Worldwide Developers Conference 2008 Rumor Roundup

[MacRumors]

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With the 2008 Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) beginning next week, MacRumors provides this Rumor Roundup as a summary of major rumors circulating around the Mac Web before the big event (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/02/wwdc-keynote-coverage-toucharcade-spoiler-free/) (previous roundups: 2007 (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/10/worldwide-developers-conference-2007-rumor-roundup/), 2006 (http://www.macrumors.com/2006/08/05/worldwide-developers-conference-wwdc-2006-rumor-roundup/)).

The 3G iPhone

The 3G iPhone will be announced at WWDC 2008. There really can be no doubt. It's certainly been no secret that the iPhone will eventually adopt 3G technology. When Steve Jobs first introduced the iPhone in January 2007, he specifically said (video clip (http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/18/3giphoneplan.mov)) that Apple plans on making "3G phones and all sorts of amazing things in the future". Fast forward to the today (aka "the future") and there's been a growing mountain of evidence that we will see the 3G iPhone on Monday. In fact, as early as March (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/30/the-evidence-for-a-3g-iphone-june-2008/) we felt there was enough evidence to recommend people wait to buy an iPhone because of the likely June release.

Since March, we've heard "confirmation" from multiple sites (Gizmodo (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/20/confirmation-of-june-9th-3g-iphone-launch/), GeekSugar (http://www.geeksugar.com/1624369)) that June 9th is launch day. Add to that the fact that the Apple Store has been out of iPhones (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/10/online-apple-store-is-out-of-iphones/) for a month as additional evidence that the iPhone revision is on its way. Apple has also been adding 3G preferences (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/10/latest-iphone-2-0-firmware-has-3g-on-off-option/) to their latest iPhone 2.0 beta software.

Meanwhile, AT&T has been kind enough to complete their 3G rollout (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/21/atandt-to-complete-3g-rollout-by-june/) by June and prohibit their staff (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/06/atandt-blocking-out-june-15-july-12-for-3g-iphone-launch/
) from taking vacation between June 15th and July 12th in preparation for an "exciting Summer Promotional Launch".

Apple has also lined up carriers from around the globe, including Japan (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/04/softbank-announces-iphone-for-japan/), Spain (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/06/02/movistar-announces-iphone-support-in-spain/), Hong Kong (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/05/29/iphone-announced-for-hong-kong-and-macau/), Australia (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/06/vodafone-to-deliver-iphone-in-australia-italy-and-other-countries/) and many more -- with some of the countries only having 3G networking support.


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[sfoalex]

I like the Gizmodo images. Not perfect, but perhaps on target anyway.

Alex Alexzander

[CJM]

Should be fun, can't wait.

[ventro]

"There can really be do doubt"?

Sorry about that cold you're having.

[Watabou]

This is going to be the longest WWDC...I think. I hope so. :D

Helluva WWDC I expect.

[MicahFreak82]

i am so glad that i live in hawaii. by the time i get up in the morning the iphone will already be out.

[accrocchio]

Great coverage will be offered also on this Twitter channel (http://twitter.com/wwdc_2008).
:apple::apple::apple:

[juyoung]

The iPhone 2.0 SDK also includes a full Korean keyboard.

http://kmug.co.kr/board/data/applenews/1207732103/2.png
http://kmug.co.kr/board/data/applenews/4.png

Source: Korean Mac Users Group (http://kmug.co.kr/board/zboard.php?id=applenews&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=2399)

[takao]

no rumors around about new computer announcements ?

kinda disappointing

[superleccy]

I was hoping for new MBPs with redesigned cases (removable hard drive). But the complete absence of rumours tells me that this isn't going to happen.

It'll be iPhone(s); .Mac (or whatever); OS X. As per the article.

SL

[mogzieee]

No Macbook / MacBook Pro mention?? :(

Not even a Mac hardware mention whatsoever.... :(

...I fear this may be a boring and unimpressive WWDC for non-iPhone users...

[cube]

What about the weight and quantity of the items in the mystery containers? Doesn't that sound like midrange Mac?

[Dagless]

Should be a good WWDC, can't wait! Though I doubt us brits will be getting the 3G iPhone so soon, I'd give us a week or 2 after the US launch.

[batchtaster]

Poor Mac. Not gettin' very much rumor-love. Your little cousin Oliver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_Oliver_syndrome) gets all the attention.

If a 3G iPhone isn't announced, that would give me a big laugh. There would be a huge hate on for Apple, for something they never announced was happening in the first place.

And even if it is announced, there will of course be complaints and rants about what it's perceived to be missing, all the obscure "deal breakers" that some wags decide make the new model completely useless to them, all because the rumors fly and people's expectations soar.

Which is business as usual, of course. A not-even-slightly-new phenomenon.

Ah, Apple. The world loves you, but can you ever win?

[stephan.works]

Hei, cool!

MacRumors finally has its PLURK CHANNEL (so much better than Twitter!) (http://www.plurk.com/user/macrumors).

Thanks.

[big_malk]

Should be a good WWDC, can't wait! Though I doubt us brits will be getting the 3G iPhone so soon, I'd give us a week or 2 after the US launch.

I'm not so sure. There's a good chance that'll happen, but after the first version of things have gone on sale internationally, aren't newer versions usually released at the same time world wide?

Can't wait :D

[Mackan]

Seems it is all about the iPhone for Apple these days.

[Jowl]

No Front facing camera and lack of Video conferencing would be a strange thing for Europe - all mid-range phones up have this. Only top range phones have GPS though.

Personlly, I would much rather have GPS than Video conferencing.

[k28]

Seem like everyone forget that Cinema Display is long over due? :rolleyes:

[daneoni]

Sucks that i'll be somewhere over the Atlantic whilst the keynote is going on and wont be able to keep up. Grrr. Either way i cant wait

Seem like everyone forget that Cinema Display is long over due? :rolleyes:

I think everyone knows they need an update...they're just used to Apple not updating them

[carfreak12321]

When are they gonna start selling the iphone in Japan?

I no they have already announced it i was just wondering when it would go on the racks for consumers to buy!!:confused::apple:

[Trekaddict]

I am an independent dealer not associated with o2 retail stores or the Carphone crowd , next wednesday I am being wined and dined at a dealer forum by o2 IRL in a ***** star hotel with all expenses paid,

now I know this sort of thing is not uncommon in business but I can't help but think that something is going to be announced at the shindig as the timing is anything but coincidental :cool:

[carfreak12321]

What about the weight and quantity of the items in the mystery containers? Doesn't that sound like midrange Mac?

Im pretty sure those are new cinema displays. According to the specs of the boxes it would be a safe bet that they are cinema displays:D

[nlivo]

Well done to macrumors. That was a very well written article.

[skunk]

Im pretty sure those are new cinema displays. According to the specs of the boxes it would be a safe bet that they are cinema displays:DWhy would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

[noservice2001]

I am an independent dealer not associated with o2 retail stores or the Carphone crowd , next wednesday I am being wined and dined at a dealer forum by o2 IRL in a ***** star hotel with all expenses paid,

now I know this sort of thing is not uncommon in business but I can't help but think that something is going to be announced at the shindig as the timing is anything but coincidental :cool:

interesting note....

[Tallest Skil]

Why would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

They have bearing on the ability to create your movies in 1080p and burn them on Blu-ray disks to be viewed on your Mac through an HDCP Cinema Display.

Seriously, though. It isn't happening. No ACDs, no BluperDrives (ever).

[k28]

Why would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

Current Cinema Display was introduced in WWDC 2004.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=94187

[AJ1BostonMASS]

No Macbook / MacBook Pro mention?? :(

Not even a Mac hardware mention whatsoever.... :(

...I fear this may be a boring and unimpressive WWDC for non-iPhone users...


I sadly agree

[Tallest Skil]

Tallest Skil's Kick-Awesome and Least Likely to Disappoint Rumor Roundup

Happening:
iPhone
Software 2.0

Maybe:
.Mac changes
Smaller/killed Mac Mini
10.6 preview

NOT HAPPENING:
Mac Pro updates (seriously, how?!)
MacBook Pro redesign (not yet; there aren't any processors)
Aluminum MacBooks (shut up about these already!)
iMac updates (I saw it. I swear to you, someone asked.)
iPod updates (It's called September)
OS X on PCs

If you go into it thinking that NOTHING will happen, you won't be disappointed and unjustifiably angry when nothing does.

[dtyson]

What about the weight and quantity of the items in the mystery containers? Doesn't that sound like midrange Mac?

Not to rain on anybody's parade but as of yet, I don't think I've read any credible source regarding the "mystery CONTAINER" (not plural) that would lead me to believe that there is more than one in existence.

I tend to fall on the side of those who see the ONE container pictured (or even discussed) as a hoax.

Hold on... Wolf Blitzer is reporting breaking news: They appear to have received one in Paris...

[darrens]

- An announcement of an incremental bump to the iPhone
- Lots of talk about an iPhone SDK that has been around for a while
- A rebadging of .Mac

Not worth staying up for - very early in the morning here in Aus.

[jbaird77]

ugh, Apple focuses way too much on the iPhone now-a-days. Really annoying, they are really forgetting their computer market in my opinion.

I was hoping for new Macbook Pros (and no its not unusual, 3-4 months between updates have been done 3 times before in the past 6 years)

Apple apple apple, what is going on? Your Mac-fan-base is finally growing and you switch over to another product. And now perhaps EVEN ANOTHER product (tablet)

[carfreak12321]

Why would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

Yeh i no but those boxes that way 20kg each can't be anything else that seams plausible!! they might not launch it at WWDC but they will launch them soon cause they are really behind the market on displays and it has been a while since the last update:):confused:

[RoDe]

Man I can't wait. I too was hoping on an announcement of new MBP's. But I'm afraid that due to the problems Intel is having with certain chips, we won't be seeing them anytime soon.
Which is unfortunate cause the MBP's are now slower than the news iMacs.

[MacOSXuser]

I live in Hong Kong, can't wait for the iPhone coming!!!!!!

I love 

[michaelsviews]

So if AT&T is supposedly saying no vaca times during "DATE to DATE" what does that have to do with the iPhone? NADA ZIP all they do is run to the stock room and get one and you pay and leave, you cannot activate it there, sure the sales rep gets the commish on it but other than that, anyone of the untrained uneducated sales reps selling phones can do whats necessary and if theres a rebate or special pricing once again IHMO it will be done on line or the rep can deduct that from the charge at the store.

The only other alternate date I see or have read about is the 20th of June

Either way it'll be interesting to see what is actually in the iPhone for bells and whistles:apple:

[RoDe]

Why would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

They have done it before with the current Cinema display design. They were announced at the WWDC in 2004

[Roller]

The two bridges and "more ways than one" tag line are intriguing... that implies more than one major announcement. And the bridges in the illustration diverge, suggesting that the two products will differ substantially somehow.

We'll know soon.

[Ludde]

The iPhone 2.0 SDK also includes a full Korean keyboard.

http://kmug.co.kr/board/data/applenews/1207732103/2.png
http://kmug.co.kr/board/data/applenews/4.png

Source: Korean Mac Users Group (http://kmug.co.kr/board/zboard.php?id=applenews&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=2399)

Korean AND Japanese in the new firmware equals a buy as soon as I've got the money :D

[iceman1234]

Hopefully we will not have to wait until macworld for a tablet:cool:

[GuillaumeB]

Yeh Macbook and Macbook Pro are part of the show as well, even though those rumors have been neglected by the hype surrounding the iPhone.
i'm pretty sure we can confidently wait for such an announcement

[dufus20]

Im pretty sure those are new cinema displays. According to the specs of the boxes it would be a safe bet that they are cinema displays:D

Why would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

Yeh i no but those boxes that way 20kg each can't be anything else that seams plausible!! they might not launch it at WWDC but they will launch them soon cause they are really behind the market on displays and it has been a while since the last update:):confused:

Well I'm hoping it's at WWDC!!!

About to buy my first Mac and Cinema Display, just waiting until WWDC announcements have been made before I make the plunge...
:)

[137489]

Why would new displays be announced at a Developers' Conference? They have no bearing whatever on OS development.

Not unless there could be something special about them (built in apple tv with front row; a new lcd tv)??? I know nothing, just speculating.

I am glad it is on California time, which means I should be back from the dentist by the time all this kicks off..... Can't wait.

[Columbo X]

My WWDC wishlist...

1) 3G iPhone (easy one that, but I'd like to see OpenGL ES 2.0 support)
2) Tablet Mac (I can wish! Honestly, I'm surprised tablet PCs never took off.)
3) Xcode 3.1 and the SDK moved out of beta (don't know if this is due to coincide with Firmware 2.0's final release)
4) I'm looking to get a Mac Pro soon so Blu-ray drives on Mac Pro - though this has dropped down the list now I can get HD films on iTunes UK (which has also given me a reason to buy :apple:TV).

[137489]

ugh, Apple focuses way too much on the iPhone now-a-days. Really annoying, they are really forgetting their computer market in my opinion.

I was hoping for new Macbook Pros (and no its not unusual, 3-4 months between updates have been done 3 times before in the past 6 years)

Apple apple apple, what is going on? Your Mac-fan-base is finally growing and you switch over to another product. And now perhaps EVEN ANOTHER product (tablet)

Remember, they took "Computer" out of their name. They went from Apple Computer, inc. to just Apple, inc. Seriously though, the future is shaping up on all sides to be the internet and mobile technology. Me, because of convience and security reasons - I still like my laptop with encrypted files. I hope they still continue to focus on the computer market.

Oh, and a tablet is a computer (hope it still has a keyboard, I am not one for typing on a virtual keyboard) - unless they take away the ports for peripherals, then it is just another PDA.

And yes, I am still one who makes permanate backups on CD/DVD. I have crashed to many hard drives, both internal and external and have had too many thumb drives just stop working. Because Cd's/DVD's tend to break down and crack in about a year or more. I remake all mine every year - gives me a chance to get rid of obsoelete information too.....

[nick9191]

No Macbook / MacBook Pro mention?? :(

Not even a Mac hardware mention whatsoever.... :(

...I fear this may be a boring and unimpressive WWDC for non-iPhone users...
They would update them if their was any new technology to put into them.

I think we'll see the updates and redesigns at Macworld when Nehaelm comes out.

[mattwolfmatt]

I'd like to see all these features without the "talking" features, similar to what the touch is now. Of course the biggie is GPS, but it'd be cool to be able to download music and text message and have GPS and have internet access wherever you are, not just in a wi-fi hotspot. This would either have to be a whole different touch or a dumbed down version of the iphone; I'd be willing to give both a shot, and would even shell out $5 or $10 a mo for the service (not $70).

[Mykbibby]

Way to crush my hopes and dreams...

That is the worst rumor roundup of all time.

Please have a one more thing.

[Tallest Skil]

Yeh Macbook and Macbook Pro are part of the show as well, even though those rumors have been neglected by the hype surrounding the iPhone.
i'm pretty sure we can confidently wait for such an announcement

No. I'd say 25% at most for them. There isn't anything to be upgraded.

[spazattack674]

If (when) the 3G iPhone is released on June 9th at WWDC, will it be available immediately?

I've heard some speculation that it wouldn't be immediately available, but I can't really see that. Apple hasn't had a phone available for purchase for almost a month now. It would seem like they would have to be available, if not on june 9th, then within the following week.

[Rocketman]

Yeh i no but those boxes that way 20kg each can't be anything else that seams plausible!! they might not launch it at WWDC but they will launch them soon cause they are really behind the market on displays and it has been a while since the last update:):confused:

I think it is more likely retail displays for iPhone 2 for Apple Stores. Have you seen those large displays with rims around them which pose as humungous iPhone 1.0's?

Rocketman

[Holmes89]

I know there is going to be live blogging but is there a way to watch it live yourself or do you have to wait until later for Apple to post the video on iTunes?

[CWallace]

Seem like everyone forget that Cinema Display is long over due? :rolleyes:

I want the ACD to have all the goodies my new Dell 2408FPW does (which is why I bought it instead of the ACD), but honestly, with Apple not having released any content - or support for content - that requires HDCP and having not added HDMI or DisplayPort to their machines, the ACD remains perfect for folks who do color work and still looks very good for folks doing video work (since the S-IPS gives up some black level and contrast to the S-PVA panel in exchange for superior color definition).

As such, I can see why Apple has not seen a need to update it in forever and a day.

[Tallest Skil]

I know there is going to be live blogging but is there a way to watch it live yourself or do you have to wait until later for Apple to post the video on iTunes?

Search Craigslist for a ticket.

[teebs]

dang.....really hoping to hear about an upgrade to the macbook and macbook pro.

[JAYGEE]

I hear the iPhone in the UK could be on pay as you go, which will be great for me, as I generally use pay as you go, as I don't use a mobile phone enough, to justify paying a fixed fee every month.

I just wonder how the 3G access would work on pay as you go, as I will probably cost you so much to use it.

Do you normally get 3G phones on pay as you go?

[Holmes89]

Search Craigslist for a ticket.

okay I take that as a no haha. I just was curious.

[twoodcc]

can't wait! hope the iPhone has GPS

[JAYGEE]

I know there is going to be live blogging but is there a way to watch it live yourself or do you have to wait until later for Apple to post the video on iTunes?

I go here http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/ but sadly, it's not live either, and have to wait a few hours after the keynote, for Apple to put it up :(

I try to not read any news about the keynote, and what Apple have announced, and wait & watch the keynote, but most of the time, waiting is to hard.

I wish there was a live camera feed as well :(

[jmpmntwnty3]

Aww, WWDC. So close, but yet so far away! Do y'all remember when this damn widget first came out and it was like 30 or 40 days away??? Man, how does time fly!!

I can't wait to be able to purchase my 3G iPhone (hopfully next week before I leave for vacation on Wednesday)!!!!

And it's so ironic, I live in Greenville, SC, and we've never had 3G before last week. My BlackJack just all of a sudden started showing 3G and I was like :eek:

Perfect timing, if I do say so myself...

[DaBrain]

No Macbook / MacBook Pro mention?? :(

Not even a Mac hardware mention whatsoever.... :(

...I fear this may be a boring and unimpressive WWDC for non-iPhone users...

Yep it's been pretty obvious with all the obsession regarding the iPhone. IM waiting for Apple to be renamed to Apple iPhone Inc!

All this over a phone! It's pretty amazing! If your in the market for an iPhone then this WWDC is definitely for you! ;)

[product26]

two bridges going to two different places....


think "SURPRISE!"

[tuftywhite]

If you're in the market for an iPhone then this WWDC is definitely for you! ;)

I am in the market for an iPhone!!! :)

[Telp]

ugh, Apple focuses way too much on the iPhone now-a-days. Really annoying, they are really forgetting their computer market in my opinion.

I was hoping for new Macbook Pros (and no its not unusual, 3-4 months between updates have been done 3 times before in the past 6 years)

Apple apple apple, what is going on? Your Mac-fan-base is finally growing and you switch over to another product. And now perhaps EVEN ANOTHER product (tablet)

You seem to forget that they are hard at work on Leopard. They just released 10.5.3, and less than a week later they seeded a beta 10.5.4. Besides this event (presumably), they haven't really been focusing on the iPhone anymore than anything else, except to maybe just get ready for WWDC (we hope).

Right now there is nothing worthy to update the laptop line with. They mine as well say new MacBook Pro. It's the same one as before, but I, Steve Jobs, says it's new. It will even have a shiny --new-- tag on the box. :p

Don't worry about Apple. They know what they are doing, and if they don't, well they have some time to work out what they are doing wrong.

[4God]

two bridges going to two different places....


think "SURPRISE!"

Yeah, you know, that has to mean something. Could it be iPhone meets Mac and we finally have our Tablet? That seems like it would parallel very well with the .Mac rename of Mobile Me.

[Telp]

two bridges going to two different places....


think "SURPRISE!"

My guess would be something along the lines of the iPhone OS X, and the Computer OS X.

[Chupa Chupa]

two bridges going to two different places....


think "SURPRISE!"


I think you have it backwards. It's two bridges, both in the background (iPhone) and (Computer) going to the same place (.Mac/.Me.) in the foreground. There is no "surprise," its plainly representing total "convergence."

[Telp]

I think you have it backwards. It's two bridges, both in the background (iPhone) and (Computer) going to the same place (.Mac/.Me.) in the foreground. There is no "surprise," its plainly representing total "convergence."

I like that way of thinking. It sounds good, and it would work well. However, I think it would be less cryptic and atleast have them converge at the end. Good thinking though.

[avigalante]

Yep it's been pretty obvious with all the obsession regarding the iPhone. IM waiting for Apple to be renamed to Apple iPhone Inc!

All this over a phone! It's pretty amazing! If your in the market for an iPhone then this WWDC is definitely for you! ;)

...And I don't blame Apple for focusing their resources on the iPhone.

Apple is a business - they will do what it takes to ensure profitability and steady growth. Right now, both--profitability and growth--are in the iPhone and it's soon to be announced world-wide availability - which would mean that it could have far more reach than any other platform in the Mac lineup. Remember, the iPod changed Apple and the iPhone is just a continuation of that change.

Think of it this way - the iPhone/iPod are the key to the Mac... if they entice and garner enough people on to their "accessory" (iPhone/iPod) lineup, they'll eventually get more people to test out their "main" (Mac) base (that's how you create growth).

Apple has never been as global as it is now, and reasons point to iPhone/iPod (right now it's mostly iPhone). The pricing points for these models are far more lucrative, as they are reasonably more affordable than any Mac - positioning the products (iPhone/iPod) to reach a larger base of potential customers. A simple example -- I'd rather sell 10 products for $1 as opposed to 1 product for $10 - the idea behind this is that I'd rather sacrifice some profit and grow; if more people find out about the company by word of mouth/fanfare, I'll eventually profit more - it's the law of small/large numbers. Granted I lose out on the large potential profit by selling 1 item, but by selling 10 - I reach more people and I get more awareness amongst those very people.

iPhone/iPod sales have led to more Apple awareness on a worldwide scale. That coupled with the fact that mobile phones are having explosive growth (especially smartphones) - and voila, it's no wonder they allocate most of their resources to the iPhone.

[FSUSem1noles]

Does anyone think the new iphone will be on sale on the 9th..

Or is Apple just going to announce it and it won't be on sale until end of June beginning of July..

[Telp]

Does anyone think the new iphone will be on sale on the 9th..

Or is Apple just going to announce it and it won't be on sale until end of June beginning of July..

Well, at the very least, we all hope for an immediate release date.

[razorianfly]

Does anyone think the new iphone will be on sale on the 9th..

Or is Apple just going to announce it and it won't be on sale until end of June beginning of July..

Apple will want to build as much hype as they possibly can ... I expect if there is going to be an 'iPhone' announcement at WWDC,
and I say if, then I expect it to be just that, an 'announcement', with availability to come roughly 2 weeks on Tuesday 9th.
(end of June .. if you like).

This way the media will go crazy, as will everyone else, the iPhone will have main-stream attention, and ensure
MAXIMUM sales on launch day.

People who don't follow Apple, or WWDC, wouldn't necessarily know a new iPhone is rumored/or if it has been announced,
it will take a while for them to find out. Letting the media take a hold means iPhone get attention straight after the keynote, worldwide.

R-Fly

[Telp]

Apple will want to build as much hype as they possibly can ... I expect if there is going to be an 'iPhone' announcement at WWDC, and I say if, then I expect it to be just that, an 'announcement', with availability to come roughly 2 weeks on Tuesday 9th.
(end of June .. if you like).

R-Fly

Possibly, but with almost no iPhone sales in about a month, you would think they want those bad boys released as soon as possible.

[DaBrain]

I am in the market for an iPhone!!! :)

Well then, there ya go! Happy days for you--))) ;):D

[FSUSem1noles]

Well, at the very least, we all hope for an immediate release date.

I'd like for an immediate release and I'm trying to plan if I should just take the day off and head to the ATT store on Monday.. but part of me just can't see Apple releasing a new phone with out any hype.. commercials, ad's.. etc.etc..

[Bern]

Well I definitely won't be getting an iPhone, I was just given a Bang & Olufsen Serene for my birthday today :D

[DaBrain]

I think you have it backwards. It's two bridges, both in the background (iPhone) and (Computer) going to the same place (.Mac/.Me.) in the foreground. There is no "surprise," its plainly representing total "convergence."

I'd say your right on target--)) ;)

[Telp]

I'd like for an immediate release and I'm trying to plan if I should just take the day off and head to the ATT store on Monday.. but part of me just can't see Apple releasing a new phone with out any hype.. commercials, ad's.. etc.etc..

Well, if you look at any tech blogs or rumor sites on the internet, that is a lot of hype. I would be weary taking the day off, because even if they are released that day, stores probably wouldn't get them till the next day, just like with the iMacs. Then again, maybe they are prepared for that, and when i get home from school I will gladly wait in that long line.

[stagi]

Whatever happens should be interesting.

[carfreak12321]

Does anyone think the new iphone will be on sale on the 9th..

Or is Apple just going to announce it and it won't be on sale until end of June beginning of July..

since the original iphone has been unavailable for the past month so Apple has to ship out as early as possible because a lot of their profits have been halted because of this shortage.:)

[skinaked2]

There better be a suprise macbook pro update other wise i am going to have to buy the current proccesor :mad:

[MacinDoc]

since the original iphone has been unavailable for the past month so Apple has to ship out as early as possible because a lot of their profits have been halted because of this shortage.:)
Availability should be soon after the keynote, considering the loss of sales Apple is incurring due to the current lack of availability. But it doesn't have to be on the day of the keynote, just within a tolerably short interval. It is possible that Apple could announce the iPhone 3G on Tuesday and start selling it on Friday night (remember, Leopard first became available on a Friday night, as did the original iPhone).

[Telp]

There better be a suprise macbook pro update other wise i am going to have to buy the current proccesor :mad:

Oh, and One...Last...Thing...


No new MacBook Pros

But iPhone released now. And all of you get one! For almost free. All we need are your souls. Oh, we already have them? THEY'RE YOURS...

[Tallest Skil]

There better be a suprise macbook pro update other wise i am going to have to buy the current proccesor :mad:

Yeah... because it sucks so much...

Seeing as the processor to upgrade the MacBook Pros aren't out, you'll need to either wait another month or buy now.

[EagerDragon]

no rumors around about new computer announcements ?

kinda disappointing

There were rumors about a bumped mini and rumors about a multi-touch tablet like device.

Those boxes could be the new device or the new 3G iPhone.
:eek:

3G iPhone announced and will be shipping on 6/15.
Something else available 6/9 inmediatly.

[uniquedesign]

Does apple still make macs? or ?? is it all iPhone that rules apple world ffs, stupid *ss iphone instead of updating their products.

just ain't looking forward to this WWDC :s/

[w00143881]

holler at my new...mac mini?

[MHerstand]

What ever happened to the iTunes 8 rumor? And Snow Leopard just seems like one of those fake rumors that Apple starts before one of their events. "security, stability, and performance" really seem like they should come in 10.5.4/10.5.5... There would be very little reason for "the vast majority of consumers" (for those who remember MW08) to get 10.6 if that is all it is offering.

[Tallest Skil]

What ever happened to the iTunes 8 rumor?

It was killed.

[Nicky G]

First of all, everyone here who claims to be a Mac/Apple geek and is down on iPhones is missing the point. Apple has RETURNED to the market they started -- highly mobile, advanced computing devices. They STARTED this market with the Newton, and now they have returned in a major way. If you like Apple and you like computers, and don't like the iPhone, something is wrong with you, because this kind of device represents the next major frontier in computing. And the big story is, Apple is setting itself up to utterly DOMINATE this market, which in 5-10 years will probably be significantly larger than the laptop/desktop market. This in and of itself will lead to greater adoption of Macs across the board. REJOICE!

Second, just to throw some additional logs on the rumor fires... Someone I know who I completely believe (his relationship with a particular computer/gadget-maker makes this probable IMHO) told me a few days ago that he had a chance to see an iPhone, and basically all of the rumors floating around are true -- 3G, GPS, more memory, and yes, a forward-facing camera (which he did not see in action, so he could not confirm it was for video chatting.) I know it doesn't hold much/any weight, but when I heard this from this particular fellow, I kind of took the stance that this upcoming release is going to meet if not exceed even the most optimistic rumors, and we are all about to be very, very happy. Ah, first-gen iPhone, you have served me well over the past year, but I think you're about to take an early retirement... ;)

[earnjam]

Does apple still make macs? or ?? is it all iPhone that rules apple world ffs, stupid *ss iphone instead of updating their products.

just ain't looking forward to this WWDC :s/

Didn't they just do an update to the laptops a few months ago? The new processor isn't ready yet, so what else are they going to do?

And didn't we just get an iMac update a few weeks ago? :rolleyes:

I know everyone wants more, but come on. The MacPro and the mini both have a case for needing updates, but let's be reasonable people.

The iPhone is exciting new frontier for Apple that will only encourage new growth in the Mac lineup. I know 3 people who got iPhones and after having them for a few weeks, went out and bought new Macs after never owning Apple before.

[jsbarone]

Yeah... because it sucks so much...

Seeing as the processor to upgrade the MacBook Pros aren't out, you'll need to either wait another month or buy now.

wrong? processor has been out---intel is having issues with the wireless card and the gpu...neither of which apple uses in the mbp.

[Peace]

Here's my yearly what's gonna go down at WWDC :

3G iPhone with :

1. GPS intergrated with Google Maps
2. Video conferencing via iChat. iChat goes Windows. Available on WiFi for free, 3G for a fee.
3. Transfer your WMV and WMA files from Windows to the iPhone. No need for Flip4Mac. New Quicktime codecs that allow transcoding to and from Windows files. Quicktime version 7.5 and iTunes 7.7
4. Exchange support .We already know that
5. Two versions of the phone. One for consumer. One for corporate customers.
6. Apple's version of a social network integrated in the phone thus necessitating the switch from .Mac to another kind of service. Keep your .Mac email use a different interface on the iPhone.
7. Sharing media with other iPhoners from phone to phone via Bonjour and MMS ( which will sort of be the same thing )
8. Play your iTunes library from the iPhone on Windows or Mac.
9. Record video and sync with your computer.
10. Flash on the iPhone.

Consumer version available now. Corporate version available in 2 weeks.
------------------------------

Leopard goes full 64-bit Cocoa with multi-touch.
Two versions of Leopard.
One for the PPC architecture and pre-64-bit Intel aka Universal
One for the Intel ( 64-bit only ) Platform that includes multi-touch if you have a multi-touch device. Coming in some new future products. Due out Jan. 2009. Developers get it now.

The Mac Mini is EOL because there's one more thing.

I'll leave that one for Monday.;)

[CaptainCaveMann]

I cannot believe all these stupid iPhone rumors! Has the whole world gone mad? It's just a phone! You would think it was the cure for cancer all the coverage it gets. I wish for once Americans would get off their arses, their phones, and their computers to actually go outside and interact with humans. Video games and televisions have done something terrible to peoples lives. They have taken the humanity out of living, and distorted everyones perception of reality. Do yourselves a favor, and I mean you greedy little 14 year olds, and you technology consumed/obsessed adults and throw out your t.v.'s, video game consoles, and try to just use the computer once a week. Your life will be so much more full filling.

And especially to you people who render a phone "completely useless" because it doesn't have some nifty feature you want. Remember there are kids in this world that won't even be able to eat tonight. So be great full for what you have.

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, until the iPhone comes to other carriers in the U.S. it just isn't news worthy. And where are the Macbook rumors?

[MacinDoc]

Here's my yearly what's gonna go down at WWDC :

3G iPhone with :

1. GPS intergrated with Google Maps
2. Video conferencing via iChat. iChat goes Windows. Available on WiFi for free, 3G for a fee.
3. Transfer your WMV and WMA files from Windows to the iPhone. No need for Flip4Mac. New Quicktime codecs that allow transcoding to and from Windows files. Quicktime version 7.5 and iTunes 7.7
4. Exchange support .We already know that
5. Two versions of the phone. One for consumer. One for corporate customers.
6. Apple's version of a social network integrated in the phone thus necessitating the switch from .Mac to another kind of service. Keep your .Mac email use a different interface on the iPhone.
7. Sharing media with other iPhoners from phone to phone via Bonjour and MMS ( which will sort of be the same thing )
8. Play your iTunes library from the iPhone on Windows or Mac.
9. Record video and sync with your computer.
10. Flash on the iPhone.

Consumer version available now. Corporate version available in 2 weeks.
------------------------------

Leopard goes full 64-bit Cocoa with multi-touch.
Two versions of Leopard.
One for the PPC architecture and pre-64-bit Intel aka Universal
One for the Intel ( 64-bit only ) Platform that includes multi-touch if you have a multi-touch device. Coming in some new future products. Due out Jan. 2009. Developers get it now.

The Mac Mini is EOL because there's one more thing.

I'll leave that one for Monday.;)
Those are pretty well thought out predictions; I can't quibble with any of them, with the exception of developers getting 64-bit OS X so soon. It would be great, but I'm not convinced that it's ready to go out to developers yet.

Can't wait to see what prediction you'll be making Monday...

[Powerbooky]

Last year European journalists were invited to see the keynote at the BBC Centre. Some of us can't get to the centre in time, so we're trying to watch the feed in some other place. Does anyone know people there that have access to the satellite feed transponder data? (position, frequency, polarization, symbolrate etc)

[macfan881]

dang.....really hoping to hear about an upgrade to the macbook and macbook pro.

they just got a ugprade like 3 months ago take it easy

[Donz0r]

So if AT&T is supposedly saying no vaca times during "DATE to DATE" what does that have to do with the iPhone? NADA ZIP all they do is run to the stock room and get one and you pay and leave, you cannot activate it there, sure the sales rep gets the commish on it but other than that, anyone of the untrained uneducated sales reps selling phones can do whats necessary and if theres a rebate or special pricing once again IHMO it will be done on line or the rep can deduct that from the charge at the store.

The only other alternate date I see or have read about is the 20th of June

Either way it'll be interesting to see what is actually in the iPhone for bells and whistles:apple:


Last year they blocked off the same timeframe roughly and the iPhone was released at the end of June. There's going to be insane demand for this thing, the vacation limit is definitely because of the second coming....of the iPhone.

[abijnk]

What is everyone expecting Apple to do with the MacBook's and MacBook Pro's????? :confused:

I think we are all aware that any case redesign is going to coincide with something that actually affects how the thing works, in which case it appears it is time to bone up on Intel's mobile roadmap (http://guides.macrumors.com/Intel_Mobile_Road_Map) and stop complaining.

The iPhone is a big deal, whether you use one or not... I, for one, can't wait to see what hardware really is included in the new version, and to see what developers crank out when the SDK is out of beta and the App Store opens up. Bring it on!

[Tallest Skil]

What is everyone expecting Apple to do with the MacBook's and MacBook Pro's?????

Update them... what else is done? They want case redesigns. They're blind.

[jsbarone]

I cannot believe all these stupid iPhone rumors! Has the whole world gone mad? It's just a phone! You would think it was the cure for cancer all the coverage it gets. I wish for once Americans would get off their arses, their phones, and their computers to actually go outside and interact with humans. Video games and televisions have done something terrible to peoples lives. They have taken the humanity out of living, and distorted everyones perception of reality. Do yourselves a favor, and I mean you greedy little 14 year olds, and you technology consumed/obsessed adults and throw out your t.v.'s, video game consoles, and try to just use the computer once a week. Your life will be so much more full filling.

And especially to you people who render a phone "completely useless" because it doesn't have some nifty feature you want. Remember there are kids in this world that won't even be able to eat tonight. So be great full for what you have.

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, until the iPhone comes to other carriers in the U.S. it just isn't news worthy. And where are the Macbook rumors?

this kind of comment shouldn't even be dignified with a response, but I just have to say that I wish we had a bury/digg down function...what a douche! Giving people a hard time because we're excited about new technology.

[abijnk]

Update them... what else is done? They want case redesigns. They're blind.

I would be incredibly surprised if Apple releases a new MacBook (pro or otherwise) that is purely a case redesign, it would be so silly. Release a case redesign now, and then in 1 to 2 months release again with the montevina platform? Makes no sense to me.

While I am aware that hardware has been released at WWDC in the past, this time around I really think there will only be the iPhone in terms of hardware, and that coincides with the HUGE software release around it (iPhone 2.0 with App Store).

But hey, I could be completely wrong and they could update their entire notebook line with shiny new cases, who knows!!!

this kind of comment shouldn't even be dignified with a response, but I just have to say that I wish we had a bury/digg down function...what a douche! Giving people a hard time because we're excited about new technology.

And it was from someone with 1,300+ posts on a tech website... :D Pot, I would like you to meet my friend Kettle...

[hiimamac]

My WWDC wishlist...

1) 3G iPhone (easy one that, but I'd like to see OpenGL ES 2.0 support)
2) Tablet Mac (I can wish! Honestly, I'm surprised tablet PCs never took off.)
3) Xcode 3.1 and the SDK moved out of beta (don't know if this is due to coincide with Firmware 2.0's final release)
4) I'm looking to get a Mac Pro soon so Blu-ray drives on Mac Pro - though this has dropped down the list now I can get HD films on iTunes UK (which has also given me a reason to buy :apple:TV).

Nice list.

:apple: I want 3G phones/GPS/video
:apple: No more intergrated GMA on any mac computer (seriously, who cares if the Pro's buy a cheap Macbook or Mini for pro use, they care more about iPhone/Windows (exepect big things for .MAC and windows next week) and iPod users anyway, and the bulk of the profits come from them, plus the iMac, so removing the GMA wouldn't hurt :apple: at all
:apple: New displays, new price point, options for Glossy and Matte, also iMacs are powerful enough now for PRO use so stop making them just for consumers (ala no Matte) and better firewire (texas instruments)
:apple: Mid Range computer
:apple: New Final Cut Pro, easier to use, deep functions.
:apple: Logic have the ability to run and GUI (skin) like Pro Tools for easy back and forth usability for studio use

Not sure we'll see the tablet quite yet.
Coming, yes, not sure it will be next week though.

[SchneiderMan]

Current Cinema Display was introduced in WWDC 2004.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=94187

yeah and why would the iphone be introduced in the wwdc? is was in macworld.. so it doesnt matter

[Tallest Skil]

*list*

1) Duh.
2) Not happening. Ever.
3) Probably not. Needs to, but probably not.
4) HA! Right.
5) Hmm...
6) Eh?

yeah and why would the iphone be introduced in the wwdc? is was in macworld.. so it doesnt matter

I'm sorry, what does this mean? That was last year...

[SchneiderMan]

I'm sorry, what does this mean? That was last year...

that guy said that nothing should be introduced in the wwdc
now we all know that the iphone 3g will be introduced in wwdc but not in macworld this time, this could be for macbooks too

[Tallest Skil]

Periods are helpful.

He didn't say that, at least, if I understand what you're saying.
The 3G iPhone is coming out in two days at WWDC.
No MacBooks; there's nothing to change there.

[Andrew07]

this kind of comment shouldn't even be dignified with a response, but I just have to say that I wish we had a bury/digg down function...what a douche! Giving people a hard time because we're excited about new technology.

Yet he still has the time to make almost a post a day for the past four years :rolleyes:

[SchneiderMan]

Periods are helpful.

He didn't say that, at least, if I understand what you're saying.
The 3G iPhone is coming out in two days at WWDC.
No MacBooks; there's nothing to change there.

so you think the next update will be macworld 09? or before unintroduced without any events?

[jsbarone]

Periods are helpful.

He didn't say that, at least, if I understand what you're saying.
The 3G iPhone is coming out in two days at WWDC.
No MacBooks; there's nothing to change there.

I'll ask you again---what makes you so sure? I haven't seen any reason why they can't come out monday. Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Definitely.

[Tallest Skil]

For the MacBooks? July, when Montevina comes out.

[SchneiderMan]

so thats next month only, ill wait and see

[jsbarone]

so thats next month only, ill wait and see

I believe his reasoning behind July is due to the GPU and Wireless issues that intel is having with the montevina platform. He may be forgetting that the MBP does not use these components, and therefor is not subject to the same delay.

[SchneiderMan]

im all confused now :confused:

[Tallest Skil]

I believe his reasoning behind July is due to the GPU and Wireless issues that intel is having with the montevina platform. He may be forgetting that the MBP does not use these components, and therefor is not subject to the same delay.

But they still won't come out at WWDC.

[eljefenorte]

If (when) the 3G iPhone is released on June 9th at WWDC, will it be available immediately?
I think we're going to have to wait until later this month before we can get our hands on the new phone(s). I think this for the following reasons:


The 2.0 OS isn't ready. Beta 6 (5A308) is not stable enough for a widespread release. There are likely newer builds, but I doubt Apple would have gone to production without seeding the final build.
The AppStore isn't populated. iPhone developers have yet to be given access to submit apps and begin testing AppStore-based installations of their apps.
AT&T stores don't (yet) have the phones. Apple could have coordinated a widespread coordinated delivery Monday, but I think that is unlikely.
The hype is only getting started. Sure, iPhones have been scarce for the last month, but Apple would be robbing themselves of free, widespread publicity by delaying the launch by a week (or more.)

While I'm excited for Monday to be here, I suspect we're going to receive the announcement and then have to wait...

[jsbarone]

But they still won't come out at WWDC.

You keep saying that without providing any reason why.

[Tallest Skil]

The delay. I don't care that the MacBook Pros don't use the components that are being delayed. Apple has gotten exclusivity before, but the delay is real. They won't get the boards early; they would have had to have them already.

Would you rather have cauterized boards inside your MacBook Pros?

[SchneiderMan]

im sure that SJ will give us somthing, like say, there will be great new update for the macbooks soon or somthing like that.. just like he did last year when they introduced the iphone he said they will have new ones later on

[stagi]

I think we're going to have to wait until later this month before we can get our hands on the new phone(s). I think this for the following reasons:


The 2.0 OS isn't ready. Beta 6 (5A308) is not stable enough for a widespread release. There are likely newer builds, but I doubt Apple would have gone to production without seeding the final build.
The AppStore isn't populated. iPhone developers have yet to be given access to submit apps and begin testing AppStore-based installations of their apps.
AT&T stores don't (yet) have the phones. Apple could have coordinated a widespread coordinated delivery Monday, but I think that is unlikely.
The hype is only getting started. Sure, iPhones have been scarce for the last month, but Apple would be robbing themselves of free, widespread publicity by delaying the launch by a week (or more.)

While I'm excited for Monday to be here, I suspect we're going to receive the announcement and then have to wait...
True, I do see more likelihood of it coming out in a week or two, but really would love to walk into an apple store monday and pick up a 3g.

[jsbarone]

The delay. I don't care that the MacBook Pros don't use the components that are being delayed. Apple has gotten exclusivity before, but the delay is real. They won't get the boards early; they would have had to have them already.

Would you rather have cauterized boards inside your MacBook Pros?

Define "cauterized boards". I believe there is a possibility that Apple will release a redesign. The current MBP design is 6+ years old, and the MBA is stealing it's thunder.

[sagew]

Here's my yearly what's gonna go down at WWDC :

3G iPhone with :

1. GPS intergrated with Google Maps
2. Video conferencing via iChat. iChat goes Windows. Available on WiFi for free, 3G for a fee.
3. Transfer your WMV and WMA files from Windows to the iPhone. No need for Flip4Mac. New Quicktime codecs that allow transcoding to and from Windows files. Quicktime version 7.5 and iTunes 7.7
4. Exchange support .We already know that
5. Two versions of the phone. One for consumer. One for corporate customers.
6. Apple's version of a social network integrated in the phone thus necessitating the switch from .Mac to another kind of service. Keep your .Mac email use a different interface on the iPhone.
7. Sharing media with other iPhoners from phone to phone via Bonjour and MMS ( which will sort of be the same thing )
8. Play your iTunes library from the iPhone on Windows or Mac.
9. Record video and sync with your computer.
10. Flash on the iPhone.

Consumer version available now. Corporate version available in 2 weeks.
------------------------------

Leopard goes full 64-bit Cocoa with multi-touch.
Two versions of Leopard.
One for the PPC architecture and pre-64-bit Intel aka Universal
One for the Intel ( 64-bit only ) Platform that includes multi-touch if you have a multi-touch device. Coming in some new future products. Due out Jan. 2009. Developers get it now.

The Mac Mini is EOL because there's one more thing.

I'll leave that one for Monday.;)

All sounds good, but I think corporate version comes first, consumer version after.

[Tallest Skil]

The current MBP design is 6+ years old, and the MBA is stealing it's thunder.

No, it isn't, because people still need fully functional computers.

So what if the design is six years old? It's timeless. If you don't understand why the design doesn't need to be changed, then you shouldn't complain about the fact that it hasn't.

[paja]

Here's my yearly what's gonna go down at WWDC :

3G iPhone with :

1. GPS intergrated with Google Maps
2. Video conferencing via iChat. iChat goes Windows. Available on WiFi for free, 3G for a fee.
3. Transfer your WMV and WMA files from Windows to the iPhone. No need for Flip4Mac. New Quicktime codecs that allow transcoding to and from Windows files. Quicktime version 7.5 and iTunes 7.7
4. Exchange support .We already know that
5. Two versions of the phone. One for consumer. One for corporate customers.
6. Apple's version of a social network integrated in the phone thus necessitating the switch from .Mac to another kind of service. Keep your .Mac email use a different interface on the iPhone.
7. Sharing media with other iPhoners from phone to phone via Bonjour and MMS ( which will sort of be the same thing )
8. Play your iTunes library from the iPhone on Windows or Mac.
9. Record video and sync with your computer.
10. Flash on the iPhone.

Consumer version available now. Corporate version available in 2 weeks.
------------------------------

Leopard goes full 64-bit Cocoa with multi-touch.
Two versions of Leopard.
One for the PPC architecture and pre-64-bit Intel aka Universal
One for the Intel ( 64-bit only ) Platform that includes multi-touch if you have a multi-touch device. Coming in some new future products. Due out Jan. 2009. Developers get it now.

The Mac Mini is EOL because there's one more thing.

I'll leave that one for Monday.;)


Some list you have there.

Unfortunately you are going to be bitterly disappointed.

[Chupa Chupa]

Define "cauterized boards". I believe there is a possibility that Apple will release a redesign. The current MBP design is 6+ years old, and the MBA is stealing it's thunder.


What kind of "thunder?" The MBP isn't an attention hogging product, it's a workhorse. You buy a MBP for very different reasons than a MBA. The two are not interchangeable. You either want a minimalist, but ultra-lightweight notebook or you can't sacrifice any functionality and you buy a MBP. Anyone who buys the MBA solely because it's cute or sleek, even if it doesn't fit their needs, isn't too bright IMHO.

Moreover, since there are no stats on specific model sales you can't really say the MBA is stealing anything from the MBP with any authority unless you are counting ad runs. Then again it's a brand new product and you would expect that.

As for the current MBP, sure it's similar to the original TiBook, but it has been updated through the years just like the Porsche Carrera. The overall design and shape though are classic and do not need "overhauling." Maybe a little thinner and lighter as technology permits but a whole redo is unnecessary.

[Stridder44]

Seem like everyone forget that Cinema Display is long over due? :rolleyes:

Oh God, let's not even get started on how badly those things need updating. Honestly I don't even know why Apple sells them, or who keeps buying them because you can get a much better monitor (or at least as good as) for way less $$$. Paying that Apple premium wouldn't even be that big of a deal if it didn't take them so long to update them.

The iPhone's awesome and all, but it kinda sucks there's no Mac related changes. Still, "Snow-Leopard" sounds very exciting.

[Peace]

Some list you have there.

Unfortunately you are going to be bitterly disappointed.

na. I'm never disappointed.

[brisweeney]

is anyone really thinking the 3g iphone is gonna go onslane on the 9th? that would be insane,their not gonna announce it,then tell everyone to run out and buy it!! i say their gonna announce it,do a 2 week or so PR blitz then put it onsale around the 20th. it'll hit o2 in the uk and ireland similtanious id say. seeing as o2 carry it in both countries, and o2 ireland only recently upgraded to nearly full 3g coverage.

im glad i waited and didnt get an iphone, ive only used 3g phones since they first hit the market here, and i dont like taking steps backwards!!!

with regards to MB/MBP updates? i dont realy care as ive only just gotten a MB! and it'll do me for at least a year!:)

ill prob watch the key note tomorrow, wheres a good place to get a stream? also what time will it be in san fran? so i can see what time in the afternoon it'll be here!!!

[jsbarone]

What kind of "thunder?" The MBP isn't an attention hogging product, it's a workhorse. You buy a MBP for very different reasons than a MBA. The two are not interchangeable. You either want a minimalist, but ultra-lightweight notebook or you can't sacrifice any functionality and you buy a MBP. Anyone who buys the MBA solely because it's cute or sleek, even if it doesn't fit their needs, isn't too bright IMHO.

Moreover, since there are no stats on specific model sales you can't really say the MBA is stealing anything from the MBP with any authority unless you are counting ad runs. Then again it's a brand new product and you would expect that.

As for the current MBP, sure it's similar to the original TiBook, but it has been updated through the years just like the Porsche Carrera. The overall design and shape though are classic and do not need "overhauling." Maybe a little thinner and lighter as technology permits but a whole redo is unnecessary.

my point is that Apple isn't a "timeless" company. They like to keep things looking fresh and cutting edge, and the current MBPs design doesn't reflect those qualities. I am not complaining about the current design---I just don't think that Apple would have designed the MBA (a cheaper notebook) to be visually superior unless they had similar plans for the MBP. They don't want the consumers out there to go with the cheaper MBA based on looks alone (people ARE that vain).

Summarizing...Apple doesn't like to stand still in regards to design, and the Mini and MBP are significantly overdue. I'm expecting a redesign by Macworld, hopefully sooner.

[MacinDoc]

is anyone really thinking the 3g iphone is gonna go onslane on the 9th? that would be insane,their not gonna announce it,then tell everyone to run out and buy it!! i say their gonna announce it,do a 2 week or so PR blitz then put it onsale around the 20th. it'll hit o2 in the uk and ireland similtanious id say. seeing as o2 carry it in both countries, and o2 ireland only recently upgraded to nearly full 3g coverage.

im glad i waited and didnt get an iphone, ive only used 3g phones since they first hit the market here, and i dont like taking steps backwards!!!

with regards to MB/MBP updates? i dont realy care as ive only just gotten a MB! and it'll do me for at least a year!:)

ill prob watch the key note tomorrow, wheres a good place to get a stream? also what time will it be in san fran? so i can see what time in the afternoon it'll be here!!!
The problem with waiting for 2 weeks is that the current model has been sold out for some time now, representing a significant revenue loss for Apple.

I say it goes on sale this Friday at the latest.

[brisweeney]

The problem with waiting for 2 weeks is that the current model has been sold out for some time now, representing a significant revenue loss for Apple.

I say it goes on sale this Friday at the latest.

yeah good point there....i mean we all know apple are pr geniuses, a 1 week or 2 week rush of tv,net,and print/billboard ads would be enough to create a huge hype for the new iphone, for the general public, not just die hard apple fans!

i mean, say tomorrow morning, average joe wakes up and says "hey i want an iphone" he goes to the shop to be told,"sorry its out of stock, but wait a week/2 weeks and theres this amazing new 3g one with loads of cool stuff on it!"

is average joe gonna go elsewhere for a bog standard phone, or wait a while for the new iphone?

edit: also for that week/2 weeks all he see's is ads for the new iphone!!! im betting he waits!

[mAc-warrior]

Summarizing...Apple doesn't like to stand still in regards to design, and the Mini and MBP are significantly overdue. I'm expecting a redesign by Macworld, hopefully sooner.

I'm with you here jsbarone. I have been hoping for a MBP refresh as well.

I don't believe that there is nothing that can be done for the MBPs. Currently they are way too close spec-wise to the MBs. Clockspeed overlap is something that Apple has historically tried to minimize between their notebook lines. Right now the two lines are overlapping at that 2.4Ghz speed. Assuming that there are no issues with the processors included in the Montevina chipset, there is no reason why Apple could not simply implement those processors in their own custom boards (they currently design their own boards), bumping the MBP to 2.6Ghz and 2.8Ghz (possibly 3.06 as BTO). The graphics chipset in the MBP is also now 2 (or 3, I can't remember) revisions old. Further, I see bargain-basement PCs in flyers at my door all the time including 320GB HDs in them, at 5400RPM. There is no reason why Apple can't bump the HD capacity as well, to 250GB standard with a 320GB (maybe even 500GB???) as BTO. Many say the 15" screen could see a bump in resolution as well to 1680x1050. Case redesigns could compliment all of this quite nicely.

To recap, Apple can upgrade:

Processors (and DDR3 RAM that goes with them)
Graphics
HD capacity
Screen (15")
Cases

What am I missing? This looks like a pretty well completely upgraded machine. I don't understand where people are getting the idea that there is nothing to upgrade, especially when the Macbook is so close spec-wise. Why would anyone (even Pros) buy a MBP over the current MB right now? Hence the need for a MBP upgrade ASAP. The parts to upgrade are there too.

--mAc

[hawaiianapple]

Has anyone not noticed the announcment image?

Apple always gives clues with it's announcements... And there have been rumors of OSX for non-apple hardware...

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/03/13/190857-landmark.jpg

A landmark event in more ways than one...

i.e. while eveyone is focused on 3G iPhone it seems that this very subtle clue is being overlooked...

Why are there parallel bridges? Parallels? i.e. PC on a mac or how about OSX on a PC? Landmark event? What would be more landmark than OSX being able to be installed on PC hardware?

I hardly think that 3G iPhone is a landmark event, although landmarking could be a referral to GPS encoding photo images, but then why the double Golden Gate bridges?

Why are the bridges not in absolute parallel but are divergent? What does that mean?

What is the significance of the bridge? Bridging divides? Possible clue to the Mac/PC divide?

Not to be all conspiracy theory but Apple's clues always hint at what is coming, how can two bridges that are slightly divergent have anything to do with the iPhone?

"In more ways than one", i.e. not only will the iPhone be featured, but clearly *something else* is being hinted at here...

They're hiding the truth in plain sight but what is the truth they are revealing in the imagery they're using... There are big clues there, but what do they mean...?

Analysing the clues further, it's obvious something major is up with OSX, the two are the iPhone and OSX so what is new with OSX? What would make it so landmark?

[tba03]

two bridges going to two different places....


think "SURPRISE!"

oh yeah, one last thing, we are splitting the company in 2 parts, one will be named apple computers inc and the other iApple inc
thank you

[Chundles]

Has anyone not noticed the announcment image?

Apple always gives clues with it's announcements... And there have been rumors of OSX for non-apple hardware...


You're looking too far into it. The two bridges are for the two OS X platforms, Mac and iPhone.

[queshy]

I predict about 1 hr 15 minutes will be for demoing 2.0 - all iPhone stuff. Very little will be said about the Mac. :mad:

[mneblett]

I think we're going to have to wait until later this month before we can get our hands on the new phone(s). I suspect the release date is closely tied to the "no vacation" period for the store employees -- I can't remember the start date, but IIRC, it was about a week later.

[SchneiderMan]

those two bridges represent the two versions of the new iphones..
some apple store mabager said that there will be 2 version of the iphone

[Analog Kid]

I haven't followed all of the iPhone case threads, so sorry if this has been gone over, but I'd kinda like to see an iPhone with an enclosure more similar to the MBA. Solid, brushed metal, tapered to the sides.

If they're going plastic though, it's gotta be because of RF reception needs, what with up to 4 antennas in there.

I predict about 1 hr 15 minutes will be for demoing 2.0 - all iPhone stuff. Very little will be said about the Mac. :mad:

Depends on how you spin 1:15 of talking about OS X now running two distinct platforms. Personally, I would see that as being about the Mac. It's an impressive mainstreaming of the Mac OS.

It also gives all those Mac developers in the audience more opportunities to make a living without being forced to dirty themselves with C#.

[ingenious]

GPS and 3G are good... what about 802.11n and video conferencing? I think iChat AV could spring to life with an iPhone counterpart...

[kitki83]

Has there rumors about updated Apple monitors? Just wondering since they are going green with other screens I would think they would do the same?

[bretm]

Well if you believe the images, its thinner and tapered exactly like the air. But it won't be brushed metal. Apple doesn't have any brushed metal products. Where'd you see a brushed metal product?


I haven't followed all of the iPhone case threads, so sorry if this has been gone over, but I'd kinda like to see an iPhone with an a more similar to the MBA. Solid, brushed metal, tapered to the sides.

If they're going plastic though, it's gotta be because of RF reception needs, what with up to 4 antennas in there.



Depends on how you spin 1:15 of talking about OS X now running two distinct platforms. Personally, I would see that as being about the Mac. It's an impressive mainstreaming of the Mac OS.

It also gives all those Mac developers in the audience more opportunities to make a living without being forced to dirty themselves with C#.

[Rocketman]

Don't forget that besides iPhone 2.0 software for both old and new iPhones, we are looking at MacOS 10.5.3 just released, iPhone 2 hardware announcements and notably a worldwide hardware and service rollout, an update to .Mac that Steve has been hyping for a year now, a likely iPhone nano or non-nano, depending on what rumor you like best, and the oft not discussed Apple TV that will now compete with Netflix streaming with as yet announced features and schemes.

Then there is the new iTunes App store for iPhone users, the iTunes movie and rental download for same and Macs too, and "Snow Leopard", which depending on how you view it is a Windows 7 replacement or simply a gross simplifcation of 10.5 rebranded as 10.6.

How many Golden Gate bridges?

Rocketman

[aafuss1]

Apple hasn't set up a redirect for me.com or mobileme.com-for me.com, it still says:
"The site you are trying to reach has moved.

This page can now be found at http://www.snappville.com

Please update your bookmarks. You can click on the link above to go to that site now."

And Multi-Edit and my company are the first to use "Mobile Me"-hopefully Apple will license the name.

New displays were launched at the 2004 WWDC-even though WWDC is developer focused, sometimes new hardware is launched (think the G5, Mac Pro).

What we won't see at WWDC:

Will the laptos be updated-no? Montevina has been delayed in shipments.

Mac mini and iLife/iWork '09-perhaps at a event like last year's August launch for the iMac.

Blu-ray-possible, but Apple still hasn't updated DVD Studio Pro to support that.

[stagi]

Great write up, I am really looking forward to monday. Who knows what it will being but I am sure something great that I will want to buy :)

[chickenninja]

way to downplay the tablet potential, ya know the ipod touch is a form of mobile tablet. no osx but still. so i wouldnt expect it to be too ridiculous to see a tablet surface, especially since ipod and macbooks are getting closer and closer to just that. when they merge it will be beautiful.

[chickenninja]

macbook pros have been stewing in their case design for an eternity and the apple displays have been surpassed by compettitors to the point that they are now in a medium-low performance bracket. i expect( and hope) to see some stirring in that department this wwdc. I put faith in apples secrecy, that the best of what is to come hasn't had so much as a rumor peep.

[chris.stone]

I expect WWDC will more than likely be this:

1. version 2.0 of the iPhone OS X released
2. iPhone SDK (Final version)
3. The App Store for iPhone and iPod Touch
4. .Mac revision
5. Sneak preview of OS X 10.6 (Intel only OS)
6. 3G iPhone (announcement and preview)

I'm guessing the Apple 3G iPhone will launch on June 27th (a year after the iPhone). It will be announced at WWDC and will appear on the Apple store to pre-order. WWDC will allow Developers and delegates to "play" with the iPhone and then start thinking about the possibilities of what can be done with the iPhone SDK.

The plainly obvious reason for this is the fact that there has been no stories about Apple stores or phone outlets receiving Apple iPhone's. Do we remember the stories that circulated with the iPhone launch about deliveries...

Think it through. If the 3G iPhone was to go on sale, Monday or Friday even, stores would of had deliveries by now and staff at them would be having training on them. There would already be pictures of the "un-boxing" online and pictures of the phone.

I will expect deliveries to stores will start tomorrow and it will be another two weeks so staff can have training and chance for a marketing blitz before the launch. WWDC 2008 makes a perfect cover for this as all eyes will be there and not any where else...

And please remember that WWDC is not about new hardware launches primarily. Its a developers conference for Apple software and exhibition for new technologies.

SO NO NEW MACBOOKS!

[Telp]

I expect WWDC will more than likely be this:

1. version 2.0 of the iPhone OS X released
2. iPhone SDK (Final version)
3. The App Store for iPhone and iPod Touch
4. .Mac revision
5. Sneak preview of OS X 10.6 (Intel only OS)
6. 3G iPhone (announcement and preview)


I heard 10.6 would work on PPC too. :confused: Perplexing, lookings like we should all just wait for WWDC tomorrow :rolleyes:.

[akira117]

No Macbook / MacBook Pro mention?? :(

Not even a Mac hardware mention whatsoever.... :(

...I fear this may be a boring and unimpressive WWDC for non-iPhone users...

Yea this is pretty disappointing, good thing this isn't the real wwdc stuff

[trevorlsciact]

So what if the design is six years old? It's timeless. If you don't understand why the design doesn't need to be changed, then you shouldn't complain about the fact that it hasn't.

If you don't understand why the design needs to be changed, then you shouldn't complain about the fact it needs to.
:rolleyes:

really, don't use circular logic, its stupid, annoying, and may "win" arguments, but certainly doesn't fool anyone.

[triskadecaepyon]

Just caught wind of some talk about laptop bags being handed out at the WWDC registration - they are over 20 inches wide. Specs are that they are 20.5" to 21" long and are less than an inch thick on the inside. Your guess is as good as mine as to what they are though :/. Either that or they have some very elaborate plan to fool the WWDC members.

So that leaves several options here:

widescreen macbook air or macbook pro (20 inches long, not across) or
widescreen cinema display but very thin (highly unlikely, but just guessing)

I doubt that tablet would be considered at this point :/

Dang, I really hope apple is going to surprise us with something cool!

Anyone have any better guesses as to what the bags are for?

[Tallest Skil]

If you don't understand why the design needs to be changed, then you shouldn't complain about the fact it needs to.
:rolleyes:

really, don't use circular logic, its stupid, annoying, and may "win" arguments, but certainly doesn't fool anyone.

Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

If it wins arguments, how does it not "fool" people?

Another example: The Mac Pro. People want a case redesign for that. Unless it brings anything to the table in the way of functionality, it does NOT need a case redesign. It's a workstation computer and isn't there to look pretty. It's there to be a frigtastic powerhouse.

I would like to see a magnetic latch on the MacBook Pro case. Other than that, a redesign could not bring anything useful to the line.

"Ooh! Tapered edges! Ooh! Chicklet keyboard!" Come off it.

The original aluminum PowerBook design won awards for one reason: It's STILL ahead of its time. Nothing in the industry matches it in terms of industrial design or bendage of the laws of physics (meaning, find me a 1" thick Wintel laptop made of any metal and weight comparable to a MacBook Pro).

The MacBooks and iMacs are there to be "pretty". Their purpose somewhat requires a case redesign to keep them "fresh".
The MacBook Pros and Mac Pros are there to get work done. Their aesthetics take a back seat to this. If you disagree, we're back to my original argument.

[mAc-warrior]

Just caught wind of some talk about laptop bags being handed out at the WWDC registration - they are over 20 inches wide. Specs are that they are 20.5" to 21" long and are less than an inch thick on the inside. Your guess is as good as mine as to what they are though :/. Either that or they have some very elaborate plan to fool the WWDC members.

So that leaves several options here:

widescreen macbook air or macbook pro (20 inches long, not across) or


I'm calling upgraded MBPs with the addition of a 20" model! If they are indeed laptop bags then I will be very happy indeed. What sources have you for this juicy info?

--mAc

[jsbarone]

Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

If it wins arguments, how does it not "fool" people?

Another example: The Mac Pro. People want a case redesign for that. Unless it brings anything to the table in the way of functionality, it does NOT need a case redesign. It's a workstation computer and isn't there to look pretty. It's there to be a frigtastic powerhouse.

I would like to see a magnetic latch on the MacBook Pro case. Other than that, a redesign could not bring anything useful to the line.

"Ooh! Tapered edges! Ooh! Chicklet keyboard!" Come off it.

The original aluminum PowerBook design won awards for one reason: It's STILL ahead of its time. Nothing in the industry matches it in terms of industrial design or bendage of the laws of physics (meaning, find me a 1" thick Wintel laptop made of any metal and weight comparable to a MacBook Pro).

I LOLd at your way-off interpretation of Apples engineering and design team. They are after FORM and FUNCTION. With what you mentioned about the MP, Apple might as well put the guts in a 90's beige pc case. As long it works, looks don't matter right? Wrong. The MBA is the perfect example of Apple putting design VERY high on their list of priorities. People don't want a stationwagon that does 200mph, and while the MBP is no stationwagon it could use a design refresh. Apple WILL do it----it's only a matter of time.

[jsbarone]

Just caught wind of some talk about laptop bags being handed out at the WWDC registration - they are over 20 inches wide. Specs are that they are 20.5" to 21" long and are less than an inch thick on the inside. Your guess is as good as mine as to what they are though :/. Either that or they have some very elaborate plan to fool the WWDC members.

So that leaves several options here:

widescreen macbook air or macbook pro (20 inches long, not across) or
widescreen cinema display but very thin (highly unlikely, but just guessing)

I doubt that tablet would be considered at this point :/

Dang, I really hope apple is going to surprise us with something cool!

Anyone have any better guesses as to what the bags are for?

the fanboy in me prays for them to be for a MBP redesign, but it could be anything. Apple branded swag isn't unusual is it?

[Sky Blue]

Anyone have any better guesses as to what the bags are for?

your imagination?

[louden]

Whoa, man! It is a beautiful day in San Francisco! mid 60's and sunny. Can't beat it!

Looks like the weather will be like this for the whole week. Lucky I brought plenty of shorts.

Maybe I should go sign in for the conference...

[Tallest Skil]

I LOLd at your way-off interpretation of Apples engineering and design team. They are after FORM and FUNCTION.

Sorry, perhaps I came across wrong...

Design is absolutely one of Apple's top priorities. Occasionally, power takes a backseat to a product's design. Case (no pun intended) in point: the iMac. It's a desktop that uses laptop parts because the case is too small to proffer adequate cooling. I'm not saying that Apple doesn't care about the design of their professional computers; heavens, no. All that I was trying to say is that when it comes to personal computers, function follows form, and when it comes to professional computers, form follows function.

Put another way, Apple compromises potential power in the MacBooks and iMacs in exchange for kick-awesome cases. For the MacBook, that means no dedicated graphics, and for the iMac that means laptop processors.

With their professional machines, Apple has been shown to care less about updating their designs, as looking good is not their main purpose. Certainly, the shells of both the Mac Pro and the MacBook Pro are impeccably designed, and as they have worked so well for every technology that has been thrown at them, Apple has not seen fit to change them. This is why the MacBook Pro still uses what is arguably the exact case as the aluminum PowerBook G4 from six years ago, and the Mac Pro uses a case that is five years old this month. The primary goal of Apple's professional machines is to provide enormous amounts of power while fulfilling the secondary goal of looking good.

This is the distinction that I was trying to make in the argument for the necessity of a MacBook Pro case redesign. I am very open to little enhancements, (a magnetic latch, for one) but do not want to see large amounts of R&D spent on a total redesign of a case that has stood the test of time for over half a decade.

Forgive the length of this post; I have italicized my major points and hope that this clarifies my reasoning as to why a case redesign for redesign's sake is not the purpose of the MacBook Pro.

[triskadecaepyon]

I'm calling upgraded MBPs with the addition of a 20" model! If they are indeed laptop bags then I will be very happy indeed. What sources have you for this juicy info?

--mAc

Got two calls from two of my friends who just did check in for WWDC. I thought it was a joke after the first one until the other guy called me and said he got the same thing. I hope apple isn't playing tricks with us on this one though :(

We'll see if I'm right or not tomorrow. Even then, I'm still darned excited.

[triskadecaepyon]

the fanboy in me prays for them to be for a MBP redesign, but it could be anything. Apple branded swag isn't unusual is it?

The weird dimensions had me thrown off. I thought they said a 20inch screen at first, but then he said 20 inches LONG. This has me very confused as to what the heck its really supposed to house.

[Tallest Skil]

Just caught wind of some talk about laptop bags being handed out at the WWDC registration - they are over 20 inches wide. Specs are that they are 20.5" to 21" long and are less than an inch thick on the inside.

Call to anyone at WWDC: POST PICTURES OF THIS BAG.

Man, we're getting desperate... :p This could be a 19" MacBook Pro, though...

[infinateloop]

New Cinema Displays perhaps? It's been a long time.

[triskadecaepyon]

New Cinema Displays perhaps? It's been a long time.

All LED backlit would be badass!

[AC773]

Call to anyone at WWDC: POST PICTURES OF THIS BAG.

Man, we're getting desperate... :p This could be a 19" MacBook Pro, though...

I just measured my 17" Powerbook...it's just 15" long. Whatever fits in the bag, it has to be HUGE!

P.S. - Both fingers crossed for a significant Mac Mini update. :)

[SchneiderMan]

sorry, but what bag are you talking about here guys??

[Tallest Skil]

sorry, but what bag are you talking about here guys??

People checking into WWDC are getting them. 20" wide and 1" thick...

[SchneiderMan]

People checking into WWDC are getting them. 20" wide and 1" thick...

oh YEY! :D you know what that means right??

EDIT: just did some research, and this is what they got last year :

its a WWDC 2007 Registration Goodie Bag, Oh Goodie :rolleyes:

[aaple]

oh YEY! :D you know what that means right??

No... what are you implying? 21" wide is like a 24" screen size. No way they'd make a laptop that big, would they?

I'm intensely curious now, however. If it did mean new MBPs, that would make me quite happy...

[Tallest Skil]

oh YEY! :D you know what that means right??


Oh, I know what it means... 24" MacBook Pro, baby.

[SchneiderMan]

Oh, I know what it means... 24" MacBook Pro, baby.

now wtf is this "Biography:
6'1", average build, curly black-brown hair with natural white highlights (read: kick-awesome white hairs here and there) " who cares?? ROFL

[Tallest Skil]

now wtf is this "Biography:
6'1", average build, curly black-brown hair with natural white highlights (read: kick-awesome white hairs here and there) " who cares?? ROFL

That's how it is...

"ROFL" at the fact that you're actually reading it... :p I'm pretty sure you're the first one to have read it, much less commented on it. I throw dry wit into virtually every conversation... I don't here because I want to be taken seriously. Wait...

[SchneiderMan]

That's how it is...

"ROFL" at the fact that you're actually reading it... :p

whateves, btw its not white hairs but gray... :eek:

[Tallest Skil]

whateves, btw its not white hairs but gray... :eek:

No, they're white. They have shiny parts along their length.

I'm only eighteen, but I've had them for years... stress?

You made me pull out a good one for that. I hope you're happy.:p

[aswitcher]

oh YEY! :D you know what that means right??

EDIT: just did some research, and this is what they got last year :

its a WWDC 2007 Registration Goodie Bag, Oh Goodie :rolleyes:

Not bad.

[SchneiderMan]

No, they're white. They have shiny parts along their length.

I'm only eighteen, but I've had them for years... stress?

You made me pull out a good one for that. I hope you're happy.:p

lol i was thinking your like 40.. im 19 and i have 1-2 (gray) hairs ;), you say white i say gray because thats what it really is, it may look white but its not really.. just got with it

p.s if your looking to pick up girls here with your bio thingy, then good luck i dont think there are any here FYI lol

[jsbarone]

lol i was thinking your like 40.. im 19 and i have 1-2 (gray) hairs ;), you say white i say gray because thats what it really is, it may look white but its not really.. just got with it

p.s if your looking to pick up girls here with your bio thingy, then good luck i dont think there are any here FYI lol

This thread has officially jumped the shark. :(

[Tallest Skil]

This thread has officially jumped the shark. :(

Yeah, sorry about that. :p Look on the bright side: We don't need it anymore.

[cfountain72]

Might be reading too much into it, but the two Golden Gate Bridges in the picture would seem to be a metaphor for something. Perhaps porting OS X to run on Windows machines? That would also correlate with the banners that say 'OS X' without the 'Mac.' That would be a 'landmark' decision.

Peace be with you.

Oops...just saw back on Page 6 that this was already suggested. So, then I 2nd his suggestion.

[queshy]

I predict about 1 hr 15 minutes will be for demoing 2.0 - all iPhone stuff. Very little will be said about the Mac. :mad:

Ah! I was very right!

[koobcamuk]

No, they're white. They have shiny parts along their length.

I'm only eighteen, but I've had them for years... stress?

You made me pull out a good one for that. I hope you're happy.:p

They're grey. Same as white. Not stress. You'll be all white one day soon.