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arn
Jun 10, 2002, 07:35 PM
eWeek reports (http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=701&a=27903,00.asp) that Apple seems to be getting serious about marketing and sales for educational markets, after previous "missteps" in the market in the recent past:

According to a companywide memo issued by Apple CEO Steve Jobs, the Cupertino, Calif., company is combining its education sales and marketing teams into one education business unit that numbers more than 750.

teabgs
Jun 10, 2002, 09:20 PM
I think this is another piece of the puzzle to get the market share up that will prove good. I also hope it means after MWNY BIG education discounts will roll out since Im a student and need a new mac ASAP (after MW of course..):D

billiam0878
Jun 10, 2002, 11:37 PM
While they are refocusing on education, they should really consider lowering the educational pricing on the eMac.

Bill

mmmdreg
Jun 11, 2002, 06:55 AM
Good news...Macs seem to be dissapearing these days at schools around Australia...by Dells and other stuff that are always being repaired...I mean, computer technicians wouldn't have been invented if it wasn't for PC's..

j763
Jun 11, 2002, 07:39 AM
mmmdreg, the IT services ppl at our school (all wintels apart from me :) ) were criticising my mac so I said "well, if the school used macs you wouldn't have a job would you". resonse: silence...

eyelikeart
Jun 11, 2002, 08:42 AM
I honestly feel that education is what's going to make Apple a bigtime contender. There was some criticism in the past about their moves, but I am convinced by doing this alone that they are guaranteeing themselves to increase their marketshare.

Dunepilot
Jun 11, 2002, 09:06 AM
The only thing is that it seems to be easier for Windows users to set up an easy-to-administer network via the multiple server offerings of Microsoft.

For my old school's Mac network we had to turn to a third-party solution in the form of MacAdministrator to provide file serving via a reasonably-secure login procedure and provision of personal folders and application restrictions, remote shutdown/restart of clients etc.

Now, MacAdministrator (by Hi-Resolution) is no going to OS X any time soon, being stuck in OS 9 land, but they currently support some very large installations in the US. It would make sense for Apple to look into buying Hi-Resolution, or if not, to give them better info on low-level aspects of the OS. I've spent a day with the chief technician of the company and he was very unhappy about the amount that Apple would give away to them as the pre-OS X updates rolled out of the door. Obviously this shouldn't be such a problem with the new open source elements of of OS X, but Apple really needs to give a lot of support to companies like Hi-Resolution if they hope to capture the educational market again.

Schools need a simple product to arbitrate between a server that provides the aforementioned features and also supports machines running OS X as well as those numerous early iMacs running OS 9 dotted throughout education establishments.

If they get this right, they could have the whole thing sewn up.

Dunepilot
Jun 11, 2002, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by j763
mmmdreg, the IT services ppl at our school (all wintels apart from me :) ) were criticising my mac so I said "well, if the school used macs you wouldn't have a job would you". resonse: silence...

I'm proud of you :)

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 01:32 PM
I'm in higher Ed, so I would love to see Apple be more aggressive wiht pricing and special offers.

No more Dells...please!:D

ShaolinMiddleFinger
Jun 11, 2002, 01:35 PM
It's kind of late for Apple to be doing this. The Department of Education in my state is slowly switching to Dells.

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
It's kind of late for Apple to be doing this. The Department of Education in my state is slowly switching to Dells.

Yeah, the DoE in Hawai'i is kind of bassackwards...my Dad worked there for about 5 years or so.

I only saw PCs where he worked, so I'm not surprised…although there were still Macs in the schools when I went there.

robbyd
Jun 11, 2002, 03:17 PM
the reason that alot of schools are changing from Macs to Pc is because only a select few resellers can sell macs to education. that is why the company i work for now sells Pcs to the education field. i am sure for a fact that if we could sell Macs to education departments a whole lot of school districts around the seattle area would be running macs.. we set it all up and do everything for the school. im not sure if apple does that with thier clients or not..

DavPeanut
Jun 11, 2002, 03:49 PM
At my school, we have a problem. We have all these macs, but we can't get new ones because the school wants to run AtEase on all the macs. It can't run on OS 9 or X so they won't buy new macs. They don't want students being able to mess up the computers, though I already know how to get past the stupid thing (AtEase). The new computers at my school tend to be peecee's (Dells to be exact) :mad:. I know that Apple has Remote Desktop, but does it work below OS X? Also, what apple needs is a machine like the eMac, but smaller and a LOT cheaper. The peecee's have prices so low, many schools seem to just go for those, even though they are bug-riden and stupid and are peices of @#$%. Why the heck doesn't apple just sell the original iMac at a really low price?

P.S. It's my birthday today.

robbyd
Jun 11, 2002, 03:52 PM
geeze, its your birthday and you are sitting on a computer?? that sucks..

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by DavPeanut
At my school, we have a problem. We have all these macs, but we can't get new ones because the school wants to run AtEase on all the macs. It can't run on OS 9 or X so they won't buy new macs. They don't want students being able to mess up the computers, though I already know how to get past the stupid thing (AtEase). The new computers at my school tend to be peecee's (Dells to be exact) :mad:. I know that Apple has Remote Desktop, but does it work below OS X? Also, what apple needs is a machine like the eMac, but smaller and a LOT cheaper. The peecee's have prices so low, many schools seem to just go for those, even though they are bug-riden and stupid and are peices of @#$%. Why the heck doesn't apple just sell the original iMac at a really low price?

P.S. It's my birthday today.

Tell them to run OnGuard if they want to move to 9. OS X will be secure enough with the permissions that are built in and a little reimaging every so often with Apple Software Restore.

ARD needs to be administered from an OS X, but runs on client machines back to 8.6, I believe.

Ed buyers need to look past the initial purchase price of the machine. The overall upkeep costs and frequent upgrades needed on the PCs makes them much less attractive in the long run. This kind of shortsightedness really pisses me off.:mad:

DavPeanut
Jun 11, 2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by robbyd
geeze, its your birthday and you are sitting on a computer?? that sucks..

Dude, its fun. I wouldn't even come here if I didn't think it was fun. I know. I know. I'm a geek.

And a Nerd.:D

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by DavPeanut
Dude, its fun. I wouldn't even come here if I didn't think it was fun. I know. I know. I'm a geek.

And a Nerd.:D

Welcome to the club!:D

teabgs
Jun 11, 2002, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Welcome to the club!:D

Yeah... RowNerd can tell you all you'd ever want to know about programming and give you witty retorts with words that havent been used since 1897...;)

that is, unless he's too busy cuddling with jello or doing his homework (the homework part gets this thread back on track)

NOOCH

RowNerd can make us a graph of the prices of the high end Towers every time they were released since SJ got back to Apple...then he can interpolate the data to hypothesize on the probability of the education discount of the new towers due out at MWNY.

:p

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by teabgs
Yeah... RowNerd can tell you all you'd ever want to know about programming and give you witty retorts with words that havent been used since 1897...;)

that is, unless he's too busy cuddling with jello or doing his homework (the homework part gets this thread back on track)

NOOCH

RowNerd can make us a graph of the prices of the high end Towers every time they were released since SJ got back to Apple...then he can interpolate the data to hypothesize on the probability of the education discount of the new towers due out at MWNY.

:p

Homework is for non-nerds...a true nerd doesn't even study and still gets straight A's...why do you think I'm on here so much.:eek:

And I don't really know much programming, ask mc68k about that.

teabgs
Jun 11, 2002, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Homework is for non-nerds...a true nerd doesn't even study and still gets straight A's...why do you think I'm on here so much.:eek:

And I don't really know much programming, ask mc68k about that.

Fine RowNerd you have a quasi-point.

:rolleyes:

but the question is: Where's the graph?

NOOCH

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by teabgs
Fine RowNerd you have a quasi-point.

:rolleyes:

but the question is: Where's the graph?

NOOCH

No graph for you!

teabgs
Jun 11, 2002, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


No graph for you!

Look Nerdboy...I'm gonna give you an offer you cant refuse...

If you make this graph, I'll make you some cookies.

If you dont, I'll send winky after you after giving him some laxatives....he he he..ewwwwww:eek:

NOOCH

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 09:58 PM
I refuse to divert this thread any further.

If you seek recourse you may contact me via PM.:p

teabgs
Jun 11, 2002, 10:23 PM
so now that RowNerd's outta the way I pose an idea...


I think apple should offer school a HUGE discount so that they'll setup Mac labs instead of Dell labs. Even if they take a hit initially....cause then schools will realize the power of X and never be able to part with it....then each year apple will take sales away from Dell my millions....

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 10:43 PM
You don't get rid of me that easily.:p

I think this is a great idea, and I'm sure that most people in Ed think the same way...but I don't think Apple thinks is a great idea.

Right now it seems that they are looking to maintain a strong profit margin on their products. And I doubt they want to get into a price war with Dell, who will beat them every time.

I hope that as their market share increases (which it's hopefullly doing) they should be able to reduce prices and still maintain healthy profits.:)

teabgs
Jun 11, 2002, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
You don't get rid of me that easily.:p

I think this is a great idea, and I'm sure that most people in Ed think the same way...but I don't think Apple thinks is a great idea.

Right now it seems that they are looking to maintain a strong profit margin on their products. And I doubt they want to get into a price war with Dell, who will beat them every time.

I hope that as their market share increases (which it's hopefullly doing) they should be able to reduce prices and still maintain healthy profits.:)

they dont need to get into a price war...just give schools a bigger discount....I know thats whymy schools new 3D animation lab will be PC's which will replace the SGI's....they gave a good deal...

Rower_CPU
Jun 11, 2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by teabgs
they dont need to get into a price war...just give schools a bigger discount....I know thats whymy schools new 3D animation lab will be PC's which will replace the SGI's....they gave a good deal...

I'm not saying Apple will start the price war, but I know Dell will.

If Apple makes sweeping price cuts, and Dell sees their bottom line start to shrink they're gonna slash prices in a heart beat. It's easy to do that on cheaply made PCs using cheap parts.:rolleyes:

Buggy
Jun 12, 2002, 01:16 PM
Forget the third party sercurity software.

OSX users is very secure.

I have just changed 5 of my machines to OSX since they went to 10.1.5 (Anything before this does not fully support AFP on an NT server).

It has been great. OSX is going to be great for education.

So Far I have created different profiles for different languages.

Login and you get, Korean, chinese, french, ...... This is excellent for a languages department.... On system, one machine, one set of apps, but can be used by MANY people.

For those thinking that education buys cheap PCs that you see advertized in the local paper, you are wrong (well in our district anyways) We buy PCs that are buisness level, not whatever pile of cheap parts that could be thrown together. THese machines cost the same as an eMac.

The current problem is the perception of the machines. The IT managers no nothing about OS9.... however they are VERY curious about OSX.

OSX is gogin to be the answer for eduaction.

DavPeanut
Jun 12, 2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by teabgs


Yeah... RowNerd can tell you all you'd ever want to know about programming and give you witty retorts with words that havent been used since 1897...;)

that is, unless he's too busy cuddling with jello or doing his homework (the homework part gets this thread back on track)

NOOCH

soak you head dumb@$$

DavPeanut
Jun 12, 2002, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Homework is for non-nerds...a true nerd doesn't even study and still gets straight A's...why do you think I'm on here so much.:eek:

And I don't really know much programming, ask mc68k about that.

Thats right. I got 800 on SAT-M. Thanx Rower_CPU

teabgs
Jun 12, 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by DavPeanut

soak you head dumb@$$

You got an 800 on the math eh? Now go learn some grammer..."soak you head....it's soak YOUR head".

And anyway thats stupid.

Also, it was a pointless posts that just wasted people's time. They dont want to hear stupid crap from some kid who thinks he's smarter then everyone else.

Stop spending so much time on a computer while your in high school and go make some friends you scrawney little dork.

Don't come running over here and throw out crap like that when you don't know who you're talking to. I know people...Alpha, Eye, Winky, Mischief...This boy needs a smackdown!

Break out the Slugger!

and FYI, I was joking around with Rower and he knows whats up.....

Go do your homework

Rower_CPU
Jun 12, 2002, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by DavPeanut
Thats right. I got 800 on SAT-M. Thanx Rower_CPU

Ummm, 'kay...

I got a 670 M and 770 V...1440 total...

When you take your GREs let me know.;)

teabgs
Jun 12, 2002, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Ummm, 'kay...

I got a 670 M and 770 V...1440 total...

When you take your GREs let me know.;)

hehehehe...yeah....you tell dave small nuts whats up! ;)



psssst...I think he likes you....;)

Rower_CPU
Jun 13, 2002, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by teabgs
hehehehe...yeah....you tell dave small nuts whats up! ;)

psssst...I think he likes you....;)

He certainly was quick to my defense...:p

teabgs
Jun 13, 2002, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


He certainly was quick to my defense...:p


:eek:

what do you think jello will do if he finds out him trying to steal you....?

he he he ;)

Rower_CPU
Jun 13, 2002, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by teabgs
:eek:

what do you think jello will do if he finds out him trying to steal you....?

he he he ;)

Probably the same thing eye' did when he found you with Winky...:eek: :p :rolleyes:

teabgs
Jun 13, 2002, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Probably the same thing eye' did when he found you with Winky...:eek: :p :rolleyes:


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

:p

OH no you didn't....

;)

ok, let's not get this thread off topic, just had to acknowledge your comedic tendencies...

Rower_CPU
Jun 13, 2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by teabgs
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

:p

OH no you didn't....

;)

ok, let's not get this thread off topic, just had to acknowledge your comedic tendencies...

Alright...we'll call it a truce...for now.:p

Dunepilot
Jun 13, 2002, 01:11 PM
Macrumors has gone a bit crazy over the last day or so - all these posts no longer make any sense to me, and there seems to be a persistent gay undercurrent that seems to have come out of nowhere!!

The Dunepilot raises one eyebrow wryly, confused. :confused:

[from the way I wrote that I'm starting to wonder if I'm possessed by the Bender!]

Rower_CPU
Jun 13, 2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Dunepilot
Macrumors has gone a bit crazy over the last day or so - all these posts no longer make any sense to me, and there seems to be a persistent gay undercurrent that seems to have come out of nowhere!!

The Dunepilot raises one eyebrow wryly, confused. :confused:

[from the way I wrote that I'm starting to wonder if I'm possessed by the Bender!]

Nothing new here...just a little of the Community Discussion leaking out into other threads.

I'd be more worried about referring to myself in the third person than anything else.;) :p

Dunepilot
Jun 13, 2002, 07:56 PM
<------the Dunepilot agrees.

ahem, yes, I agree. Sorry.....