iPhone Receives FCC Approval

[MacRumors]

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FCC Documents (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=268052&fcc_id='BCGA1203') indicate that Apple has received FCC approval for the iPhone.

Apple submitted the documents to the FCC on March 8th. Approval was granted today, May 17.

[notsofatjames]

i didnt think there would have been much chance that it wouldnt have got approval. Apple must have been designing this for years. Maybe someone technically minded can divulge some extra information out of the information revealed here though...

[TheSlush]

Nice... as if there was any doubt!

[Clive At Five]

Apple must have been designing this for years. Maybe someone technically minded can divule some extra information out of the information revealed here though...

This has little to nothing to do with the OS development or form... just that the radio devices meet certain standards and whatnot.

Yes, it's an important benchmark but it doesn't really boast Apple's brilliance or anything.

-Clive

(500th post! Avatars, here I come!)

[milhous]

On the road to launch!

Rock on Apple!

[LxTxNx]

wooo hooo I wonder how long it will take apple.com to update the FCC disclaimer in small print on the iphone page.

[QuarterSwede]

The FCC approval, Serial and IMEI # will be laser etched (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=766955&native_or_pdf=pdf) onto the back of the iPhone.

[notsofatjames]

The FCC approval will be laser etched (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=766955&native_or_pdf=pdf) onto the back of the iPhone.

maybe this means we can have custom engraved messages like iPods, or it opens it up to be laser-engraved by the network (here in uk, all networks seem to brand their phones, dont know what its like over your side of the atlantic)

[MacbookSwitcher]

The approval is dated "02/06/07", so it looks like it happened more than 3 months ago..

[oclor]

Jobs said the reason it would be released in June was because the FCC approval takes a while. Doesn't this show that it was approved 2 months ago?

[p0intblank]

Woooo! This is nothing but excellent news. :D

But who in the world voted this as negative? I don't get people sometimes... but yeah, kudos to Apple! Almost there!

[Squonk]

That is one step closer to an iPhone in my hands!!! Yeah!!!

[LxTxNx]

I've never seen an IMEI thats alphanumeric meaning both letters and numbers. It's always 15 numbers


if you dont believe me dial *#06# on your GSM-Phone keypad your IMEI will display

[Chaszmyr]

The approval is dated "02/06/07", so it looks like it happened more than 3 months ago..

I don't know where you're seeing that... The documents on the website say they hadn't been submitted yet by that date.

[WildCowboy]

The documents indicate that Apple submitted them to the FCC on March 9th. After evaluation by the FCC, authorization was granted today.

From the approval letter...notice the right side:

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[Digital Skunk]

--YAWN!--

Wake me up when it's on Sprint's network in 5 or so years. (-_-)

I will be very happy with my soon to be Palm 755p and 2GB micro SD cards. I ain't paying $1200 to switch to a reasonably better company just to get a kick arse phone... I will pay half that and keep my reasonably good company and upgrade to a reasonably kick arse phone.

By the way... Apple's iPhone division... you suck! :mad:

[yetanotherdave]

The approval is dated "02/06/07", so it looks like it happened more than 3 months ago..

Or next month, depending on which way you stand on your head.

I wish we could all use a standard date format, or an unambiguous one like 17-MAY-2007

[Peace]

Looks like the user manual was submitted May 11th and is under short-term confidential until July 1st.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Sum&calledFromFrame=N&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=378848&fcc_id='BC GA1203'

[notsofatjames]

Or next month, depending on which way you stand on your head.

I wish we could all use a standard date format, or an unambiguous one like 17-MAY-2007

by chance are you from UK? Dates here are backwards when compared to US eg. 12/4/2007 =4/12/2007 = :confused:
Im all for 17-MAY

[Digital Skunk]

by chance are you from UK? Dates here are backwards when compared to US eg. 12/4/2007 =4/12/2007 = :confused:
Im all for 17-MAY

I am partial towards May 17th. I just think it works better when you know what month it is first, then the day. Call me a good ole American cowboy.

[SpaceMagic]

Have you read the Confidentiality letter ? Tis funny :) Apple trying to cover their backs.

[SeanMcg]

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FCC Documents (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=268052&fcc_id='BCGA1203') indicate that Apple has received FCC approval for the iPhone.
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The letters for approval are dated March 8th, 2007, and first appeared on the FCC site today.

[URL="http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm"] Go Here (http://#" onClick="jkpopimage('http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/05/17/fcciphone.gif', 531, 433, ''); return false) for some more documents from the FCC Site. When you get there, enter BCG for the Grantee Code and A1203 for the Product Code. Sorry about that.

After reading some of them, it looks like Apple requested that some of the specifications be kept confidential for 45 days. I guess that's one of the reasons we are only seeing this now. Also, the docs I referenced point to a grant date of 5/17/2007 (in the US standard of MM/DD/YYYY). I don't understand all the testing that was done, but it sure looks like there was a lot of it. Have fun reading.

[SeanMcg]

Have you read the Confidentiality letter ? Tis funny :) Apple trying to cover their backs.

I'm sure that's common language for any new device. After all, it's not like they are keeping anything from the FCC with that request.

[notsofatjames]

I am partial towards May 17th. I just think it works better when you know what month it is first, then the day. Call me a good ole American cowboy.
either way, but using a word instead of number will keep my happy!

I wish i could even try to understand the documents in the disclosure...i feel so dull...

[LxTxNx]

Here (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearchResult.cfm?RequestTimeout=500) are some more documents from the FCC Site.

After reading some of them, it looks like Apple requested that some of the specifications be kept confidential for 45 days. I guess that's one of the reasons we are only seeing this now. Also, the docs I referenced point to a grant date of 5/17/2007 (in the US standard of MM/DD/YYYY). I don't understand all the testing that was done, but it sure looks like there was a lot of it. Have fun reading.

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this is what I get when I click...


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[Peterwdmd]

According to the FCC documents, the iPhone puts out a relatively low amount of radiation compared to other phones. It is in the range of 0.3 to 0.6 W/kg in most of their measurements. As a comparison, my Motorola SLVR is something like 1.2 W/kg. The FCC allows a maximum of 2.0 W/kg. I'm always curious to know how much radiation my phone is putting out. Anyway... this is good news.

[notsofatjames]

According to the FCC documents, the iPhone puts out a relatively low amount of radiation compared to other phones. It is in the range of 0.3 to 0.6 W/kg in most of their measurements. As a comparison, my Motorola SLVR is something like 1.2 W/kg. The FCC allows a maximum of 2.0 W/kg. I'm always curious to know how much radiation my phone is putting out. Anyway... this is good news.

does this mean that its not only sexier, but better for you than the SLVR?!?! Im definately going to be getting one now!

[MacbookSwitcher]

I don't know where you're seeing that... The documents on the website say they hadn't been submitted yet by that date.

Check out the following:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/05/17/news_flash_apple_iphone_receives_fcc_approval.html

The "Date of Report" says 02/06/07

[LxTxNx]

According to the FCC documents, the iPhone puts out a relatively low amount of radiation compared to other phones. It is in the range of 0.3 to 0.6 W/kg in most of their measurements. As a comparison, my Motorola SLVR is something like 1.2 W/kg. The FCC allows a maximum of 2.0 W/kg. I'm always curious to know how much radiation my phone is putting out. Anyway... this is good news.

Sounds good man!

My Treo is put away because it puts out a lot of radiation.

[SeanMcg]

BAD LINK


...

Damn frames and search engines. Inserted instructions on how to find it back in the original post. Sorry for the mix-up

[yetanotherdave]

by chance are you from UK? Dates here are backwards when compared to US eg. 12/4/2007 =4/12/2007 = :confused:
Im all for 17-MAY

Yup, from the UK, whenever I see the American format, unless it's late in the month (ie the day is higher than the 12th) it really confuses.
When I started using OpenVMS and found an OS that uses the date system 08-APR-2007 I was happy :)

[MacbookSwitcher]

Yup, from the UK, whenever I see the American format, unless it's late in the month (ie the day is higher than the 12th) it really confuses.
When I started using OpenVMS and found an OS that uses the date system 08-APR-2007 I was happy :)

Regardless, the documents show the iPhone received some kind of FCC approval on February 6, 2007

[Teddy's]

Ohh now enjoy the waiting.

Not me though, I am not planning to get it (so far) but I am happy for Apple.

Me, i am enjoying this period, until msfanboys discover flaws in it or if they don't, they will say - its so "smug" that it comes from hell.

Enjoy.

[bdj21ya]

Sounds good man!

My Treo is put away because it puts out a lot of radiation.

I dunno man. I'd much rather have a stronger signal than worry about low levels of radiation. I'm not convinced that there is enough info to make a decision on how much radiation is ok at these low levels. I'm sure in 5 or 10 years we'll have quite a bit more reliable an idea about how much to worry about.

[psychofreak]

I dunno man. I'd much rather have a stronger signal than worry about low levels of radiation. I'm not convinced that there is enough info to make a decision on how much radiation is ok at these low levels. I'm sure in 5 or 10 years we'll have quite a bit more reliable an idea about how much to worry about.

That's what they said 5 years ago...

[soosy]

Well then why wasn't it released on March 9th????? :P

[RichP]

Is that radiation rating in watts per kilogram (am I reading it right?) It would make sense that heavier phones (treo, iphone, etc) are going to be much lower than the SLVR, which is a very light phone.

Suprised the phone just doesnt have an overall rating.

[skwoytek]

Regardless, the documents show the iPhone received some kind of FCC approval on February 6, 2007

It appears February 6, 2007 was the assessment by Cetecom, the testing facility. No where does it say FCC approval - unless I'm missing something. After the testing facility does their work and forwards results, the FCC still needs to review the tests and methods and grant final approval - 5/17/2007.

It does take several months.


AppleInsider wrote "In an SAR Test Report conducted on February 6th, 2006, FCC Test Lab Manager Lothar Schmidt wrote the following:"

Appleinsider is wrong.

Lothar Schmidt works for Cetecom (www.cetecom.com/pdf/CETECOM-ICT_TCB-Services_October-2004.pdf) not the FCC. Cetecom is a company approved to test products on behalf of the FCC not grant approval.

[iMikeT]

This is no surprise.

But congratulations :apple: for having produce yet another product that emits levels of radiation that the FCC deems low enough not to cause interference to other devices that may make a difference between life or death, yada yada yada...

[mrowl]

is there any indication of what wifi speed it will have in the documents?


And people, read the documents! It was granted approval just today!

[WestonHarvey1]

Woooo! This is nothing but excellent news. :D

But who in the world voted this as negative? I don't get people sometimes... but yeah, kudos to Apple! Almost there!

Probably all the people on here that hate the iPhone because it is taking away from IIgs development.

[Peterwdmd]

The units are Watts/kilogram. That is the amount of Watts absorbed per kilogram of body tissue. The size or weight of the phone doesn't have anything to do with the measurement.

Someone else mentioned that they'd rather have a better signal than a low SAR. The SAR level doesn't really correlate with signal level, it's just how much radiation is being absorbed by the body immediately adjacent to where you're holding the phone. It has more to do with placement of the internal antenna and the design of the phone.

[guzhogi]

I'm glad that the iPhone got FCC approval. Only thing is, what does that mean? That it plays nicely w/ other wireless carriers? I know, stupid question, but not all of us are experts on FCC guidelines.

[Lepton]

Something I've thought about since the beginning. See that black area at the bottom in the back? So the back isn't a solic part. Maybe that's where you open the thing up to put in the SIM card and REPLACE THE BATTERY...?

[mrowl]

Something I've thought about since the beginning. See that black area at the bottom in the back? So the back isn't a solic part. Maybe that's where you open the thing up to put in the SIM card and REPLACE THE BATTERY...?

I think the general consensus is that where the antennas are located. Better signal through the plastic...

[Bakey]

... No doubt this has already been raised!!!

But why the FLIP has this news item received negative votes!!!???!!! :confused:

[Peace]

... No doubt this has already been raised!!!

But why the FLIP has this news item received negative votes!!!???!!! :confused:

There are folks that don't use Cingular...uhh...AT&T

[EagerDragon]

According to the FCC documents, the iPhone puts out a relatively low amount of radiation compared to other phones. It is in the range of 0.3 to 0.6 W/kg in most of their measurements. As a comparison, my Motorola SLVR is something like 1.2 W/kg. The FCC allows a maximum of 2.0 W/kg. I'm always curious to know how much radiation my phone is putting out. Anyway... this is good news.

Does this have an effect on the signal from phone to tower or is this only referring to radiation that would affect a user?

[anti-microsoft]

A little more than two weeks till the WWDC!! I guess Apple will anounce new iPhone features like: 3rd party developing, a new app (or several new apps),
802.11n wireless networking, etc.








P.S. I don't think I'm the only one wanting to see the "Top Secret" features of Leopard!!

[jamesnajera]

According to part one page 29 they test for GSM and GPRS radio of 850/1900. Does the iPhone A1203 only support two bands? Does anyone know or have a linkt to the GSM Bands the iPhone supports, I always assumed it was going to be quadband, now it looks like it might not. If this is the case, bad move Apple, really bad move.

[EagerDragon]

It appears February 6, 2007 was the assessment by Cetecom, the testing facility. No where does it say FCC approval - unless I'm missing something. After the testing facility does their work and forwards results, the FCC still needs to review the tests and methods and grant final approval - 5/17/2007.

It does take several months.



Very slow readers then, maybe they get payed by the hour.

I would think they have a program where they just enter all the numbers from the tester that gives them some output for a final decision.

Weird it takes 3 months to make a decision specialy if the numbers are well within the allowed ranges.

[bdj21ya]

The units are Watts/kilogram. That is the amount of Watts absorbed per kilogram of body tissue. The size or weight of the phone doesn't have anything to do with the measurement.

Someone else mentioned that they'd rather have a better signal than a low SAR. The SAR level doesn't really correlate with signal level, it's just how much radiation is being absorbed by the body immediately adjacent to where you're holding the phone. It has more to do with placement of the internal antenna and the design of the phone.

Still though, ceteris paribus, stronger signal = more radiation. Some phones are designed to use less power/emit less radiation, but care nothing for signal strength. Others are designed for better signal strength by boosting the power use of the antenna, which results in shorter battery life and more radiation emission.

[WildCowboy]

Very slow readers then, maybe they get payed by the hour.

I would think they have a program where they just enter all the numbers from the tester that gives them some output for a final decision.

Weird it takes 3 months to make a decision specialy if the numbers are well within the allowed ranges.

2 months or so...the testing facility conducted their tests in early February. Apple put the whole application package together and submitted it to the FCC in early March. Frankly, I'm surprised it got through the bureaucratic red tape so quickly.

[EagerDragon]

... No doubt this has already been raised!!!

But why the FLIP has this news item received negative votes!!!???!!! :confused:

Maybe because some people do not care? I think a "I don't care" voting link may get of the negatives. This maybe the cause, but it is just a guess on my part.

[Mydel]

According to part one page 29 they test for GSM and GPRS radio of 850/1900. Does the iPhone A1203 only support two bands? Does anyone know or have a linkt to the GSM Bands the iPhone supports, I always assumed it was going to be quadband, now it looks like it might not. If this is the case, bad move Apple, really bad move.

No I think its quad band but its not to FCC to approve or disapprove frequencies not use in US.

[Aperture]

Reading the emails from Apple & the FCC, it looks like for whatever reason Apple specifically requested the approval be made public on May 17th, as close to noon as possible. Also, the FCC is requesting Apple provide a user manual available to the public, or so I gather from this email..



To: Robert Steinfeld, Apple Inc.
steinfe1@apple.com
From: Steven Dayhoff
Steven.Dayhoff@fcc.gov
FCC Equipment Authorization Branch
Applicant: Apple Computer Inc
FCC ID: BCGA1203
Correspondence Reference Number: 32892
731 Confirmation Number: EA378848
Date of Original E-Mail: 4/13/2007
Subject: Info Request
The User Manual exhibit is password protected and cannot be viewed. Please submit viewable User Manual exhibit.

[Sean7512]

No I think its quad band but its not to FCC to approve or disapprove frequencies not use in US.

Correct, it is quad band. Steve even said it in his presentation :) The FCC is not responsibly for testing bands that are non-existent in the US. I'm sure they don't fly over to Europe to test those bands :p

[LxTxNx]

according to http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html it's a QUAD Band phone.


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/LxTxNx2/iPhoneSpecs.jpg

[Lepton]

According to part one page 29 they test for GSM and GPRS radio of 850/1900. Does the iPhone A1203 only support two bands? Does anyone know or have a linkt to the GSM Bands the iPhone supports, I always assumed it was going to be quadband, now it looks like it might not. If this is the case, bad move Apple, really bad move.

If it's only two bands that's news, since the Apple site itself says quad band. Maybe it is quad band but they only did FCC tests on the two bands that will be used in the USA, the FCC's jurisdiction.

[justflie]

Maybe the password to the manual is 'backrow.' :p

[ShiggyMiyamoto]

Frickin' awesome! I'm really considering getting one of these babies before I get my MacBook Pro. ^_^ I hope to find a job between now and June... Wish me luck.

[anirban]

Shoot... there goes the WWDC now..... It will probably be entirely focused on the iPhone and maybe just a couple of minutes spared to Leopard and other macs.....


(I really hope that I am wrong, as I am waiting for some new MBP on WWDC)

[psychofreak]

Shoot... there goes the WWDC now..... It will probably be entirely focused on the iPhone and maybe just a couple of minutes spared to Leopard and other macs.....


(I really hope that I am wrong, as I am waiting for some new MBP on WWDC)

Steve has to show off Leopard's new features :)

And a lot of the hardware (iPods, displays, MBPs etc) are due for a refresh...

[freedevil]

I hope cingular gives you the unlock code to the iphone assuming it has one. Lets see how it goes or else quad band will be useless.

[ariel]

Did they test it to see if it stops pacemakers like that silly 17 year old did with the ipod story? Boy was that lame.

[LxTxNx]

I hope cingular gives you the unlock code to the iphone assuming it has one. Lets see how it goes or else quad band will be useless.

It will be useful if you travel outside the country to Europe, Asia, etc... Cingular has International Roaming packages where if you travel outside the country your able to use your QUAD band phone at a discounted rate depending on what country you travel to. The International Roaming package is $5.99 a month and per min rate depends on what country you’re roaming on.

[johnzoidberg]

Here is a fairly recent list of SAR levels in mobile phones today:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6602_7-5020355-1.html

[3CCD]

Well the FCC approval is that much closer to a released product.

[aswitcher]

I guess this means they could release it to anyone right now - so I wait to see Celebrities getting their advanced units to generate even more buzz.

[sam10685]

Why would it have not been approved?

[LxTxNx]

I guess this means they could release it to anyone right now - so I wait to see Celebrities getting their advanced units to generate even more buzz.

Yeap... I guess this is how Dr J. Patrick O'Brien got one.



http://www.macrumors.com/2007/05/13/first-iphone-in-the-wild-west-texas-aandm/

[twoodcc]

good news! so why isn't it for sale tomorrow?

[BWhaler]

I just hope the radiation levels are really low and don't shoot up the ear phones when attached.

It will be one of those things everyone will attack Apple for--just like the CPU usage when iTunes first came out. Sure, it's a total double standard, but I don't care since this is a safety issue, and I hope Apple took it seriously.

I do worry about the quality of Apple of late. (I think mostly it is the Chinese manufacturers cutting costs.) But for the iPhone, I think it is so important to Apple that the first gen will be high quality.

Fingers crossed...

[bbyrdhouse]

Of course we all knew that this would happen. It would have been a real mess had they not gotten approval.

[LxTxNx]

good news! so why isn't it for sale tomorrow?
I know right?

[arn]

Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris acknowledged the news: "The iPhone has passed its required FCC certification milestone and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned"

[strangelogic]

Also, the FCC is requesting Apple provide a user manual available to the public, or so I gather from this email..

No - they were just saying 'we can't approve this if you won't let us read the User Manual! Send us another one without a password you dopes!' - thus new PDF's were submitted on 5/11/07 and they will not be available to the public until 7/1/2007...

Now what is this''late june" nonsense from Apple! That''s why the 'negative' votes -- Supposed to be Mid-June... right after Steve stops talking... or at least that friday...

Though hopefully they will be busy with new hardware updates across the line including a new iPod ...

[freedevil]

It will be useful if you travel outside the country to Europe, Asia, etc... Cingular has International Roaming packages where if you travel outside the country your able to use your QUAD band phone at a discounted rate depending on what country you travel to. The International Roaming package is $5.99 a month and per min rate depends on what country you’re roaming on.

Most people don't like to pay exbortitant roaming fees. International sims are cheaper and many swear by them.

[dakis]

I just hope the radiation levels are really low and don't shoot up the ear phones when attached.



Well, there's no need for "hoping" - the SAR values are exactly what the FCC just tested. The iPhone has a max value of 0.97 W/kg. That's rather on the high side - my current Blackberry 7290 is somehwere down at 0.3 max - meaning the iphone puts 3x more radiation into my head than my current hand set.
Given the slim form-factor of the phone, however, the 0.97 isn't that high when compared to models by other makers. The new Blackberry Curve is at 1.5, for example (1.6 being the max the FCC allows).
I personally wouldn't use the phone without a headset (bluetooth or wired) - while high SAR values are generally ignored in the US, 0.97 may actually seem very high for European standards. While it's pretty unlikely that the radiation actually causes any damage (the first of the long-term studies initiated by the WHO doesn't indicate any kind of damage), I still think it's better safe than sorry here.

The FCC also tested what happens when you listen to music through a headset while downloading stuff over (E)GPRS and found that radiation is transmitted through the headset but levels are significantly lower.
Just go ahead and actually read the results in the document - it's all in there.

[Rot'nApple]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

FCC Documents (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=268052&fcc_id='BCGA1203') indicate that Apple has received FCC approval for the iPhone.
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Apple submitted the documents to the FCC on March 8th. Approval was granted today, May 17.


Apple's website needs updating?!

This disclaimer...

"This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."

found on the bottom of all Apple's iPhone web pages starting with [url]www.apple.com/iphone/ (http://#" onClick="jkpopimage('http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/05/17/fcciphone.gif', 531, 433, ''); return false), wonder when it will be changed or is more approval needed?;)

Self Edit - Disregard my post, someone beat me to it and on Page 1 of comments of all places. That's what I get for not reading posts... My apologies to all.

[Rot'nApple]

Did they test it to see if it stops pacemakers like that silly 17 year old did with the ipod story? Boy was that lame.

It wouldn't be lame if you were the one alive due to the pacemaker, that is if this silly 17 year old tests are accurate and indeed iPods stop pacemakers.:rolleyes:


How may iPods out there, since the year 2001???:eek:
Like a long tail cat in a room filled with rocking chairs!!!:eek: :eek:

Chances would be better if Pacemakers were only affected by Zunes, then one might have a chance!:D

[Evangelion]

--YAWN!--

Wake me up when it's on Sprint's network in 5 or so years. (-_-)

Isn't Sprint a CDMA-service? In that case, it's not gonna happen. iPhone is GSM, and for a good reason: GSM is the most popular cell-phone tech in the world, and by a wide margin.

By the way... Apple's iPhone division... you suck! :mad:

No, it's Sprint that sucks. They are using a technology that should have been killed off years ago. GSM is the de facto standard.

[imacdaddy]

GSM is the most popular cell-phone tech in the world, and by a wide margin.

GSM is old technology. Although it represents 82.4% of all global mobile connections, the current global rollout is 3G (UMTS/WCDMA/EDGE). WCDMA take-up is faster than GSM was at the same stage of its introduction in 1991. If the US wasn't so behind in technology (any technology), the iPhone would have had UMTS. Like you said, that's why they're releasing a GSM only version now and 3G version in 2008 for Asia.

No, it's Sprint that sucks. They are using a technology that should have been killed off years ago. GSM is the de facto standard.

You've got it backwards! Again, GSM is OLD technology. They should have killed off GSM years ago.

[Evangelion]

GSM is old technology. Although it represents 82.4% of all global mobile connections, the current global rollout is 3G (UMTS/WCDMA/EDGE).

Well, yes, but 3G is the successor of GSM. When I talked of GMS, I was including 3G in it, since 3G is the "next generation" GSM.

You've got it backwards! Again, GSM is OLD technology. They should have killed off GSM years ago.

When I talked of GSM, I was talking about GSM and it successor (WCDMA). CDMA is a whole different ballgame. And GSM is being replaced as we speak by 3G. And if we talk of CDMA and GSM (which we were talking about), it's CDMA that should be killed off. It's used in handful of places. If you want true interoperability, GMS and it's successors is the way to go.

[janey]

If the US wasn't so behind in technology (any technology), the iPhone would have had UMTS. Like you said, that's why they're releasing a GSM only version now and 3G version in 2008 for Asia.
Excuse you. Cingular has an UMTS/HSDPA 3g network that covers most metropolitan areas and more. Apple's the one that didn't include it with the iPhone. But pretty much the majority of Cingular smartphones come with 3g.

edit: the above is mostly the reason why so many people are infuriated with lack of 3g in the iPhone...it exists, a LOT of phones support it (for one, the blackjack, for which I have seen too many ads...), Cingular already has a network that's growing constantly. Why the &*#$ apple didn't think it shoulda gone in the first rev iPhone is beyond me.

[Ghibli]

wooo hooo I wonder how long it will take apple.com to update the FCC disclaimer in small print on the iphone page.

It seems they removed it.

I cannot wait until end of 2007 to see it in Italy....

[imacdaddy]

Well, yes, but 3G is the successor of GSM. When I talked of GMS, I was including 3G in it, since 3G is the "next generation" GSM. When I talked of GSM, I was talking about GSM and it successor (WCDMA). CDMA is a whole different ballgame. And GSM is being replaced as we speak by 3G. And if we talk of CDMA and GSM (which we were talking about), it's CDMA that should be killed off. It's used in handful of places. If you want true interoperability, GMS and it's successors is the way to go. Oh...now I understand what you're saying. :)



Excuse you. Cingular has an UMTS/HSDPA 3g network that covers most metropolitan areas and more. Apple's the one that didn't include it with the iPhone. But pretty much the majority of Cingular smartphones come with 3g. You're right, it's an oversight by me. My apologies. :)


edit: the above is mostly the reason why so many people are infuriated with lack of 3g in the iPhone...it exists, a LOT of phones support it (for one, the blackjack, for which I have seen too many ads...), Cingular already has a network that's growing constantly. Why the &*#$ apple didn't think it shoulda gone in the first rev iPhone is beyond me. I totally agree! I scratch my head each time I read the iPhone specs. :confused:

[mi5moav]

WEEHOO, the FCC disclaimer on the bottom of the iPhone pages is finally gone!!!! We are no longer living a dream.

[mi5moav]

Only ATT smartphones/PDAs that come with 3G are the 8525, Blackjack and the TREO 750, but those 2 don't have wifi. The 8525 is also $399 with contract. Pearl, 8800, 8700, E62, 680, 720, 8125, etc... don't have what the iphone has, and none have 2 GIGS or more of internal memory. For what you are getting it's really a pretty good deal, if that is the kind of device you need.

I'll tell you why 3G won't be so important on June 9th.

[MLeepson]

I hate to dig this up, but the FCC posted the internal and external photos of the iPhone. We've all probably sen them internal photos, but every thing's labeled.

[zgh1999]

I doubt Apple can bring the iPhone to Europe in matter of weeks from now.

That time frame is simply not possible. There are many EU regulations and directives at work here that Apple has to go through and register -- for example, the EU WEEE and RoHS directives.

So, the time frame for last quarter of this year sound more plausible.