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MacRumors
Feb 10, 2004, 09:38 AM
Apple's online store (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=9eASk0x48lo&subid=1&offerid=13301.1&type=10&tmpid=80&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Feducation%2Fk12%2Filifeandkeynote%2F&u1=macrumors) is now promoting that iLife '04 is now shipping with all new macs. (graphic (http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/484/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/cp_top_ilife_cpu_0206.jpg))

iLife '04 was announced at MacWorld San Francisco and has been shipping as a separate product since Jan 15, 2004 for current Mac owners. iLife '04 comes free with all new Macs.

Grimace
Feb 10, 2004, 09:46 AM
I missed it by 4 days and am not paying $19 just to ship it...

Le Big Mac
Feb 10, 2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by carletonmusic
I missed it by 4 days and am not paying $19 just to ship it...

Agreed it's pretty outrageous that new buyers have to pay $19 to get the programs they were "promised" back in Jan.

virividox
Feb 10, 2004, 09:50 AM
hooray

although its about bleeping time

Bilba
Feb 10, 2004, 09:51 AM
I believe the ad was up during the past 2 days.

Sonofhaig
Feb 10, 2004, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by carletonmusic
I missed it by 4 days and am not paying $19 just to ship it...

You made a computer purchase 4 days before ilife was released? :confused:

Digipimp
Feb 10, 2004, 09:56 AM
Yep I ordered a mac out the special deals section on Tuesday the 3rd, I got it this Saturday and it did have a copy of iLife 04 in it, in CD version and DVD version. Even though the Apple people told me it wouldn't be in there.

Trekkie
Feb 10, 2004, 10:11 AM
My sister ordered an iMac 17" around 5 days after Macworld. She didn't get it. I've told her to call and ask about it but she is the type that is happy with what she got compared to the plague ridden Windows box she had.

Applespider
Feb 10, 2004, 10:36 AM
Hmmm, got my first PB on 6 Jan (as soon as the keynote speech confirmed no new PBs)... it was a lemon so got a replacement one on 6 Feb. No iLife 04 in it tho.

Have just convinced my sister to buy an eMac, ordered on Saturday so hopefully should arrive with iLife 04 for her. If so, will use that instead of paying 'shipping' for another copy for myself...

And no, I wouldn't usually agree with 'borrowing' software but since I should have it anyway...

Grimace
Feb 10, 2004, 10:50 AM
It was a necessary purchase - and a week after Steve Jobs said that all macs would ship with iLife. Stupid fine print...

Ja Di ksw
Feb 10, 2004, 10:51 AM
maybe its just for macs you buy in Apple stores, but didn't it come with it before? My friend bought a pb 2 or 3 weeks ago in an Apple store, and it had the new iLife with garage band dvd and cd in it. . . . .

montecristo
Feb 10, 2004, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Macrumors
.....iLife '04 comes free with all new Macs.

The big question is "Where ARE the new macs?!?" I'm still waiting for those rumored upgrades. But what else is new.

I think Apple wasn't able to keep it's MWSF promise of all macs shipping with iLife'04 because people like us were all waiting for the upgrades and held off on purchases and that slowed down the sell-down of inventory and the new macs with iLife couldn't get into the stores soon enough.

Oh well. At least, better late than never. And better Mac than not.:)

Localcelebrity
Feb 10, 2004, 11:02 AM
great, now if they could just put out some new hardware, i'd be interested

SiliconAddict
Feb 10, 2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Agreed it's pretty outrageous that new buyers have to pay $19 to get the programs they were "promised" back in Jan.


"promised" to ship in February. Note the detail called: February. Get a grip and deal with it its $19 if you couldn't hold off until then tough. :rolleyes:

wdlove
Feb 10, 2004, 11:39 AM
This will be another great program to look forward to with my new Power Mac G5. Hopefully I can by Fall.

jeffgarden
Feb 10, 2004, 11:40 AM
I ordered my powerbook last thursday and the tracking says it'll be here this Thursday. You think i'll get iLife '04 with it ?

P-Worm
Feb 10, 2004, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
"promised" to ship in February. Note the detail called: February. Get a grip and deal with it its $19 if you couldn't hold off until then tough. :rolleyes:

Although it is only $19, that's still almost half the price of iLife! :eek:

I'm a little dissapointed it took this long, but what can you do. I didn't buy a computer, so I didn't get hurt, but whatever.

P-Worm

gwuMACaddict
Feb 10, 2004, 12:05 PM
sweeeeet, buy iLife for $2999.00, get a new dual G5 FREE!!!

WHAT A DEAL! I'M GONNA ORDER MINE RIGHT NOW!!

:D

nslyax
Feb 10, 2004, 12:05 PM
Ok, here's my question though.

The lowest end education ibook only has a CD-rom, but Garageband is on the ilife DVD. So is there some exception with Garageband being on CDs in this case? Or can the CD-rom ibook simply not use Garageband?

coolsoldier
Feb 10, 2004, 12:09 PM
Now the real question -- will they ship with the next (10.4) version of the OS?

The iApps have been included in each OS release, and in general, have been used as selling points perhaps as much as the OS itself. Not to mention that OS upgrades almost always break the existing iApps. If they don't include an iTunes/iMovie/iPhoto with the next OS, they might need to come up with a few extra selling points.

jared_kipe
Feb 10, 2004, 12:20 PM
I bought a refreshed eMac from an Apple store a week ago for my girl friend. It only had a cdrom in it, but I was going to swap out a cd-rw drive anyway. So paying $500 was not a bad deal with a student discount on top of it. To my surprize it had both Panther and Jaguar disks in it, and a copy of iLife '04. Panther wasn't loaded on though, they were upgrade disks, so I put those on. I was puzzled oh how to install the DVD iLife on a dvdrom-less machine. I just made an image of it in diskutility with my powerbook and transfered it on over. Mount and install.

On a side note. The education iBook with a cd-rom is a rip off. You get half the memory of the upgrade, and you don't get a combo. Plain and simple, get the extra memory for another $50 and a combo drive for FREE if you do the upgrade. But if you've already bought... so sorry.

Spizzo
Feb 10, 2004, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by jeffgarden
I ordered my powerbook last thursday and the tracking says it'll be here this Thursday. You think i'll get iLife '04 with it ?

I ordered my powerbook last thursday too. Just got it yesterday, and it did come with iLife.

Doctor Q
Feb 10, 2004, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by coolsoldier
The iApps have been included in each OS release...Except for iDVD. I see that you know this, since you mention iTunes/iMovie/iPhoto, but I don't want others to be confused. There have been complaints about iDVD's exclusion in Panther, so I'd expect it to be excluded again, even if iTunes/iMovie/iPhoto are included. Depending on who you ask, iDVD was excluded either because it was too big or because it didn't apply to all users since it depends on hardware. So to add to your question, would we expect GarageBand to be included if iTunes/iMovie/iPhoto are included, or is there a reason it wouldn't be treated as part of the package for the next major O.S. version?

noel4r
Feb 10, 2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Localcelebrity
great, now if they could just put out some new hardware, i'd be interested

Yup, no wonder the sales of iMac and eMac are lagging. I had 2K set aside for a new Apple at the beginning of the year, I waited as long as I could but no new hardware was announced so I got myself a widescreen TV instead. Oh well, maybe next year, a big maybe........

Le Big Mac
Feb 10, 2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
"promised" to ship in February. Note the detail called: February. Get a grip and deal with it its $19 if you couldn't hold off until then tough. :rolleyes:

Well, it's a non-issue for me since I didn't buy. But wasn't Jobs' statement that "all new macs will ship with ilife04" as of Jan. 6? I understand why machines in inventory wouldn't have it preloaded. I'm just taking issue with Apple charging purchasers of "old" machines $19 to get software that's supposed to be included.

If Jobs' statement was "all new macs sold after Feb. 5", then disregard the above.

u2mr2os2
Feb 10, 2004, 02:50 PM
Prior to iLife '04, only iDVD was a for pay item. This led people without a Superdrive to say "iLife is free" and "OS X includes iLife", which as not technically true. It may have included iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie in the install only because they were a free download anyway. This was further confused by people who bought new Macs and assumed that everything they got in the box was what came with OS X.

Post iLife '04, only iTunes is a free download, and should be the only thing that might come in the OS X installation itself in the next release. It seems quite clear to me that OS X 10.4 will not come with "free" iMovie and iPhoto. iDVD has always been a cost item, and GarageBand is a new for pay item.

What seems to be confusing the issue quite a bit is Apple making statements like "iLife is included with all new Macs". It says nothing about upgrades. But I blame most customers for mis-interpreting this to mean that they somehow get iLife upgrades for free. There is no doubt that if MS Office were "included with every new Mac" (not the trial version) that everyone would understand that this would not include upgrades. Why is the inclusion of the initial copy of iLife with a new Mac any different?

The other confusion is people labeling "freely downloadable" apps as "included" in OS X. Cost wise, this is effectively true, but this gives the mistaken idea that those apps should always be included in OS X. Well, they're not included, and they now cost money. The versions prior to '04 were essentially in an extended promotional period. I'm hoping the additional revenue from now charging for such upgrades will allow them to lower hardware prices to entice more buyers.

Ramza
Feb 10, 2004, 03:26 PM
I've got a question regarding new macs and iLife '04...

I bought an iBook g4 2 weeks ago, and it didn't have iLife '04 with it. How do I get a copy without paying the full price? Mine SHOULD have shipped with it...

Ja Di ksw
Feb 10, 2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by nslyax
Ok, here's my question though.

The lowest end education ibook only has a CD-rom, but Garageband is on the ilife DVD. So is there some exception with Garageband being on CDs in this case? Or can the CD-rom ibook simply not use Garageband?

When my friend got her pb, it came with two iLife's, one cd and one dvd, in case you didn't have a dvd

jared_kipe
Feb 10, 2004, 04:47 PM
The cd only includes iTunes, iMovie, and iPhoto. The dvd has all of those and the iDVD and Garageband apps. There is no CD only version of those two apps. You will need to make an image of the dvd with another computer or use an external dvd drive to use the iDVD and Garageband apps.

nslyax
Feb 10, 2004, 04:48 PM
First let me clarify myself. As I understand it, ilife includes a CD and a DVD. The DVD includes all 5 apps, and the CD only itunes, iphoto, and imovie, so you can at least have those three even without a DVD-rom. My question is why Apple says Garageband is included on the cd-rom only edu ibook, if you need a DVD-rom to install it.

Second, no I am not buying the low end ibook. I have a G3 800 14" and have no plans to upgrade until probably the second generation of G5 PowerBook in at east 18 months.

coolsoldier
Feb 10, 2004, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by u2mr2os2
The other confusion is people labeling "freely downloadable" apps as "included" in OS X.

If this is not true, Apple certainly furthers the misconception by including them in the "New Features" list on the OS X page.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/

Doctor Q
Feb 10, 2004, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by nslyax
My question is why Apple says Garageband is included on the cd-rom only edu ibook, if you need a DVD-rom to install it.How big is GarageBand? Does it even fit on a CD-ROM?

By the way, thanks for the nice explanation, u2mr2os2.

ClimbingTheLog
Feb 10, 2004, 10:40 PM
So who wants to lay bets on what will be on the 10.4 CD?

I'm guessing iPhoto 3, iTunes 4 and iMovie 4, no iDVD or GarageBand.

Oh, and Apple I'll buy iLife every year if you support my external drive. I got my mac before you were selling DVD-R's, knuckleheads. I'm not going to buy a new mac just for iDVD, but I will buy iLife for it.

DrEasy
Feb 11, 2004, 01:33 AM
I ordered my iBook on January 24th, which was the day iLife 04 was supposed to start shipping. But it wasn't included when I received it. Is there a way to avoid paying the $19 for shipping? If I buy some other software, can I ask for iLife 04 to be shipped with it for free? I am thinking of buying Office for Mac, is there a way to buy it from the Apple Web site and have iLife 04 shipped with it for free? If I drive to an Apple Store with a coupon, will I get the DVD for free? What if I buy something there?

(LOL I'm cracking myself up trying to come up with all sorts of schemes) All I'm asking is: is there ANY way I can get avoid paying the $19 considering I delayed my iBook purchase till the official shipping day for iLife 04 and still didn't get it? Thanks!

Caustic Saint
Feb 11, 2004, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by DrEasy
All I'm asking is: is there ANY way I can get avoid paying the $19 considering I delayed my iBook purchase till the official shipping day for iLife 04 and still didn't get it? Thanks!
I've been asking the same thing. I bought my iBook G4 at the Ginza store on 21 January - no iLife '04. I go back to the store two days later to pick up a cable and what do I see - iLife '04 boxes everywhere.

I ask what the deal is on my getting one since I'd just bought my computer two days prior. "Sure," they tell me, "you can have it today if you spend 6,000yen. Otherwise you'll have to order it online through the up-to-date plan for 2,500yen."

Thanks a bunch guys. Great service on that one. :rolleyes:

jeffgarden
Feb 11, 2004, 09:59 AM
hi remember me ? the guy who ordered a powerbook last thursday and was scheduled to get it this thursday ?

well it came today and it has iLife 04 on it : )

cctoronto
Mar 8, 2004, 11:02 PM
So here's my curiosity:

I'm fairly confident that my unit will have iLife 2.0...

However, the question I have is will iDVD 2.0 work with an external DVD burner??

I understand that with the original version of iDVD, would only work with a built-in SuperDrive...

I cannot wait for my switch to be completed!

I am so done with the PC...

:D

rt_brained
Mar 9, 2004, 04:49 PM
Apple's online store is now promoting that iLife '04 is now shipping with all new macs.Dang! They ran out folks. I just ordered a copy of iLife '04 and it did not come with a new Mac.