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joejoejoe
Jun 12, 2008, 11:49 PM
As stupid as this logic is, a lot of people choose to stay with blackberry phones solely because of BBM. It has a way better interface for texting and in all actuality makes people feel exclusive and cool for being in the blackberry club...

that said, I think Apple could draw a good chunk of customers if they offered, or a third party offered an app similar to BBM for the iPhone. With the push notification Apple will be offering I think this could work really really well.

What would they call it? iPhone Instant Messenger? Apple iPhone Messenger (haha).



wako
Jun 13, 2008, 12:06 AM
As stupid as this logic is, a lot of people choose to stay with blackberry phones solely because of BBM. It has a way better interface for texting and in all actuality makes people feel exclusive and cool for being in the blackberry club...

that said, I think Apple could draw a good chunk of customers if they offered, or a third party offered an app similar to BBM for the iPhone. With the push notification Apple will be offering I think this could work really really well.

What would they call it? iPhone Instant Messenger? Apple iPhone Messenger (haha).


I actually find BBM really stupid. I dont use it and I dont know anyone who really use it either who have blackberries. I personally just hid the application because you could only talk to BB users. If someone who didnt have it, you were screwed. Instead I found JiveTalk (a 3rd party IM client) to be much more useful. I can talk to anyone online :)


I got all my friends who had BB to use it with me :)

DreamPod
Jun 13, 2008, 12:07 AM
For those of us without Blackberries, what the hell is BBM?

LoganT
Jun 13, 2008, 12:12 AM
For those of us without Blackberries, what the hell is BBM?

Blackberry Messenger.

Drumjim85
Jun 13, 2008, 12:16 AM
I'd rather have an IM client that was closed off to one format. (like meebo)

wako
Jun 13, 2008, 03:53 AM
Blackberry Messenger.



its a Blackberry messenger which is only ment to message blackberries. The messages are pushed, but its kind of stupid when instant messaging is already by itself instant. so really it just becomes simply a messenger to blackberry users who can only talk amoung themselves. what makes this dumber is that you need the other BB user to give them your unique PIN to add them, much like the Wii. So getting a lot of contacts on BBM is nearly impossible unless you are in the corporate world

joejoejoe
Jun 15, 2008, 10:34 PM
its a Blackberry messenger which is only ment to message blackberries. The messages are pushed, but its kind of stupid when instant messaging is already by itself instant. so really it just becomes simply a messenger to blackberry users who can only talk amoung themselves. what makes this dumber is that you need the other BB user to give them your unique PIN to add them, much like the Wii. So getting a lot of contacts on BBM is nearly impossible unless you are in the corporate world

I agree that its dumb but it definitely has a major following, especially among teens and people in their 20's.

Around my college campus there are loads of people that have upwards of 70/80 contacts, some going over 100.

It's gotten to the point where people don't ask for numbers anymore, just pins.

JBaker122586
Jun 15, 2008, 10:47 PM
I agree that its dumb but it definitely has a major following, especially among teens and people in their 20's.

Around my college campus there are loads of people that have upwards of 70/80 contacts, some going over 100.

It's gotten to the point where people don't ask for numbers anymore, just pins.

Huh? I do not know a single person at my college that has a BlackBerry.

wako
Jun 15, 2008, 11:15 PM
yeah seriously what college do you go to?

joejoejoe
Jun 17, 2008, 03:14 AM
USC.

they are ubiquitous around here.

rjharary
Jul 11, 2008, 09:18 AM
This is the one thing holding me back from iPhone, If you've used it you know, it does matter.

phoneguru
Jul 15, 2008, 01:10 PM
I've only been using BBM for a few months now and it's amazing. Yes it keeps all conversations together just like the iphone but it also says when the message was delivered and read.

I'm waiting for someone to write an iphone app that allows the iphone to text directly to BBM. This would be a sick app. Especially for people obsessed with the BB.

Thesubstitute
Jun 9, 2009, 11:39 PM
Actually, I have been using the blackberry for about 3 years and the BBM service is amazing for reasons that many people don't realize. Most service providers charge for instant messages like text messages so if you don't have unlimited text you're screwed. BBM does not get charged. I think that is why students want to use it! Secondly, even if you have a work blackberry (like I used to the messages are run through the RIM server and not the carrier (Sprint, Tmobile) thus cannot not be monitored by your company. Lastly, it does keep all the messages organized like a text conversation in iphone adn stores it as one conversation instead of a series of texts....

Now, I've had to leave by company and really want a new iphone but that BBM is going to be hard to give up. My girlfriend has a blackberry and doesn't have unlimited text so our conversations would now cost us money on the iphone...

Is there nothing like that?!

dancavallaro
Jun 22, 2009, 06:37 AM
Is there nothing like that?!

Use one of the dozens of instant messenger apps that use any one of a number of protocols (AIM, Jabber, Google Talk, Yahoo Messenger, Facebook, etc)? These do not use up your SMS quota, they only use data.

gloss
Jun 22, 2009, 07:12 AM
Actually, I have been using the blackberry for about 3 years and the BBM service is amazing for reasons that many people don't realize. Most service providers charge for instant messages like text messages so if you don't have unlimited text you're screwed. BBM does not get charged. I think that is why students want to use it! Secondly, even if you have a work blackberry (like I used to the messages are run through the RIM server and not the carrier (Sprint, Tmobile) thus cannot not be monitored by your company. Lastly, it does keep all the messages organized like a text conversation in iphone adn stores it as one conversation instead of a series of texts....

Now, I've had to leave by company and really want a new iphone but that BBM is going to be hard to give up. My girlfriend has a blackberry and doesn't have unlimited text so our conversations would now cost us money on the iphone...

Is there nothing like that?!

As previously stated, buy an IM app and just use that. Beejive and IM+ will both support Push notifications in the near future and they run on your data plan. Free messages!, not to mention that people on other platforms can talk to you as well.

Rat-Boy
Jun 22, 2009, 07:15 AM
Personally, I think BBM is stupid.

I had two Blackberries and I always hid the icon.

Why have a chat program that only works with one kind of phone?

jfulcher
Jun 22, 2009, 07:27 AM
its a Blackberry messenger which is only ment to message blackberries. The messages are pushed, but its kind of stupid when instant messaging is already by itself instant. so really it just becomes simply a messenger to blackberry users who can only talk amoung themselves. what makes this dumber is that you need the other BB user to give them your unique PIN to add them, much like the Wii. So getting a lot of contacts on BBM is nearly impossible unless you are in the corporate world

The reason they created BBM was two fold. One was at one point all IM clients on phones were SMS based. The second was most corporate networks don't allow IM clients. Some phones are configured by their BES to send all the traffic via the BES - even the internet traffic. So in this case this would be needed.

It is very possible to have a lot of contacts on BBM - I have 53 on mine. You DO NOT NEED THE PIN. So many people have this misconception. All you need is the primary email address for the device. You can add on BB messenger with that.

I'm sorry but BBM is far simpler and easy to use than any of the IM clients out for the iPhone so far. I'm hoping push changes that at least. Right now I carry a BB for work and the iPhone for personal use. However I speak to most of my friends via BB messenger - so it sucks I have to carry both phones 24/7.

As things stand right now the BB OWNS the iPhone in messaging & email. However the iPhone owns the BB in every other area - which is why I own both. :D I personally would hate only having either for many reasons and honestly BBM is one of them.

mark.mathew8877
Jul 19, 2009, 03:53 PM
I like blackberry phones only for BBM.If you have not used it you can not understand it's facility.As apple has brought latest technology at i phone i think they should develop some apps like BBM.That would be the best solution to divert blackberry users to i phone.

HarrisonB
Jul 19, 2009, 03:56 PM
iPhone SMS is better than BBM anyways

Prospekt
Jul 19, 2009, 04:02 PM
BBM is great. I didn't have to pay $20 a month for unlimited texting because everyone who I texted had BBM. I'm sure if apple had thought of the idea people would be talking about how brilliant it is.

HarrisonB
Jul 19, 2009, 04:05 PM
BBM is great. I didn't have to pay $20 a month for unlimited texting because everyone who I texted had BBM. I'm sure if apple had thought of the idea people would be talking about how brilliant it is.

annoying who uses BBM heavily has unlimited texts.

HarrisonB
Jul 19, 2009, 04:06 PM
BBM is great. I didn't have to pay $20 a month for unlimited texting because everyone who I texted had BBM. I'm sure if apple had thought of the idea people would be talking about how brilliant it is.

If apple thought of the idea it would look like ichat not windows 97

rapidblue
Aug 3, 2009, 01:17 PM
I used to LOVE my BB Messenger!!!

I've actually been looking around for an "iPhone version" to replace my BB Messenger...

Yes, a lot of ppl say we can just use regular IM clients but they usually log you after a predetermined time (usually 24hrs).
The best IM client I have found for this though is Yahoo Messenger (iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=309219097&mt=8)) because it keeps you logged in for up to 2 weeks!! Can also chat to your friends on their BBs if they have Yahoo Messenger too :D
I then also found some direct iPhone to iPhone apps that never log you off! Take a look at iPushIt (iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=319819339&mt=8)) or Messi.im (iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=323660462&mt=8)).
I also sent a mail to MoyoTalk (iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=288696971&mt=8)) regarding their app - they are expecting their new version to be approved any day now which will then support push and a bunch of new countries (for registration purposes). They are also planning a BB version - will then have a true BB Messenger between iPhones and BBs :D:D:D

mak10
Aug 3, 2009, 02:02 PM
I was a little jealous of my girlfriends BBM when she first got he blackberry because at the time all my friends had blackberries. Now most of them have the pre or the iPhone, with only a select few having the blackberry anymore.

As for an iPhone version of BBM, it would be cool if every phone had a unique "pin" like BBM does, but I find that using an IM client is just as good since with AIM you can send messages to your friends phones as texts, yet when you send and receive them from the IM client it uses data so you don't get charged texts.

jkb
Sep 10, 2009, 09:37 PM
http://itunes.com/app/whatsapp

we just added chat and app went live today. it is exactly like BBM but for iphone. in fact, it is even better since there is no PIN to exchange. will update itunes app store description and screen shots later.

note for special people: just like BBM requires the other party to have BBM, whatsapp requires the other party to also have whatsapp.

ziggie216
Oct 5, 2009, 03:48 PM
Check out Ping! for iPhone


Though it would be nice to create an app to msg BBM from iPhone

Caris
Oct 5, 2009, 04:52 PM
Search for "Ping!" in the App store, It's the exact same thing.

Eric8199
Oct 5, 2009, 10:13 PM
My wife and I are using Ping. It does a really nice job. Although I've never used BBM, it seems pretty similar to what everyone is describing, and it's free.

itsapearl
Dec 26, 2009, 11:13 AM
USC.

they are ubiquitous around here.



FSU - 75% of people have either a BB or an iphone, and EVERYONE with BB uses BBM.

Vandam500
Dec 26, 2009, 01:30 PM
I have Blipr:) You can send messages along with different sounds. Only costs .99. Link and my ID are in my signature!

FSMBP
Dec 26, 2009, 05:33 PM
iPhone SMS is better than BBM anyways

SMS isn't free. The idea that you can 'text' any iPhone user for free is the equivalent of BBM - which would be amazing. No need for signing up for IM clients or worrying that your friend has that IM client app installed. Just give out a your cellphone number and it will show an iPhone icon by the contact.

The only true way to get a BBM experience for the iPhone is through Apple. It has to be made by Apple. Go submit feedback to Apple for the iPhone.

Why wouldn't you want that feature? Even if you didn't use it, you would rather not have an option? That sounds completely asinine.

screensaver400
Dec 26, 2009, 10:13 PM
SMS isn't free. The idea that you can 'text' any iPhone user for free is the equivalent of BBM - which would be amazing.

BBM uses the BlackBerry's data plan, just like third-party IM applications on iPhone. Why create a system that only iPhone owners can use--doesn't that limit it, locking people in?

No need for signing up for IM clients or worrying that your friend has that IM client app installed.


You can't message another user on BBM with their phone number, AFAIK. You have to use their phone's unique PIN number. The big downside is that if you get a replacement BlackBerry, everyone has to re-add you to their BBM.

That's not an elegant solution. This means you need a non-device specific user identifier. Like, you know, an IM username.

The only true way to get a BBM experience for the iPhone is through Apple. It has to be made by Apple. Go submit feedback to Apple for the iPhone.


Apple would almost certainly create such a system using MobileMe. So, essentially, you want Apple to make iChat (an IM client) for iPhone; it would be installed and activated by default.

Why wouldn't you want that feature? Even if you didn't use it, you would rather not have an option? That sounds completely asinine.

We already have the option. It's called the App Store. There are plenty of good IM clients. They can be improved, sure, but that's a problem with the client, not the protocol. Creating a new iPhone-to-iPhone only IM protocol would not be a good idea. It would probably be popular, and I'd probably use it, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Honestly, the best idea would for MMS, with its larger capacity, to replace SMS, and for MMS messages to be included in a data plan (since MMS uses data anyway). The MMS protocol is installed by default on every modern cell phone, on iPhone SMS/MMS supports BBM style threading, and it supports the "just enter the phone number" feature you propose.

The second best idea would be a new iChat program, installed by default. But that has a bunch of problems. What if an iPhone user doesn't have MobileMe? Would it use straight AIM (which is what MobileMe uses anyway)? What if a new user doesn't enter his AIM username?

It gets sticky. BBM does, again, require the two users to exchange PIN numbers, which is an 8 (IIRC) character alphanumeric code. So, a user has to email his PIN to the other user. How is that different from sending an email saying "I'm on AIM: myimhandle?"

I dunno. I love the BBM client, but I don't think we need a new protocol, just a better client.

Mikey B
Dec 27, 2009, 01:59 PM
BBM uses the BlackBerry's data plan, just like third-party IM applications on iPhone. Why create a system that only iPhone owners can use--doesn't that limit it, locking people in?



You can't message another user on BBM with their phone number, AFAIK. You have to use their phone's unique PIN number. The big downside is that if you get a replacement BlackBerry, everyone has to re-add you to their BBM.

That's not an elegant solution. This means you need a non-device specific user identifier. Like, you know, an IM username.



Apple would almost certainly create such a system using MobileMe. So, essentially, you want Apple to make iChat (an IM client) for iPhone; it would be installed and activated by default.



We already have the option. It's called the App Store. There are plenty of good IM clients. They can be improved, sure, but that's a problem with the client, not the protocol. Creating a new iPhone-to-iPhone only IM protocol would not be a good idea. It would probably be popular, and I'd probably use it, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Honestly, the best idea would for MMS, with its larger capacity, to replace SMS, and for MMS messages to be included in a data plan (since MMS uses data anyway). The MMS protocol is installed by default on every modern cell phone, on iPhone SMS/MMS supports BBM style threading, and it supports the "just enter the phone number" feature you propose.

The second best idea would be a new iChat program, installed by default. But that has a bunch of problems. What if an iPhone user doesn't have MobileMe? Would it use straight AIM (which is what MobileMe uses anyway)? What if a new user doesn't enter his AIM username?

It gets sticky. BBM does, again, require the two users to exchange PIN numbers, which is an 8 (IIRC) character alphanumeric code. So, a user has to email his PIN to the other user. How is that different from sending an email saying "I'm on AIM: myimhandle?"

I dunno. I love the BBM client, but I don't think we need a new protocol, just a better client.

Just wanted to add that you don't exclusively need a PIN to connect with someone on BBM. Their email and I think username work as well.

I would love to see something like BBM on the iPhone. A constant state of connection with your contacts that uses data would be a great addition to the iPlatform, IMO. BBM is much like an IM client and a little like Twitter/FB (status updates) and I think it could take the iPhone world by storm now that Apple's phone has become so ubiquitous.

FSMBP
Dec 27, 2009, 02:13 PM
BBM uses the BlackBerry's data plan, just like third-party IM applications on iPhone. Why create a system that only iPhone owners can use--doesn't that limit it, locking people in?



You can't message another user on BBM with their phone number, AFAIK. You have to use their phone's unique PIN number. The big downside is that if you get a replacement BlackBerry, everyone has to re-add you to their BBM.

That's not an elegant solution. This means you need a non-device specific user identifier. Like, you know, an IM username.



Apple would almost certainly create such a system using MobileMe. So, essentially, you want Apple to make iChat (an IM client) for iPhone; it would be installed and activated by default.



We already have the option. It's called the App Store. There are plenty of good IM clients. They can be improved, sure, but that's a problem with the client, not the protocol. Creating a new iPhone-to-iPhone only IM protocol would not be a good idea. It would probably be popular, and I'd probably use it, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Honestly, the best idea would for MMS, with its larger capacity, to replace SMS, and for MMS messages to be included in a data plan (since MMS uses data anyway). The MMS protocol is installed by default on every modern cell phone, on iPhone SMS/MMS supports BBM style threading, and it supports the "just enter the phone number" feature you propose.

The second best idea would be a new iChat program, installed by default. But that has a bunch of problems. What if an iPhone user doesn't have MobileMe? Would it use straight AIM (which is what MobileMe uses anyway)? What if a new user doesn't enter his AIM username?

It gets sticky. BBM does, again, require the two users to exchange PIN numbers, which is an 8 (IIRC) character alphanumeric code. So, a user has to email his PIN to the other user. How is that different from sending an email saying "I'm on AIM: myimhandle?"

I dunno. I love the BBM client, but I don't think we need a new protocol, just a better client.

My point was that yes you download 100s of Apps, but not everyone uses the same IM protocol. So if Apple implemented one for iPhone, users wouldn't need to sign up for screennames. And we'd get first party app benefits such as running in the background or other cool features.

Also, you can just use your phone number. No screenames, PINS. So when you have a friend who has an iPhone ICON by their name (if they allowed the privacy feature) you can do a iPhone-Text-Chat to them. You won't waste a text and since you have mandatory data, it will just go through that.

And why would you only want to chat with only iPhone users? Because why would Apple spend time/money to create something for every other phone in the market? It would just be a special-iChat for iPhones. If you want to talk to non-iPhone friends, use a text. It would all be in one app, texting/iPhone Text Chatting (like the Palm Pre).

I just don't get why people like less options. Even if you're never going to use this feature, why would you NOT want the option? Options are nice and give people choice.

thetexan
Dec 27, 2009, 02:15 PM
I love the way Android OS integrates with Google Talk. It reminds me a lot of BBM except better because I can message anyone with a GTalk account regardless of how they're logged into the service.

BBM is overrated for the fact it's limited only to other BB users. Apple would be stupid to integrate a BBM like application that is exclusive only to iPhone users. Instead Apple needs to work on a better notification system to catch up with Android or WebOS then let users install the messaging client of their choice (AOL, MSN, GTalk, Yahoo) and use push to notify users of messages.

Mikey B
Dec 27, 2009, 02:54 PM
Instead Apple needs to work on a better notification system to catch up with Android or WebOS then let users install the messaging client of their choice (AOL, MSN, GTalk, Yahoo) and use push to notify users of messages.

So true. I think that notifications are the biggest fail of all on the iPhone. I can't figure out why Apple hasn't tried to improve on this but it just doesn't seem to be a priority. And no, Push Notifications are not the same thing. That is a very pale and obtrusive substitute for true notifications.

Apple could definitely take a cue from Android or WebOS and even the BB OS in this area. It's one of the biggest reasons I'm always keeping my eye out for a phone to replace my iPhone. Just haven't found one good enough yet.

Jpoon
Dec 27, 2009, 03:50 PM
FSU - 75% of people have either a BB or an iphone, and EVERYONE with BB uses BBM.

Most people in Memphis hate BBM. We just text each other. I had a previous gen curve for Sprint and then a Bold for a while. Hated BBM. I had about 20~ or so friends with BlackBerry's. If the iPhone just had a non buggy IM client I'd be set.

Vandam500
Dec 27, 2009, 03:56 PM
So true. I think that notifications are the biggest fail of all on the iPhone. I can't figure out why Apple hasn't tried to improve on this but it just doesn't seem to be a priority. And no, Push Notifications are not the same thing. That is a very pale and obtrusive substitute for true notifications.

Apple could definitely take a cue from Android or WebOS and even the BB OS in this area. It's one of the biggest reasons I'm always keeping my eye out for a phone to replace my iPhone. Just haven't found one good enough yet.

I agree with everything you said. Yes we finally have Push Notifications but the iPhone OS definetely needs a notification bar. The Android and WebOS are impressive to me because of how they deal with notifications. I am pretty confident that OS 4.0 will concentrate on the notifications and multi-tasking and if not it will be a big fail imo.

Rodimus Prime
Dec 27, 2009, 03:56 PM
So true. I think that notifications are the biggest fail of all on the iPhone. I can't figure out why Apple hasn't tried to improve on this but it just doesn't seem to be a priority. And no, Push Notifications are not the same thing. That is a very pale and obtrusive substitute for true notifications.

Apple could definitely take a cue from Android or WebOS and even the BB OS in this area. It's one of the biggest reasons I'm always keeping my eye out for a phone to replace my iPhone. Just haven't found one good enough yet.

So true. It is a wonder that apple has not at least put that info on the lock screen because it is very basic. On the bb it is all across the top. It gives you the count of unread message, sms, vm, and then some apps will put notification up there. Apple could easily put them across the top of the iphone on the home screen as well.

Vandam500
Dec 27, 2009, 03:57 PM
Most people in Memphis hate BBM. We just text each other. I had a previous gen curve for Sprint and then a Bold for a while. Hated BBM. I had about 20~ or so friends with BlackBerry's. If the iPhone just had a non buggy IM client I'd be set.

What do you mean "if it had a non buggy IM client". Have you tried BeejiveIM? I've had it for so long and its no where near buggy. It's perfect to be honest. What are you waiting for? Go get it:p

lefooey
Dec 27, 2009, 04:10 PM
If you need true chat capability, there are a number of apps that support Google Chat, Yahoo Instant Messenger and AOL.

If you're just looking for the basic "guts" of Blackberry Messenger in an iPhone equivalent, try Ping! (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ping/id303612602?mt=8).

Mikey B
Dec 27, 2009, 04:18 PM
So true. It is a wonder that apple has not at least put that info on the lock screen because it is very basic. On the bb it is all across the top. It gives you the count of unread message, sms, vm, and then some apps will put notification up there. Apple could easily put them across the top of the iphone on the home screen as well.

Seriously. I don't get it either. I've never understood why Apple doesn't appreciate how useful it is to have data/information available at a quick glance. Lockinfo is a big reason to jailbreak. Not only could Apple easily implement this functionality, but I'm sure they could come up with an extremely innovative way to present the data.

I agree with everything you said. Yes we finally have Push Notifications but the iPhone OS definetely needs a notification bar. The Android and WebOS are impressive to me because of how they deal with notifications. I am pretty confident that OS 4.0 will concentrate on the notifications and multi-tasking and if not it will be a big fail imo.

I think you are spot on about 4.0. I'd bet the farm that those are going to be the 2 key new (and, unfortunately, probably only major new) features of 4.0. Bring it Apple.

LIVEFRMNYC
Dec 27, 2009, 06:32 PM
http://itunes.com/app/whatsapp

we just added chat and app went live today. it is exactly like BBM but for iphone. in fact, it is even better since there is no PIN to exchange. will update itunes app store description and screen shots later.

note for special people: just like BBM requires the other party to have BBM, whatsapp requires the other party to also have whatsapp.

This would work if it was included on every Iphone my default and backrounded like the ipod.

scaredpoet
Dec 27, 2009, 09:18 PM
My point was that yes you download 100s of Apps, but not everyone uses the same IM protocol.


Perhaps not, but all of the IM apps I've seen are compatible with all the Im protocols that are out there. So, it wouldn't matter.

The only IM protocol that is truly closed off is BBM.


I just don't get why people like less options.

I wonder the same thing. BBM gives you *less* options because you can only message other BB users and only if you know their PIN. Likewise, this would constrain you too.

Even if you're never going to use this feature, why would you NOT want the option?

Because the two are mutually exclusive. For such a system to work as BBM does, everyone has to opt into it. And I'd rather not.

If you really want BBM, get a Blackberry.

iLo0ods
Dec 31, 2009, 08:07 AM
Hello guys,
My first post on Mac Forums! :)

OK, I'm sure many of you already know this by know but the App Store released an App called pMessenger. I used to use a BB (God Forgive me) and i'm telling you this is 99% the same with the PIN number, ability to send files, voice, pics, etc. It even has a way to tell you when the other person is typing and if he received your message and if he read it... (little purple circle for received and green for read).

I highly recommened it if you like BBM the problem is trying to find friends etc who have iPhones too and convincing them to use it....

All the best!

K

sinsin07
Dec 31, 2009, 09:46 AM
Hello guys,
My first post on Mac Forums! :)

OK, I'm sure many of you already know this by know but the App Store released an App called pMessenger. I used to use a BB (God Forgive me) and i'm telling you this is 99% the same with the PIN number, ability to send files, voice, pics, etc. It even has a way to tell you when the other person is typing and if he received your message and if he read it... (little purple circle for received and green for read).

I highly recommened it if you like BBM the problem is trying to find friends etc who have iPhones too and convincing them to use it....

All the best!

K

Thanks, I'm partial to WhatsApp myself, no pin required. One point, I understand why some people don't understand these types of apps, why not just use an IM client. For me, I use it because of the fact I can see when someone is typing a response and for the delivery and read notifications. These features may not be attractive to some, but if you are trying to contact someone, there are times when a phone call can not be made. If you are in the tech support world, you know what I mean, you want to know someone is on the other end.

TheSquad
Jan 10, 2010, 03:07 PM
Thanks, I'm partial to WhatsApp myself, no pin required. One point, I understand why some people don't understand these types of apps, why not just use an IM client. For me, I use it because of the fact I can see when someone is typing a response and for the delivery and read notifications. These features may not be attractive to some, but if you are trying to contact someone, there are times when a phone call can not be made. If you are in the tech support world, you know what I mean, you want to know someone is on the other end.

I'm sure that whatsapp doesn't have the read notification, it only tells you when the user has received the message, but not when he read it. Only pMessenger and iMessenger has it.

I do prefer pMessenger (less expensive than iMessenger) than Whatsapp, because I do not want all my professional contact to see that I have WhatsApp and my status, I even asked Whatsapp to delete my phone number from their database.
The fact that you are giving all your contact phone numbers to whatsapp's server, isn't really secure. Do your contact are aware that you have shared their number without their approval ?
They don't even tell you that your are sharing numbers, that's really not something right !

jkb
Jan 10, 2010, 03:22 PM
I'm sure that whatsapp doesn't have the read notification, it only tells you when the user has received the message, but not when he read it. Only pMessenger and iMessenger has it.

I do prefer pMessenger

that is because you are involved and affiliated with pMessenger development. you should identify yourself as such in the future in the interest of full disclosure.


(less expensive than iMessenger) than Whatsapp, because I do not want all my professional contact to see that I have WhatsApp and my status, I even asked Whatsapp to delete my phone number from their database.
The fact that you are giving all your contact phone numbers to whatsapp's server, isn't really secure. Do your contact are aware that you have shared their number without their approval ?
They don't even tell you that your are sharing numbers, that's really not something right !

*sigh*

we went over this already: http://whatsapp.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/a-few-things/

why can't you just please go work on making pMessenger better instead of spending your time attacking other developers and their applications?

we really don't have time for this childish crap.

FSMBP
Jan 10, 2010, 08:12 PM
Perhaps not, but all of the IM apps I've seen are compatible with all the Im protocols that are out there. So, it wouldn't matter.

The only IM protocol that is truly closed off is BBM.




I wonder the same thing. BBM gives you *less* options because you can only message other BB users and only if you know their PIN. Likewise, this would constrain you too.



Because the two are mutually exclusive. For such a system to work as BBM does, everyone has to opt into it. And I'd rather not.

If you really want BBM, get a Blackberry.

Your logic is flawed. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can text a Blackberry user AND you can BBM them. And the point is, you don't sign up (or opt in).

Blackberry (RIM) can offer free unique messaging to its users because they pay a data fee hence the service not being offered to non-Blackberry users.

It's the same deal Verizon, ATT and Tmobile have; they offer unlimited minutes on calls to their network but not others. So, you're telling me you would forgo free minutes to calls on your own network just because you don't get free minutes to others?!

By adding a BBM-Style function into iPhone doesn't take away ANYTHING from what you currently have (in regards to your "BM gives you *less* options because you can only message other BB users and only if you know their PIN.")

Example: You and your friend have iPhones. You can freely message your one friend from the Messages application simply by sending a 'Apple Message' to their phone number (no PIN). It doesn't count as a text or anything (just like BBM doesn't) and you don't need to sign up and make usernames/passwords. Right there, it cuts your text bill. Even if you have other friends on non-iPhones, you still not be using as much texts.

So you're against saving money?

Again, you can argue "there are plenty of IM apps". Yes, but first party integration would take away unnecessary things like having to have that app, signing up, screen names, and making sure push notification is on.

TheSquad
Jan 11, 2010, 03:34 AM
that is because you are involved and affiliated with pMessenger development. you should identify yourself as such in the future in the interest of full disclosure.

we really don't have time for this childish crap.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not develop on iPhone anymore, I have made a try with one software, do not make enough money to continue. I'm just a fan of their work.

And i'm not saying that you (Whatsapp) are sharing numbers, i'm just saying that it should tell people that opening the software will send all their numbers to the server, exactly like facebook do on their new update (they do not try to hide it !)
Do not forget that most of users doesn't know how it works, and if they does they might not want to comply to that.

I can't bear the fact that people having my phone number without me having theirs can see all my status and send me message whenever they want without the ability for me to block them.

OutSpoken
Jan 11, 2010, 11:19 AM
Its been mentioned quite a bit in here, but some people are just refusing to acknowledge the facts..

1. BBM is free, even if it does use data...its very very very tiny amounts. It definitely doesnt get added to my bills.

2. You don't have to know the other users PIN to add them, you could use email address, phone number, sms name or even scan their barcode.

3. It's simple hassle free messaging without the longness of other IM clients, and the fact its a RIM preinstalled app makes it even better, therefore you don't have to worry about someone installing the same app... because correct me if im worong, but 'Whatsapp' users can not message say 'Ping' users?? if thats true, then the purpose is defeated.

djransom
Jan 11, 2010, 01:29 PM
Its been mentioned quite a bit in here, but some people are just refusing to acknowledge the facts..

1. BBM is free, even if it does use data...its very very very tiny amounts. It definitely doesnt get added to my bills.

2. You don't have to know the other users PIN to add them, you could use email address, phone number, sms name or even scan their barcode.

3. It's simple hassle free messaging without the longness of other IM clients, and the fact its a RIM preinstalled app makes it even better, therefore you don't have to worry about someone installing the same app... because correct me if im worong, but 'Whatsapp' users can not message say 'Ping' users?? if thats true, then the purpose is defeated.

BBM is free technically, but you have to pay for the BIS/BES data plan monthly in order to use the map. BBM 5 is not pre-installed unfortunately and must be downloaded from the app store in order to maximize the BBM experience.

OutSpoken
Jan 11, 2010, 07:56 PM
BBM is free technically, but you have to pay for the BIS/BES data plan monthly in order to use the map. BBM 5 is not pre-installed unfortunately and must be downloaded from the app store in order to maximize the BBM experience.

BIS is included in my monthly tariff, therefore I know what I'm paying every month, there's no hidden charges. I get "unlimited"
data, but really what good are these phones without a data plan anyway.

Also you are right, BBM 5 at present doesn't come pre installed on current blackberry handsets, however every bb STILL comes with a version of bbm which STILL works perfectly with the newer bbm5, so its irrelevant what version someone has, doesn't make the app useless plus it takes next to no time to download BBM5 from the bb app store for FREE straight from the handset.

Badandy
Jun 28, 2010, 02:04 AM
Idk if anyone's even gon read this since it's a YEAR old already but I recently found an iPhone app that's VERY similar to bbm! It's called Hello! Messenger .. It's available right now for iPhones & iPod touches --and it's FREE! They're planning to release the app to Blackberry & Android users as well (they're working on them right now).

1. It utilizes pin (although it's 7-digit as opposed to 8-digit like in bbm).
2. You can have group chats.
3. It will tell you when the messages are DELIVERED & READ.
4. You an customize how your contact name will appear to others.
5. You can set your own personal message/status by your name.
6. You can set a display picture from your phone.
7. You can send pictures, videos, & voice recordings to others.
7. OHHHH, & you can actually "sign out" or appear invisible if you don't wanna be bothered (in BBM, you can't do that).

The only thing it doesn't have that BBM has are
1. Emoticons.
2. Being able to save chat history (although you can always just print screen your iPhone if you wanna save a part of a convo right?).

Anyway, you guys should try it out. (y) :)
If you guys like it, you can probably try to convince other blackberry users to get Hello! messenger when it gets released to them ...

Could this be any more blatant? Disclose that you're affiliated with them and then have a dialogue with prospective users that isn't predicated on deceit.