is by running the apple installer (the full thing) and then going through device manager and installing from a list of drivers if it didn't install properly during the install. Vista will not install Apple's driver automatically. You can't do the "search for an available driver" because that will not install an unsigned driver (which almost all of apple's drivers currently are). As for the perf score, damn :-). Can you give me the full breakdown of your scores? I'm curious if the MBP could break a 5 with a 7200RPM HD. (There's a little competition going on to find laptops that break a 5 :-))

[louden]

I don't know what state you're in at the moment, but the way I managed to install the bluetooth drivers is by running the apple installer (the full thing) and then going through device manager and installing from a list of drivers if it didn't install properly during the install. Vista will not install Apple's driver automatically. You can't do the "search for an available driver" because that will not install an unsigned driver (which almost all of apple's drivers currently are). As for the perf score, damn :-). Can you give me the full breakdown of your scores? I'm curious if the MBP could break a 5 with a 7200RPM HD. (There's a little competition going on to find laptops that break a 5 :-))

Hmm... Even when I point to the Apple drivers, I still can't get them installed. No matter, I don't need Bluetooth just yet. I would like it to use the laptop and a 3G phone as a BT modem. I need to wait until the end of February to run out before I can make the switch to Cingular and the Blackjack...

Perf Score = Performance Score, not Perfect Score... My MBP only has a score of 4.5 (Only! - I've only seen C2D desktops with a higher score).

My scores are:
Proc - 5.2
Ram - 4.8 (2G)
Graphics - 4.9
Gaming Graphics - 4.9
Disk - 4.5

I'm sure a faster drive might nudge it to a 4.8, but there are other limiting factors. If anything, I'd like a larger HD for bigger partitions for windows/mac

Even though these Apple device drivers aren't RTM, they're working OK. Certainly better than the craptacular Toshiba drivers I'm using on my work PC. I alway thought the ability to wake a PC up from sleeping was something Windows didn't do very well. Now I realize it's the hardware.

This thing rocks. Imagine when the quad procs come out.

[bazzevo]

Email me and I'll send you the file. The file name is "atheros ar-5008-6.0.2.75-9x2kxp"

yep that driver worked for me fine. Thanks dude. Also its a good idea to update the firewire driver too. this seamed to help a few other issues i was having with newer hardware.

[NYJetsFan]

Am I missing something, or can I just use Boot Camp and make a new partition, then buy a Vista disk and install. Is it really that easy? (aside from the drivers)
More specifically is it just like XP, where you hold down option and can boot to Mac or Win?

Thanks.
"D"

[apfhex]

Is it really that easy? (aside from the drivers)
Yes. :D It's no different than installing XP. The Option boot thing is part of the Mac's bootloader, doesn't matter what OS it is.

[wcprice]

I installed Vista on my Mac Pro. It started an automatic driver search for "unidentified hardware" -- these didn't work. Then Vista told me it had six updates to download and install. When I told it to install, it said it had downloaded, but could not install. THen, when I tried a manual download/install from the Microsoft website, the install failed because of "insufficient memory" -- I have two gigabytes of memory.

Anyone have any idea what's going on? Vista looks beautiful, but this is all pretty annoying.

Clark Price
Mac Pro 2.66, Radeon X1900 XT

[louden]

I installed Vista on my Mac Pro. It started an automatic driver search for "unidentified hardware" -- these didn't work. Then Vista told me it had six updates to download and install. When I told it to install, it said it had downloaded, but could not install. THen, when I tried a manual download/install from the Microsoft website, the install failed because of "insufficient memory" -- I have two gigabytes of memory.

Anyone have any idea what's going on? Vista looks beautiful, but this is all pretty annoying.

Clark Price
Mac Pro 2.66, Radeon X1900 XT


There are still issues with all the devices having drivers - I don't have bluetooth support working, and the trackpad isn't allowing two finger scrolling.

But I've never had an issue with updates not running.

I have had issues with apps not installing due to "insufficient memory" - for example Acrobat Reader - I'm not sure what that is and that is annoying. Instead, during the web install, I found where the underlying setup files are temporarily dropped and copied from there to somewhere else. I then manually ran the setup after the web download installation fails and deletes it's temporary files during the cleanup.

[diveart]

Hi Everyone, Great site - wish I knew about it 2 days ago.

Just got my 1st Macbook Pro - 3G RAM; 200G HD. I first started with Parallels which was really cool but couldn't get my VPN to work so I found Bootcamp. I did the install of Vista Ultimate with no problems but the drivers didn't install. Found the message to install manually did that (Keyboard, Chipset, Intel Graphics, iSight, NVIDIA, Realtek, and SigmaTel were the only ones that installed). I'm having the following problems which any help would be appreciated:

ATI drivers give an error on bootup.
No wireless internet/network (tried Add New Hardware but it didn't find anything called Airport).
Some of the folders I extracted when I tried to run - gave an error message of "Unsupported OS"

Any ideas? Should I copy the ones that didn't install to my Windows System32 folder?

Thanks

[bloodycape]

What graphic drivers are you guys with MBP using? I am using the beta vista drivers ati released and I get a 4.0 on my graphics and 4.3 for gaming graphics.

[MagicWok]

More questions... lol

Is there a way I could install Vista, using Bootcamp or otherwise, onto an external HDD via FW800? Just wondering if it is possible, so I wouldn't have to partition my internal HDD in my MBP.

Cheers!
Right on, same question.

Anyone help? :rolleyes:

[AnthonyKinyon]

Hello all. I need to know - does Vista come with working sound drivers for the Mac Mini, or can they be obtained on Windows Update after installation? I had trouble getting the Apple supplied ones to work on beta 2, RC1 and RC2 (in fact, never did get it working on those). If the sound does work with Vista on an Intel Mac mini, I would love to know and know how :) - thanks in advance.

[conshok26]

I have vista on my MBP. there's two things that are giving me problems on it. one is that after vista is running for some time and some heat gets built up it can just crash and then restart. the other problem i have is that the screen saver never goes on. I had it installed on my mini and i didn't have either of those issues. just wondering if anyone is having the experience.

[AnthonyKinyon]

Mac Mini works great with Vista - including sound. Have to install both RealTek and SigmaTel drivers from BootCamp first. :)

[cherfizzle]

what about home premium?
everyone said they installed Ultimate.

any version work on imac?????

[elenchos]

what about home premium?
everyone said they installed Ultimate.

any version work on imac?????


I'm having a problem with Vista Home Premium 64bit on my 20in iMac. I can't seem to get the sound card drivers to work correctly. They install as HD compatible audio, but they don't seem to produce any sound. Anyone have any ideas?

[ipoddin]

What's the recommended boot camp partition size for Vista? My current BC partition for XP is about 32gb and with what I use XP for, there's about 18gb free space now.

Should I be concerned with that much space or should I just wipe out the BC partition, start over with a bigger partition and then upgrade to Vista? Ideally I'd prefer to use my external firewire 800 1tb drive since I have gobs of space there.

Last question, if I end up deleting the current BC partition, is it just a matter of dragging the partition to the trash to reclaim that space?

[apfhex]

What's the recommended boot camp partition size for Vista? My current BC partition for XP is about 32gb and with what I use XP for, there's about 18gb free space now.

Last question, if I end up deleting the current BC partition, is it just a matter of dragging the partition to the trash to reclaim that space?
No, the partition isn't a "file" that you can just delete. You must use the Boot Camp Assistant to non-destructively remove the partition.

I created a 32GB partition for XP and now with Vista on it, with very little extra installed (just a couple GB of things), it's taking up half of that, about 15GB. So 32GB is more then enough if you're not creating any huge files, copying your music library over, etc. Vista's "Shadow Copy" (Time Machine) feature takes up a lot of space over time. It says it will only use up to 15% though. It's possible to turn it off (but they sure do hide the option deep down!).

[ipoddin]

No, the partition isn't a "file" that you can just delete. You must use the Boot Camp Assistant to non-destructively remove the partition.

I created a 32GB partition for XP and now with Vista on it, with very little extra installed (just a couple GB of things), it's taking up half of that, about 15GB. So 32GB is more then enough if you're not creating any huge files, copying your music library over, etc. Vista's "Shadow Copy" (Time Machine) feature takes up a lot of space over time. It says it will only use up to 15% though. It's possible to turn it off (but they sure do hide the option deep down!).

Yeah, remembered Boot Camp Assistant and looked at that. But I think I'm going to stick with existing partition. I don't plan on copying over my music and photo libraries so I should be good to go. If not, then I'll start all over with fresh partition.

[grokit]

I also just put Vista on my MacBook Pro using bootcamp.

I found three articles to be very useful:

1) Vista Boot Camp Installation Guide (very thorough -- missing manual almost)
http://www.geocities.com/nja469/

2) DifferentThings blog - another install story:
http://differentthings.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/installing-bluetooth-on-a-macbook-pro-running-windows-vista-rtm/

3) DifferentThings blog - Final two bootcamp drivers for Vista
http://differentthings.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/final-two-boot-camp-drivers-for-vista/

Here's the key:

- the initial install goes very smoothly if you just follow the directions
- the first think you should do after installing, is install keyboard remapping software, available here: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=34515
- do not install the mac keyboard driver at all, as it conflicts with the keyboard mapper
- then install other drivers one by one from the bootcamp driver disk, as described in the above articles

Using this approach went very smoothly and I now have iSight, Wifi, Bluetooth, and all function keys working.

Now if I can just get my pesky external firedrive to work... ;)

[drjay128]

I also just put Vista on my MacBook Pro using bootcamp.

I found three articles to be very useful:

1) Vista Boot Camp Installation Guide (very thorough -- missing manual almost)
http://www.geocities.com/nja469/

2) DifferentThings blog - another install story:
http://differentthings.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/installing-bluetooth-on-a-macbook-pro-running-windows-vista-rtm/

3) DifferentThings blog - Final two bootcamp drivers for Vista
http://differentthings.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/final-two-boot-camp-drivers-for-vista/

Here's the key:

- the initial install goes very smoothly if you just follow the directions
- the first think you should do after installing, is install keyboard remapping software, available here: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=34515
- do not install the mac keyboard driver at all, as it conflicts with the keyboard mapper
- then install other drivers one by one from the bootcamp driver disk, as described in the above articles

Using this approach went very smoothly and I now have iSight, Wifi, Bluetooth, and all function keys working.

Now if I can just get my pesky external firedrive to work... ;)


Hi,
Thanks, this looks great. Would you expect these to work with an iMac C2D?

[Over Achiever]

Hmm, I had to reinstall Vista on my Macbook (had some issues with restart I couldn't resolve) and the second time around, it doesn't recognize my iSight in the device manager (no imaging device subsection). I do have an unknown device in my device manager, and the device is located at hub #4, port #5. Is this my iSight? I don't want to install an iSight driver on something that isn't the iSight.

Also, I've narrowed down my restart issue (when restarting, it hangs after the mac chime) to either a vista update, atheros driver update, or my Symantec Antivirus (free copy at the University). Does any of the three sound like they might cause the reboot to hang?

[louden]

I followed those instuctions and have iSight and Bluetooth working.

I was able to use by phone as a modem, and use video over IM!

Works great! I said it before and I'll say it again, this hardware is awesome for Vista!

[MetalFace]

how is gaming hope its puuuuuurfect.

just need to get me a copy of vista legaly of course :cool: but whats the best to opt for i only realy will want to use it for the odd game of counter-strike and maybe final fantasy 11 and anything decent that has a few guns that isnt on mac or console and web browsing tbh.

i got 24inch imac as seen below will it do the job on vista that i want is it worth getting the extreme version?

anyone got any vids of it running or pics

[peidon]

Louden,

Did you have to do anything extra to get bluetooth working? I have a C2D MBP and I followed the instructions above. After I updated the driver to "BthKicker" it kept asking for Drivers again.

thanks

[Over Achiever]

Bthkicker is just the first step in installing bluetooth, it creates a new device. When the new device asks for drivers, manually install the apple bluetooth driver (located in the AppleBT folder) for that device.

[louden]

Louden,

Did you have to do anything extra to get bluetooth working? I have a C2D MBP and I followed the instructions above. After I updated the driver to "BthKicker" it kept asking for Drivers again.

thanks

Yep by manual install - you first select
"Browse My Computer for driver software"
and then
"Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer"
and then
"Have Disk"

The instructions above at this link helped for BT:
http://differentthings.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/installing-bluetooth-on-a-macbook-pro-running-windows-vista-rtm/

[peidon]

Thanks all!
Bluetooth is working. I now have Apple keyboard and mighty mouse working! So nice to have right-click again.

For Isight, everything seem to installed correctly, but when I launch Yahoo messenger to test, the program crashes. What program(s) are you all using with the Isight in Vista?

[Frippe]

I am using a MacPro with the Radeon x1900 graphics card. I am having a hard time getting it to work with Vista. Vista installs without any problems, only problem is that the installer runs in 640x480 4bit colours.

It seems that I cant get Vista to work with my x1900 and device manager says that their is a "code 12" problem with it. If I disable the PCI-E 16x lane slot in device manager I can get my resolution up to 1280x1024 and more colours. But it aint hardware accelerated.

I have checked around on the internet and some people say that I need more than 1gb of RAM to make it work. Is this true or is there any way to get x1900 work in Vista with 1Gb of RAM?

[killmoms]

I am using a MacPro with the Radeon x1900 graphics card. I am having a hard time getting it to work with Vista. Vista installs without any problems, only problem is that the installer runs in 640x480 4bit colours.

It seems that I cant get Vista to work with my x1900 and device manager says that their is a "code 12" problem with it. If I disable the PCI-E 16x lane slot in device manager I can get my resolution up to 1280x1024 and more colours. But it aint hardware accelerated.

I have checked around on the internet and some people say that I need more than 1gb of RAM to make it work. Is this true or is there any way to get x1900 work in Vista with 1Gb of RAM?
...Have you installed the WDM Catalyst drivers from ATI in Vista? If not, that's you're problem. Get them, install them, it'll work fine—did for me.

[MetalFace]

i got vista ultimate installed perfectly trying to sort out bluetooth and isight in a min...

can u get the apple remote working with windows media center?

oh and frontrow pisses all over it lol :p

[Frippe]

Killmoms,

I went into ATI webpage and installed the drivers for x1900 32 bit Vista drivers. But it still says "code 12" errors on my x1900. Do you have more than 1gb RAM on your MacPro with x1900?

Maybe it isnt the right drivers I downloaded and installed. Maybe you can supply me with the download links for the download.

When I am checking in "device manager" in vista it runs the display from something called "VGASave". Also when checking properties for that device it says it has conflict with "Intel 5000X Chipset PCI Express x16 port 4-7 - 25FA". I have updated the drivers for this device from intels website. But this aint solving the problem. Only way to get more colours and resolution is to disable this device.

I also tried installing these WDM drivers, but I only get error message "try setup your display adapter with a standard VGA driver before running setup".

GOD I hate windows :)

[papa san]

This guy has right ?

http://www.worldwidehints.com/Boot+Camp+users+reporting+serious+crashes.html

or the problem are solved and vista run well on mac ?

[Veritas&Equitas]

can u get the apple remote working with windows media center?

oh and frontrow pisses all over it lol :p
Couldn't disagree more. Media Center OWNS Frontrow. In every single way imaginable. You can do so many more things with Media Center it's sick, Frontrow is strictly a highly stylized iTunes widget. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple and my Mac just as much as the next Mac user, but Media Center is one thing that Microsoft developed much better than Apple developed Frontrow. They're not even in the same league.